Stop rewarding tanks/healers! We all put in the same effort.

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Originally Posted by Katsuragi_

Be that as it may, it's been my understanding that the issues lie with the classes themselves and it surely should be addressed if that is the case (perhaps a loss of identity that spilled over their kit would be a way to put it), but not with the tanking role in itself.
I don't think I've heard a single Paladin complain yet. But sure I'm not advocating that everyone should just go Paladin. They have the other two for a reason.

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I'd somewhat disagree that's the case (as in the issues only lie within the classes themselves; of course they do have glaring issues with identity but that's not everything), but then again my expectation of what tanking should be like to be fun is different than other people.
Honestly, leveling my Paladin has been quite boring. The only reason I'm trying to level it is so I have a tank at 70 for my FC.
Paladins are in the best spot right now, but I'd argue underlying issues surrounding tanks themselves still remain.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

How so? I am only 53 on WHM so I am not aware of how the level 70 skillset balances, but it looks to me that without using thin air pretty liberally, you will be out of MP pretty easily?

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The combo of Lucid Dreaming and Thin Air keeps us pretty well off.

Popping them in succession allows us to gain our MP back while not spending any, which makes for great healing or even dps (i.e spamming holy on multi-mob trash pulls, or mass aoe healing).

I do occasionally come close to going dry in some of the EX fights, but only if the party is failing at mechanics and taking excessive unnecessary damage or if my healing partner is doing much less healing.

Edit: Totally forgot to mention Assize; another of our MP/Healing tools in our kit.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

It's actually weird getting on AST and remembering I have to care about mana now.

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I'm leveling AST now and you're right. It's weird. I find myself using Ewer more than I remember having to prior to SB.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

How so? I am only 53 on WHM so I am not aware of how the level 70 skillset balances, but it looks to me that without using thin air pretty liberally, you will be out of MP pretty easily?

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Even though I'm supposed to be avoiding WHM in PVE due to my annoyance at the changes, it's totally true about MP. Thin Air comes up enough to be used a lot, Assize comes up more than it used to even if you actively ignore the annoying lilies and now it's always useful (since Cleric Stance doesn't matter), and at low level you now get the MP refresh ability earlier than before. Unless you're sitting on cooldowns there's no reason to ever run out of MP. It will probably be nerfed at some point. AST is in a nice spot with MP where it's strong but does require some basic management occasionally which is probably more realistic.

Im a tank and I enjoy what I do. I started out as a WHM byt found being a healer in this game oddly stressful, I tried DPS but found it boring. They put in these rewards for tanks and healers because they are the lowest population's in the game while DPS players are over half the player base and thats true for most MMOs. DPS are extremely common and because of that they are considered the Burger King Workers of the game. Also it really goes to show how much of a wimp you are because you openly said you wont even be looking at the reply's.

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Originally Posted by Aramina

The difference that people (I think) are referring to is internal vs. external stressors. If mobs are running willy nilly, the blame will (generally) fall straight on the tank. If people are dying, the blame will (generally) fall straight on the healer. If DPS is low you can say "damage is low" but without a parser you can't say which (or both) is low so it is not personal, you can just assume it's that OTHER guy that is bad.

Does that make sense?

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Absolutely and this is why being against parsers is illogical.
Problem is: even with a parser, it takes knowedge, most of the community here lacks, to properly interpret the data. You can't just look at the overall DPS/damage done and draw conclusions solely from that. Most certainly not if you are trying to be helpful towards the DPS in question.

SE probably saw the parser thing as a no win scenario and opted for the lesser of 2 evils.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

How so? I am only 53 on WHM so I am not aware of how the level 70 skillset balances, but it looks to me that without using thin air pretty liberally, you will be out of MP pretty easily?

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Naah. You have 3 regen skills. And yes, you should use ex-machina very liberally. Like... on cooldown (unless too close to full). Only reason not to do that would be if a heavy AoE heal phase is imminent.

Only way to run out is hardcore holy/AoE heal spam.

I had to laugh at the original post.

S/he's so soft that they're unwilling to listen to feedback but they still expect their opinion to be taken seriously.

Nobody should have humored the OP with a serious response.

This actually has nothing to do with rewarding tanks and healers over dps, this is a numbers and community problem. While this varies person to person, dps roles are generally more fun to play with less risk if you mess up. Tanks and healers have less room for error and depending on who you ask aren't as fun or rewarding to play. Because of this, dps will always outnumber tanks and healers. The incentive is there to encourage them to play a's the less popular role. I'm not saying dps don't deserve the rewards, but they are lower priority in comparison to tanks and healers for the above reasons.

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Originally Posted by Vespar

This applies mostly to tanks, but on occasion healers.
Some of us generally dislike the way tank and healer roles play. I dont think its fair to constantly reward those roles with bonus items (ie: cracked clusters, mounts, gil,etc.)

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Nop, I'm the one getting harrased as a healer when DPSs die out of stupidity (like not moving from AOE to do more DPS), I'm putting more effort in it than them considering I keep healing them even after that.....most of the time