Worst end game community ever?

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Originally Posted by Lunchable

I promise you eng game is VASTLY different than the casual dungeons you do along the way. Take my word.

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ah well guess i'll find that out when I finally get there haha

It is pretty bad. I've seen it all and more in the game so far. From cursing and belittling other players for trivial mistakes, to shunning ps3 players, to refusing melee players in any party etc. etc. I've played dozens of MMOs starting in '99 with EQ and never seen a worse community of players, even in WoW. I'd like to see SE put a few guys on salary who do nothing but sort through public and group chat and permaban people displaying this toxic behavior. Send a message. Loud and clear. Doing nothing about it is the same as condoning it.

I blame the game's direction.
I'm sorry, but when you build a game entirely around your iLVL and the impact your gear has on your performance this is what you will get. Grind at its finest.
There is no choice: you either have this piece in this slot or you suck and are useless. No matter how good you are at playing this hybrid action-RPG of a game.

I come from nine years on XI (most of them at end-game) and I have seen my fair share of "elitists", jerks and what have you. But seeing this kind of situation when the game is barely 1 month old worries me.

I love what they have done with this game, I enjoy the lore and the setting. But some of the mechanics at work here are terrible and need to be revisited.
I look forward to what they have in mind for the next patches, but I'm hoping they'll take a different turn for the future.

I find it funny that there is this much complaining about the community, I'm guessing none of you ever played FFXI in it's prime.

I do worry about the games long term health with this endgame scene. A lot of people were enjoying duty finder and the games content just fine from 1-49 but at 50 it's like a horror show. The "Fun" comes to an sudden stop. I don't blame people for unsubscribing rather then putting up with it. I don't know if this endgame community is the worst ever but it is the worst I've ever seen in my years of MMO's by far.

The blame is laregly on SE as there are other MMO's with cutscene's inside their dungeons but the griefing of new players isn't nearly as bad as it is here. Most likely because those other MMO's don't let the party continue with the dungeon or lock people outside of bosses just for watching. No idea what SE was thinking. I'd wish they do something about it because while I'm lucky to have a good FC to run with many more players do not and I don't want to see good players having to leave because their not welcomed in their own game.

It just feels like End game content was not thought out at all.

They didn't think about risk vs rewards in dungeons (hence why you get dbags speed farming the storyline dungeons)
They didn't think out the duty finder, giving players more options.
They didn't think about providing a nice solid end game set of armor to players at least start with and work from. It would have been great to allow crafters to make a real decent set of end game starters armor. win win for everyone.

And then there is the awful community of elitist players.

Dude, I feel you. I spent a long time trying to make sure I was well geared before approaching new content and watch videos for the primal battles. But the other day I decide to try Garuda for the first time and mention at the beginning that "it's my first time but I've watched several videos, feel free to offer tips" and someone immediately leaves. Of course that screws people over for trials because you can search for new members once you're in. =/

Fortunately I found a shout group, lied about my 'experience'' and off-tanked the adds to learn the patterns. It sucks, but no one, and I mean no one, wants anyone new. It's terrible.

AF sets are good enough to get into WP (even AK, but new players should do some WP).

The problem is the endless grind that is the farming. Really. Needing to do the same instance more than a dozen times is absurd (and you need to do it about 6 dozen times, per job).

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Originally Posted by Steeled

SE has this noble idea that people are nice, and will behave. They are not. They desperately need to change their stance on bad behavior, separately start rewarding good behavior, and give us some cross server community tools.

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No they don't. Implementing mechanics did nothing for Guild Wars 2, it just made people anti-social. People need to grow up and learn for themselves and that is what's going to happen eventually with this community. Those who can't change will leave and play another game.

I am a tank, I tell my party that it is my 1st time. If my party throws me a temper tantrums, gg, I take the 15m penalty. Have fun waiting for another tank =D

I've run into new players that throw worse hissy fits than any "leetspeedrunner" I've ever come across.

And please be patient with the people running CM who get irritated, it's our 100th run through this week and there's no comparable alternative to farming Philosophy stones. We may get a tad cranky from time to time that we have literally no other choice than to spam this dungeon 1000 times so that we can spam coil 1000 more times. ._.

Seems to be a good amount of people who are endgame but don't like the speedrun go go go method. If on each server, people could form into groups who have these like minded goals, it might help them avoid having to play with the speedy people and the speedy people can pick from the people who like that kinda thing. I'm kinda surprised that the speed runners are using DF to find members instead of using it with their own full party.

Also, I am very curious as to whether Japanese servers have the same problems mentioned in this thread, with their endgame dungeon players too.

Its not even End game, i've been coming up against assholes and morons since before Brayflox (hawkke manor) i think it started for me, after my extra 60 days are up no way am i resubbing, and i thought Guildwars 2 was bad this makes that look like a happy fun time..

It doesn't help that my delay/ping issues makes these dungeons epically harder than they should be..either.

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Originally Posted by Lunchable

Doing palace VIA DUTY FINDER for the story-line.

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Oh my, I feel for you bro.

Our Linkshell has made a point of taking the time to help members through Castrum and Praetorium when they are up to it for the story. We let them have the experience of watching the cutscenes in the environment intended. Some of us take the time to re-experience it and watch the cutscenes as well. No rush.

Why? Because it's worth having someone around who appreciates the game's story, there is something satistfying from mentoring someone new through the content, plus it's an easy/stressless/fun 100 tomestones with friends.

OT: I'm sorry but your name is damn cute.
Lunchables. xD!
http://www.abetterbagofgroceries.com...Lunchables.jpg
But yeah, DF I am getting ass peoples lmao, it's only going to get worse from here.
I have more fun with my FC.

You just got to find the right people to do stuff with Lunchable. I'm on your server by the way so feel free to hit me up if you need help with anything :)

OP if you were on balmung id toss ya a LS/FC invite and we would help ya with endgame.

I feel ashamed sometimes to be a part of the NA community because of their attitude.

Hopefully with time they will either mellow out or opt out of even playing the game.

I'm just waiting for my FC to level up enough to run CM with. In the meantime, I fish and use the DF to gradually run CM, so that when they catch up I can be the best I can be for them.

I've watched the elitism gradually develop. Now it looks like you need to be "geared" with relic or you cant get a CM group.

The problem is charity. The environment doesn't encourage it, doesn't reward it. It is not fertile soil for charity to grow. So evil grows instead.

The selfish elitist snobs who can't bring themselves to be charitable toward someone who doesn't meet their insane standards are evil.

Usually the knucklehead elitist cliques roll out after they burn themselves out, so let them grind won't be long before they steamroll themselves out.

I started end-game this week-end and I don't think it's THAT bad
yes, I had to cut cutscenes for my story (7 people already did it numerous time, I felt like I could watch after in the inn)
But people were nice.

I also aggro'd some monsters and place myself kinda bad one or two times and nobody shouted at me or anything.

Only problem is that nobody explained anything so as a healer, I could just focus on healing but I have NO IDEA of the mechanics in CM (the canon things, the access keys... no clue).
So I just follow and heal

Same for Wander's palace. I had no clue about that big tomberry but nobody was disgusting.
So I feel everything is quick, no talk and no extra fights/exploration.

Everything seems to be speed run but I did not mind, no issue so far

I've noticed that the elitism is prevalent these days; worst ones are the one criticizing others when he's undergeared as well - typical pot calling the kettle black.

I'm running on relic and some AF2+DL gear; I don't see any reason bitching out others when it's CM/AK/Ifrit - these dungeons do not really require a gear check, in particularly when one's self is decked out with sufficient AK/+DL gear. IMHO; if you're doing your stuff correctly - you shouldn't need to worry about others' gears and it's a very much ass move not to help out the new guys or the very least give advice them. If you've been pubbing all day and been getting new guys; and are pretty much sick of it - just back off graciously and tell them that you've had enough and not combust in their faces. There's no reason for being rude.

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That said, if one is new to a dungeon/instance run - you ought to tell. It's also an ass move not to reply when someone asks that.

Garuda/Titan runs however need a gear check - anyone less with DL/AK gear and/or with a white weapon at that should really not attempt them in hopes of getting carried.

While I know everyone has their needs vs time situation going on, I have to agree. Post 50 general community sucks pretty bad. Not everyone mind you, and I have met some swell folks on HM Primals and tomestone runs, but overall, there are way more dirtbags than there are good folks.

The main reason why all our raiding is done in-clan. Dirtbag problem solved ^____^

I was one of those 50's whom reached 50 roughly two weeks after launch, I ran into many dbag players however I also did speed runs. I was a Paladin farming for my Darklight shield, the only shield worth a damn till HM Titan, and it only dropped off the last boss in Wanderer's Palace. I failed so many time on that last boss because DPS couldn't handle keeping the mechanic below 4 or them taking to much damage that I died when attacked by the boss.

In the end I actually unsubbed/stopped playing about 3 days after I hit 50, within the first 3 weeks of launch, due to the fact that there was only two ways for me to get gear which could take upwards of 2+ hours with a high risk of no completion. Personally I think it's the difficulties of some dungeons or mostly group content due to various client optimization issues causing such bad behavior, not to mention the sheer lack of content to keep max level players busy in PvE.

I'm also a PS3 player, so I've had hate against me due to that as well. On another note I did enjoy playing FFXIV during my time playing it but once I figured out I had to spend hours upon hours doing the exact same two dungeons before I could even get into the real "end game" I quit. I'll try FFXIV again once the PS4 client comes out and lots of the issues with the gear grinding wall has been removed by at least adding 3 or 4 more dungeons to get gear from that I can use to start tanking HM Primal fights with.

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Originally Posted by VahnValbosce

No they don't. Implementing mechanics did nothing for Guild Wars 2, it just made people anti-social. People need to grow up and learn for themselves and that is what's going to happen eventually with this community. Those who can't change will leave and play another game.

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You misunderstand.

It's fine if they don't want to reward good behavior, but turning a blind eye to bad behavior only makes things worse.

This is actually not atypical for a MMO, usually the first groups of people to reach end game content are the ones with limtless time on thier hands to do so, that means young people with no job. As the internet has shown us over and over again that demographic is rife with hyper douchebaggery. The only real solution is to pay your sub (if you havent already of course) and wait till the more 'casual' players that have a life/job/family and cant dedicate 20+ hours a week to a single game.

So from what I hear this... Duty Finder on NA region is totally opposite than Duty Finder in JP region then...

In here, they are always polite and respect, and if they plan to make a speed run group, they would shout in town instead.

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Originally Posted by Alise

So from what I hear this... Duty Finder on NA region is totally opposite than Duty Finder in JP region then...

In here, they are always polite and respect, and if they plan to make a speed run group, they would shout in town instead.

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Totally agree.

@OP, Well at least you didn't buy 90 days worth of Crysta before reaching Lv.50 and being exposed to end-game bullshit; wasted $40, I should've just bought GTA 5 lol.

I have had my fair share of experiences on here and 80% of them are horrible experiences with the community. (As mentioned here, http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...sm-intended%29 )

Basically, I agree with you completely, most of the community are negative and rude people.

Yes I'm on a JP server and I never had any issues like you guys mentioned, kind of sad really, but I expected as much since I've seen first hand the kids playing WoW and their incessant shouting, much better on the JP servers, come over - join us :)

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Originally Posted by Litre

Yes I'm on a JP server and I never had any issues like you guys mentioned, kind of sad really, but I expected as much since I've seen first hand the kids playing WoW and their incessant shouting, much better on the JP servers, come over - join us :)

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I hear so that the DF is better on the JP side, only problem is I cant speak a word of Japanese though :( but never mind that. On YouTube a few people who make guides are from EU and play on the JP servers without hassle from time to time.

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Originally Posted by AnkoYaoi

I have had my fair share of experiences on here and 80% of them are horrible experiences with the community. (As mentioned here, http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...sm-intended%29 )

Basically, I agree with you completely, most of the community are negative and rude people.

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I agree +1

I guess i'm lucky, my server, Cactuar, has it's share of a** hats who feel "elite." but it's a fairly small group. I've been farming CM for weeks now, and i'm full darklight and relic weapon, but my FC is completely against douchebaggery, and we find quite a few ppl who are the same. as far as speed runs go, if you're in duty finder, and they try to force you into a speed run, tell them to enjoy being a man down for most of it. enjoy your cutscenes, because they are yours. /shout in revenent's toll is where people who want successful speed runs, get their people. the ones in duty finder, are there because they cant put a group together.

give it time, the clowns will burn themselves out, move onto the next step, or their mom's wont pay their subscription. if you're Free Companyless, check the servers forums page for FC's recruiting and see what they're looking for and transfer when that is available. you never know, maybe one is recruiting on your server as well.

I've been lucky for the most part with DF, but mainly because I was already 50 from 1.0 and did my story quests when many others were doing so. However, when I queue up for CM for example, and there are new people in the party, I generally slow down, forcing the party to also slow down (considering I always queue as WHM ;))

I do believe there's should be an option/toggle to automatically skip cutscenes after the first run, because it gets really annoying having to manually skip them, and while they are great cutscenes, I really don't want to watch them multiple times a day =)

I have to say, after reading these forums I decided to stop doing dungeons for the time being and spare myself the anguish of having to be paired with horrible people in DF. Shout groups are not much better in that the majority all request the same thing - gear being the number one priority (pretty hard to get anything if you have to avoid DF in the first place).

I can't believe that in this day and age this being a product that is created and packaged in Japan (where politeness and tolerance are a way of life) that we have a game that is teaming with people that are absolutely neither.
SE will soon realise that the core make-up of their player base for this game are casual/veteran gamers that have little time to be dealing with the poor attitudes and cyber bullying.

Sooner or later it will tip one way or the other - either the casual crowd will leave through not being able to participate in any endgame content to progress further, or the hardcore bullies will quit through boredom after power gaming their way to the best gear etc.

I sincerely hope for SE's sake that it is the latter.

I don't see myself playing for a long time to come if it stays like this.

Honestly I haven't came across people with bad attitudes in DF. People doing low damage yes, but often that is enough to make some people rage quit.

Worst gaming community is in Perpetuum. I swear that the game were people go after being perm banned from all other mmos. No joking they will try to find out real life information about you just to harass you there as well. Honestly if you are letting people who have no effect on your life what so ever push you around in a game maybe you need to avoid the internet. Harsh I know but it brings out the worst part of some people. Black list them. They have no power over you unless you give it to them. You are the only one in control of your gaming experience. Either stop playing, do something else with in the game, or ignore the idiots. It's not up to SE to make you happy. Get off your butt and make yourself happy. You are the only one that can. Not everyone in DF are evil and horrible people. I've met some total dbags and I have met some great people. You are letting 2 experiences affect how you view the community. That makes you no better then the dbags you complain about.

The main problem with it is when cut scenes happen. They often happen while you are fighting or sneaking past mobs. Castrum has to be the worst at this.

There is a few solutions to this:

* Have cut-scenes not play until after a fight has finished.
* Have boss room enter cut-scenes not play until everyone in the party is inside.
* Don't let any boss fight start while someone is watching a cut-scene.
* Have a little "5 sec countdown until cut-scene" popup in the corner of your screen so you can cancel it before starts.
* An option in the duty finder to sign up to a dungeon with or without cut-scenes.

At the start my FC asks the people if it is their first and we explain to them why we skip the cut-scenes. We have run it a few times with cut-scenes when people have asked us to let them watch it cause it is their first time and they don't want to watch it afterwards in the inn.

PS: Politeness needs to come from both sides. No "F#$K YOU I am going to watch them" and if you want to watch cut-scenes please say so so we know to wait for you and adjust the way we do things so everything goes smoothly. Don't stay quiet and complain if we don't wait for you.

My favorite group that defeated the general dbag was one I joined last week.

There we were, trying to do Praetorium. I had done it weeks ago and was just helping out. On my first run, I was asked to skip CSs and was pretty sad I never got to ride the you-know-what.

We enter as someone already starts arguing for the CS-side before anyone says anything. I was totally with him on that.

But then.... ONE person started acting up like you would expect them to. He wanted us to skip all CS and shut up in general.

This is what happened: I declared that I was just there to help (Healer) same as other people in the group who were forced to skip in their first run. Sidenote: you can't get all CS in your room!
And, I declared I would watch Cutscenes, cause they're epic and hell, why not. Me doing this prompted almost the whole group to do the same, except that one BLM (but what can he do alone?).

In the end...we all got to run the instance as it was meant to be. We were all happy we did and enjoyed the CS very much. This is a Final Fantasy game... the story matters, not everyone wants to grind on mindlessly and sh** on people every time they make a mistake. Heck, you might even enjoy a change of pace and helping that elderly lady cross the street (noob metaphor).


tl;dr There are good people around, I wish you all the best luck in finding them...or me (Sargatanas).

P.S. our dbag in this run had the cutest name... which disturbed me the most about his attitude.