What is wrong with this community?

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Originally Posted by Kaedan94

This is why I stick to Japanese servers. At least the players are polite and if they don't have anything good to say, they just don't say anything at all. If you want, Masamune is the unofficial Oceanic server for legacy (Tonberry for new) and has plenty of English speakers. And you can get by pretty well with auto-translate with the Japanese players.

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I also went to Japanese servers because of the trash community in NA servers. I rather play with polite Japanese players then rude NA players who waste my time trash talking to each other.

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Originally Posted by Kahlane

I'm sorry a lot of people have to deal with people like this.
I know it's not a comfort but, they will be gone soon. Hopefully we'll get back what we're all missing, a real FF community.

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true
the first ones to left the game would be the rushers
can't wait!

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Originally Posted by nwk

I also went to Japanese servers because of the trash community in NA servers. I rather play with polite Japanese players then rude NA players who waste my time trash talking to each other.

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yes, i also prefer the Japanese
if you understand a little Japanese language, you'll notice that in every run, they'll start with "yoroshiku", almost every single one of them will say that
"yoroshiku" means please take care of me or some sort
while i'm joining a dungeon and didn't see anyone chatting, i know that i'm not with them

Turn off Party Chaaaaat....

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

Turn off Party Chaaaaat....

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Thats a great idea!

I might try that lol

honestly I often join server made groups now due to the Rushers in this game constantly screaming at everyone because they're not getting what they want.

Note: Rushers are what I call these people because they're obsessed with getting all the best things first in the game rather than being the best in the game. Their short temper to any hamper towards their own goal to get everything first before anyone else also leads to them having a serious ego problem, demanding people to have better gear than them so they can be carried all the way to endgame, and bragging about having all these "shiny" gears when they lack the skills required to play high level contents.

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Originally Posted by texhnolyze

yes, i also prefer the Japanese <char limit>

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LoL I know how that goes, started my first AK with an "E" group and it was me and a DPS who were new. I didn't say anything though, wung it all the way to the Demon Wall and the DPS did something or nothing I dunno, it wasn't my fault though and we wiped. Well the SMN goes all basement-dweller-trash-keyboard-warrior mode and we disband lol. . .I was sad. . .

15minutes later Q'd with a "J" checked only got a group in about 10minutes, tank said it was his first time, I kept winging the crap outta it. We beat the wall, beat the last boss and they do their little w thingies lulzing about how Eos was the only one that died that whole instance.

Lesson learned. That first time. . .I knew I just KNEW I shouldn't have checked that "E" but I did it anyways. . .it only leads to sadness. . .

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Originally Posted by Raxion

So I'm farming CM with a friend to help him finish getting his Darklight. I get into a group with a pull-happy tank that pulls the second boss and locks a couple people out. We wiped, then he starts trying to trash talk me (the other tank). Then AFKs when I talk back to him.

+ rest of QQ

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Honestly? Get over it.
If you don't like how the random people in your party are communicating with you, join an FC where the people will speak to you with respect and run it with no rude people?
Blaming anyone but yourself for the party you've ended up in is wrong.

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Originally Posted by Umbrah

Honestly? Get over it.
If you don't like how the random people in your party are communicating with you, join an FC where the people will speak to you with respect and run it with no rude people?
Blaming anyone but yourself for the party you've ended up in is wrong.

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I don't see how it's our fault that people can't act decent during a dungeon. Not everyone here has time for all the social BS that comes with a FC and just wants to play the game.

Most people have the attention span of a 12 year old. They can't wait five seconds for buffs or for someone to finish a cuscene.
It's this "speedrun" mentality that really puts me off dungeons in this game.

It's no secret that we've got a lot of baggage over from WoW and other "shiny pixels are everything" mmos.

You have people complaining about nothing to do after two weeks because they can't be bothered to do anything else than FATE's and dungeons.

I've definitely had more positive than negative experiences with DF.... but having said that, I much prefer running with Jp groups just because of the way they generally behave - I *expect* a Jp group to play as a team, start every instance with "yoroshiku" and respond to every death/screw up with some variation of "donmai!", but with random English players it's a real mixed bag and I'm sadly not surprised when somebody starts flipping tables if someone dies.

Still, this is why I'm in an FC and why I hope they'll implement cross-server friend lists!

Decided to avoid forum during Saturday, Sunday and Monday. Week days 9 am PDT - 2 am PDT. Hang around Newbie Help forum to help ppl better. Considerig to transer to JP server to avoid in game nonsense. ( Dungeon afker and Autocrats )

Had an asshole tank on my first CM run. Just ignored him. Was pissed cause i was in cut scenes while they where flying through. My whole time there was running alone catching up to the group. I didnt do anything in the fight till the last boss.

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Originally Posted by Raxion

So I'm farming CM with a friend to help him finish getting his Darklight. I get into a group with a pull-happy tank that pulls the second boss and locks a couple people out. We wiped, then he starts trying to trash talk me (the other tank). Then AFKs when I talk back to him.

This is just one minor example of what running with random players has been like in this game. The online community has become nothing more than a cesspool of trash floating downhill to a sewage plant.

If this is the community I can expect to have to deal with, I'm not sure I'll stay. I just can't take being verbally assaulted in every other run for absolutely nothing.

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Yes because theirs many games with that perfect community, deal with the bad apples.

yes your right , i dont realy love this Community also , just too show your 100 % right http://i39.tinypic.com/650nt2.png

here before the fight i'm just asking too the paladin to stun, because war stun every 30 sec vs 2.5 sec for pld
but the pld just jump on ifrit and try too be the main tank ,i got np too take control of the hate but after the pld ask too is friend healer to let me die ,

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Originally Posted by CSX

Lesson learned. That first time. . .I knew I just KNEW I shouldn't have checked that "E" but I did it anyways. . .it only leads to sadness. . .

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LOL!! I'm so using that quote as my signature.

Not to defend the DF system or anything, but if you can't handle the chance that you're going to be paired up with a jackass the best bet is to try to find a FC or LS(s) on your own server that you can run content with. At least that way you know who you're playing with. I primarily stick to FC groups but I'll do some Ifrit PUGs every once in a while. Most of them go pretty well while other times you get some smack talking.

Have to take the good with the bad unfortunately. That's what internet anonymity breeds.

Hopefully the WoW kids and F2P wannabe's will filter themselves out eventually.

The vast majority of my DF experiences has been very positive. I've met generally nice people, sure, I've had people drop because the dungeon has gone a bit pear shaped, but I don't blame them if there is a low or zero chance of winning then them bailing is the correct choice. I did however on my first AK run, run into a know it all healer who annoyed me so much after only 5 minutes that I apologised to the other two people and left, unfortunately I'm a tank so if they didn't get a replacement I'm still apologising, if they did, then I'm apologising to the tank for having to put up with that healer.

But yeah, community is what you make of it, go in to a dungeon, say "hello!" to everyone (in auto-trans) and be happy, get a bit of an idiot, take the 15 mins hit and bail, once the people who are a bit idiot realise they can't complete anything because people keep bailing on them, they may get a clue.

Oh, my first HM Ifrit was nice too, didn't win but the other PLD (Heal Me) was really nice after the fight, so yeah, Durandal FTW.

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Originally Posted by Laume

LOL!! I'm so using that quote as my signature.

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Also you change your language from E to J in your information and you won't get any /tell from gil sellers (JP servers only.)

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Originally Posted by Zehira

Also you change your language from E to J in your information and you won't get any /tell from gil sellers (JP servers only.)

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Really? They only spam english speaking players? Right now I have both turned on but E as the primary... I'll give it a shot.

I blame league of legends entirely.

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Originally Posted by Laume

Really? They only spam english speaking players? Right now I have both turned on but E as the primary... I'll give it a shot.

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It doesnt works. I have tagged as J and I am still getting spams.

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Originally Posted by Divinemight

It doesnt works. I have tagged as J and I am still getting spams.

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It doesn't work because you are in one of NA servers, unfortunately.

A game has nothing to do with shaping a community. Online etiquette has gone down the tubes over the years simply because people feel like they can hide behind a screen act how they want and get away with it because there are no direct
repercussions. If someone is uncomfortable with something and speak up they are immediately teased, made fun of, or trash talked. I've seen it numerous times in parties/guilds.

Personally if people start acting rude or immature I just ignore them and hope they will eventually go back to Call of Duty or other such game where that kind of behavior is expected. In games like this things seem to go much smoother and a lot more fun when people are polite, nice, and helpful.

Just my two cents, but I don't believe a game molds the community. I think its the community of the game and what type of behavior is allowed that creates a good or bad environment.

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Originally Posted by Raxion

So I'm farming CM with a friend to help him finish getting his Darklight. I get into a group with a pull-happy tank that pulls the second boss and locks a couple people out. We wiped, then he starts trying to trash talk me (the other tank). Then AFKs when I talk back to him.

This is just one minor example of what running with random players has been like in this game. The online community has become nothing more than a cesspool of trash floating downhill to a sewage plant.

If this is the community I can expect to have to deal with, I'm not sure I'll stay. I just can't take being verbally assaulted in every other run for absolutely nothing.

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Sadly I've had the same experience in game only on a more wide spread scale. I am one of those people that will talk to random people in cities because of how there character looks or the name they chose. It's become rare that other people will answer you much less even acknowledge your existance in game.

When people do talk, like in dungeons it's usually foul language or people acting like there better than others for some reason.

It's an mmo everyone

The point of the game is to exist in a social environment that also enjoys gaming together.

Stop changing it into some kind of horrible nightmare.

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Originally Posted by makii

I don't see how it's our fault that people can't act decent during a dungeon. Not everyone here has time for all the social BS that comes with a FC and just wants to play the game.

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The real problem isn't in FC's but in choosing a good one and how you interact with the people within. This is an MMO, if you don't want to deal with the "social bs" in a game that's based around working with other people to do things... are you sure this is the type of game for you?

Transfer to JP server.

I have ran into two English rude ppl so far.

You can always choose to play with JP only players. They never rude or impolite... Though one did strip down to his subligar the other night and streaked through the dungeon while the rest of us ran after him cheer and blowing kisses. Speaking the same language of the people you play with is overated.

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

OP, that's exactly same type of group I joined and they gave me, wife a hard time, to a point where we just said being harrassed this much isn't even worth playing and we stopped playing battle class. I am waiting for my LS/FC group to catch up and going to go with them. I understand they want speed runs but how rude can these jerks get? I have never seen this type of people in other MMO's, sure there were jerks in other MMO's but for me personally, this is the worst experience so far.

Just report them for harrassment and hopefully after enough warning they will get perm ban for good.

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Considering that I'm in your LS, you can ask me ;)

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Originally Posted by AncientCetra

Just my two cents, but I don't believe a game molds the community. I think its the community of the game and what type of behavior is allowed that creates a good or bad environment.

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I think game definitely mold the community. If a game requires complete dependence on everyone else to get anything done, you will see etiquette reassert itself. Because now there are direct repercussions for being not liked.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan94

This is why I stick to Japanese servers. At least the players are polite and if they don't have anything good to say, they just don't say anything at all. If you want, Masamune is the unofficial Oceanic server for legacy (Tonberry for new) and has plenty of English speakers. And you can get by pretty well with auto-translate with the Japanese players.

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While it's true JP server are a peaceful dream, silent shout chat, and respectful players, sadly on queue i'm sad to admit the douchebag E attitude is spreading like a virus, a cancer. Maybe most on this thread don't understand 1 single word, when they type. I do, and i can tell they laugh about who do 1 single thing wrong, and if the player try to type anything is bashed. Worst is when one of them using "engrish" answer in english. Then (if you didn't understood 1 word so far) you realize what they are telling to you "You're useless here, leave, we don't need you".
If speechless and a bit confused, copypaste the jp chat, and you will see translated they all was bashing, laughing about you, trying to find one of them able to speak english and invite this player to leave and don't come back.

Disillude yourself about the JP community. While , true, most are polite and educate, costant and able to deal with 1 wipe, on a second wipe you can even "feel" their disappointment. Silent maybe, until you trigger the button, then bash begins.

It's rare luckly, that's why my queue are exclusively on J.

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Originally Posted by Mairuzu

Considering that I'm in your LS, you can ask me ;)

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Me too!!!!!!

Problem now with duty finder is there is absolutely no consequences for your actions.

Best thing would be to add a rate this player option on leaving a duty from 1 to 5 starts with the option to leave a comment.

(A players rating would start at 3 stars and moving it to even 2 stars or 4 stars would take a significant number of low or high ratings to weed out one off bad days etc. Also you could only rate people that you were not grouped with beforehand and a 3 man premade rating a 4th person would average out and only count as one rating.)

Then ideally when you get the 45 sec or so popup you could examine your potential group mates comments and average rating. Other then the score and comments nothing else would be displayed so you could not judge on class\gear\race etc. At that point you could thumbs up thumbs down a possible troublemaker or just cancel out all together. If the majority thumbs down they get kicked and a new person is brought in from the queue.

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Originally Posted by Kirhs

Problem now with duty finder is there is absolutely no consequences for your actions.

Best thing would be to add a rate this player option on leaving a duty from 1 to 5 starts with the option to leave a comment.

(A players rating would start at 3 stars and moving it to even 2 stars or 4 stars would take a significant number of low or high ratings to weed out one off bad days etc. Also you could only rate people that you were not grouped with beforehand and a 3 man premade rating a 4th person would average out and only count as one rating.)

Then ideally when you get the 45 sec or so popup you could examine your potential group mates comments and average rating. Other then the score and comments nothing else would be displayed so you could not judge on class\gear\race etc. At that point you could thumbs up thumbs down a possible troublemaker or just cancel out all together. If the majority thumbs down they get kicked and a new person is brought in from the queue.

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Fun. Easily abused. Trolling or abusing of it to get fake 5 stars, using every single possible way a dirty human mind can elaborate. Forget it. :)

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Originally Posted by Evandis

Because you never defined what hard is. Because if you find anything in THIS game hard, you are clearly referring to grindy.

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Do The Navel (Hard) and ask four of the schmucks you brought in with you to do nothing. That's just a HEALER, a TANK, and TWO dps, just like "easy mode." Don't tell me it's "impossible," or "you won't have the dps," or other such crap. You'll sit there thinking because you accomplished this feat (with seven other people, some who may have had to pull extra weight 'cause someone else is slacking a bit, maybe even you're the slacker in the group) that you've got it made. YOU accomplished a thing, therefore it's "easy." Nothing is "hard." Not even the Binding Coil. Note that unless you had a group to effectively power level up to 50 and through the content, this crap can be hard to do by yourself. Especially if you have to deal with between 3-7 other schmucks who've decided that your enjoyment is not worth their loss of it.

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Originally Posted by Umbrah

Honestly? Get over it.
If you don't like how the random people in your party are communicating with you, join an FC where the people will speak to you with respect and run it with no rude people?
Blaming anyone but yourself for the party you've ended up in is wrong.

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Your outlook is so disgusting. People with your mindset are the reason the community is a sociopathic trash-pile.

If you think it's fine to treat someone like trash, just because you got grouped with them randomly, you've got mental problems.

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Originally Posted by Teon

Fun. Easily abused. Trolling or abusing of it to get fake 5 stars, using every single possible way a dirty human mind can elaborate. Forget it. :)

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Nah I dont think it would be as easy as you might think it would be. LOL has a tribunal system and a reward system that while far from perfect does the job. If the Devs were to spend the time its not impossible to make a similar system for duty finders. Remember you can't control who you group with in a random duty finder unless you run a premade. So as long as you filter for that, a persons score will normalize with enough duty's run. Just put in diminishing returns, and score decay over time and you could get a pretty decent system.

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Originally Posted by Raxion

Your outlook is so disgusting. People with your mindset are the reason the community is a sociopathic trash-pile.

If you think it's fine to treat someone like trash, just because you got grouped with them randomly, you've got mental problems.

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Honestly, this seems more toxic than what Umbrah said. Personally, while I wouldn't pin the blame on any one individual person, i believe Umbrah has the right idea. If you don't like running dungeons in the Duty Finder because the people you wind up with are rude and disrespectful, don't use Duty Finder.

It is still possible to form groups on your own server. More so, doing dungeons this way may be slower, but this is a way that you can meet people that you can actually keep as friends (if you like them) and continue to progress with. Before duty finder, this is how dedicated linkshells of close friends were formed.

The great thing about FFXIV is that it doesn't force you into a corner. You're not forced to party with random people. Make some friends (help gear them up), gather a group of well geared responsible gamers, and you'll never have to deal with Duty Finder again.

TL;DR: If you don't like it and/or find yourself offended by it/them, don't put yourself through it. Where there's a will, there is a way.

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Originally Posted by Teon

Disillude yourself about the JP community. While , true, most are polite and educate, costant and able to deal with 1 wipe, on a second wipe you can even "feel" their disappointment. Silent maybe, until you trigger the button, then bash begins.

It's rare luckly, that's why my queue are exclusively on J.

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i understand a bit of their conversation
they do insult, but they do it in a silly way lol
in a duty, i know they were disappointed to one of the silent tank (non JP apparently)
however, the way the express it is not in uneducated way, like adding emotes and such in their chat
even when we wiped, they won't rage like idiots and blame each other
the one who's responsible for the wipe will apologize with a big emoticon, it's fun to be with them

there's 1 fact that i can assure you from my experience, i never met a JP who rage quit

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Originally Posted by Teon

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Sorry you had a bad experience, but I haven't experienced any of that at all. I'm fluent in Japanese and never had I had someone belittle, insult, or bad mouth anyone in the party. The worst I've seen is a disappointed comment about so-and-so not doing what he needs to or an "I don't think we can do this". Though one time someone did get angry during Garuda at one of the healers. But their only comment was to "control your threat!"

I'm not saying there's not jerks on Japanese servers, but they are tremendously more rare than NA. In the vast majority of cases, people are much more polite and will simply not say anything at all if they don't have something nice to say. I'm glad that you see that it is rare and I also always have the DF set to JE (though I usually end up with Japanese parties).

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Originally Posted by IngkeuMihili

If you don't like running dungeons in the Duty Finder because the people you wind up with are rude and disrespectful, don't use Duty Finder.

TL;DR: If you don't like it and/or find yourself offended by it/them, don't put yourself through it.

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These are absolutely ridiculous comments. And it's the reason that society has gone to hell in recent years. You're essentially endorsing rude behavior. You're giving them a pass. Rude behavior should be punished, not dismissed as the victim's fault.

This is why we need a vote kick for DF added ASAP. So the rude players will think twice about being ***hats because they'll actually have consequences to face.

My best advise when doing instance is to look at the toxic players as entertainment, and to also feel sorry for them. Very few toxic players survive in mmo unless backed by an entourage of other toxic players.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan94

These are absolutely ridiculous comments. And it's the reason that society has gone to hell in recent years. You're essentially endorsing rude behavior. You're giving them a pass. Rude behavior should be punished, not dismissed as the victim's fault.

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Why doesn't everyone see it this way? The solution to getting around assholes shouldn't be to avoid the content altogether, or to go out of my way to form a group myself. That's absurd.

My point was that people shouldn't be acting the way they are, period. I wasn't looking for work-arounds. I'm well aware that I could stand in RT and shout up a group on my server, but can't you understand that it's sickeningly pathetic that I HAVE to go to those lengths just to be able to enjoy my time in-game?

I'm not looking for ways to avoid the trash. I'm pointing out that it's pathetic that this is the community we're going to have to play with.