How could you do this to AST?

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Because if you were playing Diurnal, or even AST itself, properly, it wouldn't be? My friend mains AST and is pretty damn good at it. Wanna know what virtually 99% of her MP goes into? Malefic/Gravity. In dungeons, she barely even looks at my HP bar and in raids/trials, ED and Star do almost all the work with the occasional regen if needed. There is no denying Diurnal is simply better.

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We can carry on arguing this is better than that, oh not it's not, oh yes it is etc. Whatever your feelings about the current situation, we're faced with incoming changes. No idea of course about the details, which is where the devil resides so the wise saying goes.
Faced many class adjustments in different games over the years. It comes down to a couple of choices when these changes happen - stop playing the class/game or adapt to the changes.

That's not to say the forums should be quiet when these changes are introduced. Constructive feedback will help with anything new - with the emphasis on constructive. We will just have to wait and see.

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Originally Posted by IceBlueNinja

I bet as I said like (10 times+ ) if they didnt let dirunal regens work with whm regens, then regens would not be so overrated as it always is (insert a sephiroth best villian of all ff here which aint really true).

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There are extremely few fights where both Medica II and AspHelios are required to be active at the same time. Diurnal + SCH would still remain the best healing comp either way.

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Originally Posted by IceBlueNinja

I hope and will laugh if SE does force the need to have 1 barrier and 1 healer and does make mechs be heavy on shield so that the all so mighty regens become incompetent

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You realize in this scenario the shield healers absolutely require regens and pure heals from their co-heal to top the party back to full for the next raidwide?

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Because if you were playing Diurnal, or even AST itself, properly, it wouldn't be?

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I think he proved more than one time he doesn't so the debate is useless.

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Originally Posted by IceBlueNinja

I hope and will laugh if SE does force the need to have 1 barrier and 1 healer and does make mechs be heavy on shield so that the all so mighty regens become incompetent.

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Except when they do implement this, you will see even the mighty shield healers in average majority *wink wink*... also complaining how hard to heal through those mech :rolleyes: Also geezz...quite a sentiment you have against regen healers there, don’t you think so?

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Originally Posted by IceBlueNinja

but with ast, why do I need you to do regens too when I can already do it , I like you to apply migitation(in noct) then ill top off the remaining damage with regens of my own (plentary + med 2 or rapture everyone is full hp again oh and asylum if needs be too which is to me better than cu because it +10% heal increase for any other class who has heals where as ast is stuck in one place and its bye if its move even though we kept that specific sect ability and lose the other) then we both can get back to our happy dpsing.

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Except everything you’ve mentioned here besides [Asylum] requires a non-dps GCD to execute :rolleyes: in fact, in those situations you’ve mentioned, you may not even need to go plenary med II because the AST can practically heal everything without losing personal DPS & you losing your glare casts or potentially clipping the cast (woops :p)

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Originally Posted by IceBlueNinja

if they didnt let dirunal regens work with whm regens, then regens would not be so overrated as it always is.

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Except (again..) shields will still be inferior. :rolleyes:
SCH & Noct AST will still choose to Broil/Malefic than to shield as long as the encounter doesn’t warrant shield usage to survive. That’s just how majority of encounters in the game works.
Pretty soon too, you’ll see WHM & AST catfighting for who’s getting to heal.

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Originally Posted by KDSilver

I think he proved more than one time he doesn't so the debate is useless.

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I want my forum post medals! How about that!? ;)

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Originally Posted by Teraluna

We can carry on arguing this is better than that, oh not it's not, oh yes it is etc. Whatever your feelings about the current situation, we're faced with incoming changes. No idea of course about the details, which is where the devil resides so the wise saying goes.
Faced many class adjustments in different games over the years. It comes down to a couple of choices when these changes happen - stop playing the class/game or adapt to the changes.

That's not to say the forums should be quiet when these changes are introduced. Constructive feedback will help with anything new - with the emphasis on constructive. We will just have to wait and see.

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Meh these regens lover can run their mouth al they want, you know at the end of the days all these regen lovers need a game to do their job for them. regen = free auto heal and so these regen lovers are too lazy to do their own job thus why they hate us shield healers, we apparently are more experienced and give our self a challenge. Thanks though for your input rather than being more nice they wanna just be toxic fan boys and girls and think they winning money or something for a game that is years old.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Except when they do implement this, you will see even the mighty shield healers in average majority *wink wink*... also complaining how hard to heal through those mech :rolleyes: Also geezz...quite a sentiment you have against regen healers there, don’t you think so?

Except everything you’ve mentioned here besides [Asylum] requires a non-dps GCD to execute :rolleyes: in fact, in those situations you’ve mentioned, you may not even need to go plenary med II because the AST can practically heal everything without losing personal DPS & you losing your glare casts or potentially clipping the cast (woops :p)


Except (again..) shields will still be inferior. :rolleyes:
SCH & Noct AST will still choose to Broil/Malefic than to shield as long as the encounter doesn’t warrant shield usage to survive. That’s just how majority of encounters in the game works.
Pretty soon too, you’ll see WHM & AST catfighting for who’s getting to heal.

I want my forum post medals! How about that!? ;)

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Might watch what you type about wink wink it sounds like harassment, who cares if ast and whm fight about heal I wont be playing either of them when sage come out so their problem if they wanna do that, By rare when I say I play whm I never had no clipping issues of what you claim so lol on that and think its still whack to have too many uncalled for regens. That is not me complaining about the mechs period LMAO. Did I mention anything about mechs, also quite a sentiment you and the regen lovers have towards shield heals dont you think so?. Anything yall say about regens is the same as shielding. If yall see noct stance inferior to dirunal, maybe noct ones see dirunal inferior to dirunal, this is nothing but hypocrisy thing and throws off the fact that people need to respect and see how others feel. You and most may not like the noct stance and prefer dirunal it is the same concept to us noct ones. I am sure all you dirunal lovers will be doing the same or feeling the same exact treatment if dirunal was picked to be gotten rid of instead of noct then will do everything in your power to hope it does not go that way. Noct can still give 3 regens via noct intersection, netrual helios/aspected anyways so again how is noct so inferior lol.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Because if you were playing Diurnal, or even AST itself, properly, it wouldn't be? My friend mains AST and is pretty damn good at it. Wanna know what virtually 99% of her MP goes into? Malefic/Gravity. In dungeons, she barely even looks at my HP bar and in raids/trials, ED and Star do almost all the work with the occasional regen if needed. There is no denying Diurnal is simply better.

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Since you do not ever seem to read carefully I dont have mp issues in noct stance period. I may do on dirunal but so what, matter of play style so me having no mp issues in noct since most of yall love to mention how it uses up more mp is me playing the class properly. You and these regen healers think yall so veteran but needs the game to auto heal for you aka regen and call yall selfs veteran healers hahaha ya. Who cares about friend, speak for yourself and not for others, some friend you are having said friend in a problem that do not even concern her/him wow.

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Originally Posted by ZedxKayn

I'm just saying that cause you mentioned using Aspected Helios to heal a tank, which is not a good thing to do and will make you use more MP than necessary when you complain about MP issues...

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Let me break it down for ya then the mp issue complaint is key word *dirunal * not noct. In dirunal aspected bene and helios are 2 regens which yes you can apply which that dont keep up to me with healing on big trash pulls and you still end up may having to sling a dignity or now have to be flinging none stop benefic 2s where as NOCT, I use aspected benefic with cu, earth star, opposition and celestial intersection. all of this I barely drain mp in NOCT stance and have NO MP issues in NOCT stance and dont have to be using a benefic 2 ,benefic 1 will top off damage for me and trash, still have my 2 dignities to boot which mobs are usually then dead if the dps is great. I do not have MP management issue in noct period than I do in dirunal ok? Now hopefully all the others who tend to read things not cleary and love to use their dry you do not know the kit right, yeah I can again say the same with yall and need game to auto heal for you with regens lmao.

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Originally Posted by KDSilver

I think he proved more than one time he doesn't so the debate is useless.

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I think I proved enough it too that you and all you regens lovers do not play it right too cause you need game to auto heal for you because you cant do the task yourself^^

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Originally Posted by IceBlueNinja

Let me break it down for ya then the mp issue complaint is key word *dirunal * not noct. In dirunal aspected bene and helios are 2 regens which yes you can apply which that dont keep up to me with healing on big trash pulls and you still end up may having to sling a dignity or now have to be flinging none stop benefic 2s where as NOCT, I use aspected benefic with cu, earth star, opposition and celestial intersection.

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That's a fair point. It's a shame Diurnal doesn't have CU, Star, CO or Celestial intersection.

Btw you should probably take Noct Celestial intersection off your bars. It has a filthy Regen tied to it and you might get contaminated.