This is why quest markers make the game for 2 year olds

/facepalm....

Sorry, but having to run around and talk to every npc just to see if they have a quest, or having to look up quest locations on a website is just stupid.

I wouldn't mind having a toggle that people who want to make the game more "hardcore" so they can. After all, everybody knows (!) are only for noobs and id-10-ts right?!?!

How do quest markers make anything easier or harder?

they dont, if anything they are pure convenience of NOT having to go check your journal to see where the marker should be

why should i have to go back into my jounral to figure out what mob to talk to when it shows which one wants to talk to my visualy, it just helps, it doesnt hand you a thing

No, I wasn't. They were actual markers for the quest. When I arrived at a marker my char would stop walking and say "You feel comfy in this!". You didn't have to actually walk to the markers for this to happen, I went around a bunch and it still happened +my quest still completed normally. After the quest was complete the markers disappeared.

@Mishakai, you did not read my OP.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

How do quest markers make anything easier or harder?

they dont, if anything they are pure convenience of NOT having to go check your journal to see where the marker should be

why should i have to go back into my jounral to figure out what mob to talk to when it shows which one wants to talk to my visualy, it just helps, it doesnt hand you a thing

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Most of the time it works like that, but sometimes, as shown in my OP, the quest markers go to extremes and show us things we don't need "marked". That's my complaint.

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

Most of the time it works like that, but sometimes, as shown in my OP, the quest markers go to extremes and show us things we don't need "marked". That's my complaint.

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you mean to show us things YOU dont need marked

people want to know where they are, it satisified those people

not everything will be something everyone wants, or needs, but if people do want and need it, then thats enough of a reason for it to exist in most cases

in this case, you seem to be mad cuz its not something in YOUR favor, much like every post you make seems to state, if its not for you it shouldnt exist

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quest markers dont make the game easier, it is there for your convenience. but of course you're the kind of person that would like to run around for an hour just to find out who to talk to. THATS NOT FUN and it doesnt make you smarter than the average bear. Go read a book if you like reading text so much. apparently boring and mundane tasks is what makes this game different than wow? I lol'd

No, I'm saying it's excessive and no human being would need a path shown to them to walk to the chocobo stables from the LW guild in grid x_x

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No, I'm saying it's excessive and no human being would need a path shown to them to walk to the chocobo stables from the LW guild in grid x_x

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we dont have a path shown, we still gotta go from point A to B to see the NPC with the marker

now granted, IF they had paths showing us where to go that would indeed be excessive, but they dohnt so its a moot point

Yeah, they did, for the LW quest. That's why I'm saying it's excessive! There were THREE markers on the path, showing you a path where to walk to the chocobo stables. Do the level 20 LW quest yourself if you don't believe me and you'll see!

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That's exactly why I'm complaining, the game is on track to casualville. I also have no other MMOs to play, because they've all gone extremely casual and easy. Lots of people who I've talked to who have the same opinions as me also don't have any other MMO to go to, this was our last MMO for a while(forever?). After this one, if it becomes casual, easy, unrewarding and unchallenging, most of us are probably not going to play MMOs for a while.

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This game was never, ever intended for the "hardcore" crowd. It was stated long before release that it was catering to a more casual audience than XI. It's your mistake for coming into this game expecting something it most certainly is not and isn't trying to be. This is another on that list of games that you deem too easy.

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Yeah, they did, for the LW quest. That's why I'm saying it's excessive! There were THREE markers on the path, showing you a path where to walk to the chocobo stables. Do the level 20 LW quest yourself if you don't believe me and you'll see!

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thats a bad example, cuz those were specific Cut Scenes you had to go to

if you went AROUND the long way to the choco stables, you WOULD NOT get the end cut scene, you had to do them IN ORDER to get there

thats not a path, those are cut scene markers

There's no cutscenes o_O

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There's no cutscenes o_O

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they are quest markers, if you go around you still dont get the end cut scene you MUST go to those spots in order

i know cuz i did go around originaly lol

Good Evening english' fellow!

I love you sweety "!" <3:p
Maybe a filter/command to hide it would make more people happy /o/

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

they are quest markers, if you go around you still dont get the end cut scene you MUST go to those spots in order

i know cuz i did go around originaly lol

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Oh I didn't know that x_x Ok that makes more sense then.

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Oh I didn't know that x_x Ok that makes more sense then.

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yeah, i had a MAJOR wtf moment when i went where it told me in the description back near launch for that quest

then i backtracked and hit the "cut scene" or marker(which gives you a small message) and then as i went back to the stable from there each marker causes a new message to show til i got to the stables


basicaly, its one of the few examples where it may look like a path but it actualy isnt

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I hope you know the system is not individually designed for each individual quest. Some code will be used to generate those markers and yes it might seem stupid on something so close, when something starts in limsa and says go to coerthas its very handy.

I'm fine with the quest markers as is, they are useful for quickly reminding yourself where to go. I start quests and a lot of times don't finish them in one sitting (LS starts leves, log out to go to sleep etc.) Its easy to just quickly check the map and see where I was heading before I stopped.
This does not really hurt anything at all, its just convenience.

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It insults my intelligence and teaches people to be lazy, never read, not pay attention, etc. This entire game teaches people to not pay attention, so yes it hurts the game as a whole.

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Yea...I think the fact that people are already lazy is the reason they aren't doing something more productive with their time and playing a video game instead. I'm not too worried about quest markers because honestly some of those quests would take forever otherwise, such as the "confessions" quest, unless they reword the quest to tell you exactly who to talk to. I don't care any more honestly, I am actually enjoying the quests and I love running across them by accident and they're such a minute part of the game that it doesn't even matter.

A game. Insulting your Intelligence.

Anyway, I didn't look at the map at that quest =D You know... chocobo stable, 34 seconds from the guild. And I didn't see the marks at all in the minimap

Tsk, reading journal is for who don't want to read what the NPC tells. If you take it without looking at the journal, you can have more fun in the quests by having the chatting as the only information thing, then if you can't solve the enigma, just open the journal as a final resource.

Just a suggestion to make quests more adventurous and funny =D

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People like you are ruining MMOs, you only play "for the reward!". The reward should be the journey, the story, the interaction, the fun, not the end. That is why FFXI was good, that is why COP was amazing. You probably have no idea what the story in single player games are, because it's a "wall of text", the best part of single player RPGs is the boss fights and the story, the connection to the characters. This was what we all felt with COP, together, in a group, I bet you didn't read COP either huh? WALL OF TEXT!

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Actually it is people like you who ruin mmo. You are up in everone elses buiness when you should mind your own. You care to much about how other people play. Not everyone has a ton of time to find the npc they need. Or can fully pay attention to the text. When I play, I'm also trying to make sure my nephew isn't grabing the Laptop charger. So i miss alot of info. The text scrolls pretty fast also. It isn't Lazy to have markers. It is more for those w/o too much time.

Shiyo, I agree with a number of you points. I think that the journey is more important than the reward, and I agree that the game could stand to up the difficulty in a number of areas. At the same time, a number of conveniences should be added to prevent players from just looking up the information via a website, much like what everyone did in XI. It's important to find a proper balance.

I think the best way to handle this is to bold key locations and items in the text of the quest information, and adjust the map to make locations easier to spot. In instances of quests wanting you to find some random spot in the desert, I think the quest information should give you it's coordinates, instead of placing a quest marker on the map. Using these methods, the game gives more than enough information, and at the same time does not lead you directly to your goal.

So another one of shiyo's blablabla this is now wow topics ? And you say i'm a troll <.<

i dont mind the quest marker, but i dont like the looks, they have to be perhaps 3d slightly transparent or something... or just the ! without the bubble, or perhaps just the bubble but a bit smaller and i would love to have it decrease in size or saturation the lower the quest lvl is. So if im lvl 36 i dont really see or barely see it if its a lvl 5 DOW quest.

If its a quest that has follow ups or is a part of a quest chain then it should stay the same no matter what lvl.

just my 5 cents

I don't like the markers because
A) I don't find them necessary... I'm "one of them readers" who likes to take in what the NPC is telling me, follow the clues and figure things out for myself.
B) They're an eye-sore to me adding more clutter to the game world than, I think, is needed.
C) They have this tendency to make it feel less like a "world" where these NPCs are actual citizens, and more like a "game" where they're simply cardboard cut-out quest dispensers.

That said... I know there are others who find them handy, even necessary (sad as I find it in those cases). And so I could live with them being there..

I would just request an option to toggle them on or off. This way those who like to have them up can have them. Those of us who don't can hide them.

Everyone's happy.

I'm glad some people agree ^-^ I also think they are too big and appear from too far away, they clutter up my map and screen all the time it's really annoying. Also, the idea of using map cords given via the quest text and other stuff is a great idea! Using the game to find the item, without being told exactly where it is with a big "HEY OVER HERE!" sign, and not using a site would be amazing.

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This is why quest markers make the game for 2 year olds.

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You should be glad they keep your age group in consideration!

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I never read the wholejournal, only last sentence where it shows where the NPC is,
I only did 2 sidequests, because it was unrewarding, i didnt know what the story was because i enter spam, Here is an idea, not everyone likes to read wall-of-text and wants to just get to the rewards part.

I play the game just fine and pay attention where it needed.

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It's so hard to believe when you can't even pay attention to grammar where "it" needed.

Haha - just kidding with you, man. I know everyone loves Grammar Nazi.

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So is anyone who actually reads my entire OP going to reply? Or is the train of people who only read the title going to continue? -_-

Even if it doesn't "Hurt anything", don't you think it's stupid(is this word allowed? let's see)how much the game holds our hand and tells us exactly where to go and what to do multiple times in multiple ways?

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I read your OP. I just don't agree with it. I like Quests and Side Quests the way they are. I'd like some more difficult content in the future, but for what it is - it works just fine. Maybe 12 year olds need their hand held. You don't decide who can or can't play, what age group or reading level they are in, or whether or not they should read the quests or just look at the markers. It's not your call. I don't agree. Also, I'm not insulted. I simply follow the markers as I see fit, or I don't if I understand the directions clearly.

Until this thread I never thought about it so I guess I don't find it "stupid" or anything else. It just exists and I exist around it. Sometimes I use it (if I start something but decide to log off and do it days later) and sometimes I don't. It's not a big deal. It's not really worth a thread. It's certainly not worth insulting each other over.

Its imminent that Shiyo has nothing else to complain about. >_>

And yet another whiny and worthless thread started by Shiyo. Well done.

I think its kind of lame how all these quests show where to go next in your quest log under the map button ... its kind of like having a guide with all the answers isn't it?

Its kinda like having your browser open and looking up all the quest info... OH WAIT A MINUTE.

Also, people want to get straight to the action, not necessarily the fighting, but they don't want to have to struggle just to find a place that was right in front of them the whole time. Who cares about the quest markers? just pretend they don't exist.

Its just as stupid as "go find this person, they go by the name of X, they are located at Y"

Well, where the F is Y?

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I think its kind of lame how all these quests show where to go next in your quest log under the map button ... its kind of like having a guide with all the answers isn't it?

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My question is, why are you using the map function in the quest log if you like finding the stuff on your own? Just like a guide you don't have to use it ever.

As far as the icons go, it doesn't add or detract any challenge from the content. Personally something that is challenging and engaging would be so even if they told me what direction to go in. The task itself should be the meat of the quest, not finding where to go.

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My question is, why are you using the map function in the quest log if you like finding the stuff on your own? Just like a guide you don't have to use it ever.

As far as the icons go, it doesn't add or detract any challenge from the content. Personally something that is challenging and engaging would be so even if they told me what direction to go in. The task itself should be the meat of the quest, not finding where to go.

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Exactly, maybe something like "Go find this item, they drop off of this mob, you can talk to this person for clues on where to find these mobs."

That wouldn't be so hard in terms of direction, but would also have required you to explore Eorzea just a bit, enough to where you'd recognize the area the NPCs are talking about.

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Originally Posted by Kurokikaze

Its kinda like having your browser open and looking up all the quest info... OH WAIT A MINUTE.

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It really isn't. Its more like taking an exam with the answer written right after the question.

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My question is, why are you using the map function in the quest log if you like finding the stuff on your own? Just like a guide you don't have to use it ever.

As far as the icons go, it doesn't add or detract any challenge from the content. Personally something that is challenging and engaging would be so even if they told me what direction to go in. The task itself should be the meat of the quest, not finding where to go.

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I'm not going to gimp myself in order to make the game more challenging. I will make use of all the tools that they provide me with.

Not using the map function is like suggesting I use a low level weapon to make fights more challenging instead of keeping my gear up to date. Or covering my HP bar with a piece of paper so I have to guess how much health I have left.

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As far as the icons go, it doesn't add or detract any challenge from the content. Personally something that is challenging and engaging would be so even if they told me what direction to go in. The task itself should be the meat of the quest, not finding where to go.

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There's a good example that disproves this.
There's a quest in gridania in which a follower of a god asks you to find certain NPCs and hear their sins. He gives you clues as to where to find them.

Then you click the map button and it tells you exactly where they are.

Reducing what could have been a rewarding quest into go run to that place I'm pointing out and come back.

Don't take is so personally. Something this minor really isn't something to wory about.