Sell Fantasia on the Mogstation

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Originally Posted by Drakkan

No, no

No no. Nope. Hell no

No.

No cash shop, not now, not ever. Don't go down that road to make a quick buck. The people that want it need to deal with it or go elsewhere.

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It's going to happen FFXI have changing worlds so i'm sure FFXIV would cost money to buy other Fantasia and change world.

I just wanna change my first name, love the over complicated last name.

Sure. Dont see why not.
Its not like every cash shop concept is inherently evil.

Its all those shop exclusive mounts, gears, and experience boosts that make it awful.

my idea for fantasia put it on for buying for tombstones maybie 500? or sell them for 50,000 gil or 20,000 seals so it is expensive but it is a option in the game

i know i get one for free and i am going to use it to change into a lalafell but for those who make mistakes or find out they dont like there new looks could be stuck

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Originally Posted by Vertisce

First off...why do you care what other people look like? Why is it a problem if people change how they look? Why have a cooldown at all? Why make it even cost anything at all short of changing race or gender?

Make it an option within the game just like every other good game does and make it cost a bit of Gil to do it. Quit being stingy and greedy.

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No.

Like every other good game? if that's so go back to them if you want it. No cash shop items , GTFO.

10/char

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

I'm fine with it being made available some how, but NOT for cash. That's a road I don't want go down. Make it an alchemy recipe that can be made using a rare ingredient from Bahamut's Lair.

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As much as I would like to say yes. This is a horrible idea because not everyone has access to lair and it would be unfair to many people who don't end up doing much on DoW/DoM, there are people who like to craft/gather for fun. So unless the item was (UU) no way should that ever happen. Best idea as someone mentioned is have it cost a crap load of gil, or keep it as a subscription bonus. The first part helps gil get removed from the economy the second keeps players subscribed. Both of which people should have no qualms with.

The method you suggested on the other hand only creates a monopoly for people to get rich and corner the market it on, which SE has made quite clear with FATE(s) they do not want happening to a large extent.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Sure. Dont see why not.
Its not like every cash shop concept is inherently evil.

Its all those shop exclusive mounts, gears, and experience boosts that make it awful.

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^This.

As long as it's not affecting game-play and providing an advantage, does it really matter?

It's rather grating on me that I dumped the male highlander now, i'd rather not be stuck as a Female Miqo'te for the next 5-10 years.

There's no reason to be "anti" about this whole thing, if people want to change how their character look it doesn't affect you in anyway whatsoever.

Again, this is not a "cash shop" suggestion, please read my posts within the thread.. carefully.

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Originally Posted by Rekujen

There's no reason to be "anti" about this whole thing, if people want to change how their character look it doesn't affect you in anyway whatsoever.

Again, this is not a "cash shop" suggestion, please read my posts within the thread.. carefully.

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That's your opinion. Mine is that a p2p game doesn't need extra price tags. Content should be for the players not the payers.

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Originally Posted by Slambo

That's your opinion. Mine is that a p2p game doesn't need extra price tags. Content should be for the players not the payers.

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Then how about an option to buy it in game at an fair and large price?

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Originally Posted by Slambo

That's your opinion. Mine is that a p2p game doesn't need extra price tags. Content should be for the players not the payers.

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We can ALL agree on that, but how likely is that going to happen? Square-Enix is a business..

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Originally Posted by Rekujen

We can ALL agree on that, but how likely is that going to happen? Square-Enix is a business..

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Originally Posted by Rekujen

you know you want to... cash in on that stuff man!

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We don't agree on this. You are ok with a cash shop in a p2p game. Myself and many others are very much against it. Fantasia should stay what it is - a gift.

what's wrong with it costing money? it's not like it is is game-breaking >.>

i'm fine with how my character looks, until they decide to add classes like dancer again, at which point i shall switch to a female instantly lol >.<

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Originally Posted by Slambo

We don't agree on this. You are ok with a cash shop in a p2p game. Myself and many others are very much against it. Fantasia should stay what it is - a gift.

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Let's step back for a minute.
Why is it that you don't want anything like a cash shop for the game?

I don't see what the big deal would be if someone decides they'd fork over the cash to pay for something entirely cosmetic, IE it doesn't change or affect your game play experience WHAT so ever so why should some of you care what someone wants to do with their character or not.

Its their money, not yours, its their character, NOT yours. Its also UNIQUE-UNTRADEABLE its not like people can turn around and SELL them. This is LITERALLY no different than someone paying for a server transfer, its a SERVICE. If you don't want it, DON'T BUY IT, no one is forcing you to.

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Originally Posted by Slambo

We don't agree on this. You are ok with a cash shop in a p2p game. Myself and many others are very much against it. Fantasia should stay what it is - a gift.

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You're assuming too much mate, I said selling Fantasia for real money is perfectly fine... but OBVIOUSLY making it free would benefit everyone... Just because paying real money doesn't bother me, doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer the free approach.

You people don't seem to get it. We have no problem with people wanting to change their appearance. We just don't want to open the evil pandora's box of Cash Shops.

Make it an item you can buy with 50,000 Seals or simlarly large number and put a long cooldown on it.

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Originally Posted by Alish

So you're saying people who can commit to grind a large sum of seals should be awarded the chance of buying a remodel versus someone, who can't play nearly as much but pays the SAME monthly fee & supports the game just as much as everyone else, should spend less time enjoying the actual game and commit MORE time grinding to fix something that is entirely cosmetic?

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Yup, that's essentially what I'm saying. Because as soon as they open the door to buying cosmetic items with real money, it spirals out of control. Next it will be mounts, then special clothing items, then XP boosts, etc. No. Cash. Shop. In. P2P. Game.

50k seals really isn't that hard to get, but if that's your issue, then just make it 10k like the Attribute Reset item and put long cooldown between 1-6 months on it.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan94

You people don't seem to get it. We have no problem with people wanting to change their appearance. We just don't want to open the evil pandora's box of Cash Shops.

Make it an item you can buy with 50,000 Seals or simlarly large number and put a long cooldown on it.

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So you're saying people who can commit to grind a large sum of seals should be awarded the chance of buying a remodel versus someone, who can't play nearly as much but pays the SAME monthly fee & supports the game just as much as everyone else, should spend less time enjoying the actual game and commit MORE time grinding to fix something that is entirely cosmetic?

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Originally Posted by Kaedan94

You people don't seem to get it. We have no problem with people wanting to change their appearance. We just don't want to open the evil pandora's box of Cash Shops.

Make it an item you can buy with 50,000 Seals or simlarly large number and put a long cooldown on it.

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I don't see why we can't have both.
As long as they don't sell cash shop elusive gear/collectables, pay to win items, and hyper obnoxious Maple Story tier gear and items, who cares? Character redesigns and server transfers shouldn't be out of the question.

A lot of the nay saying seems to be based on the paranoia that Square will go to the extreme with it, and that's just black and white logic.

I do agree that purchase with in game currency is a better idea though.

Updated my original post to reflect how I feel about this discussion. All in all I'm quite happy with the responses and player feedback, here's hoping Square-Enix takes this into consideration.

What I want to know is when and why people started asking for devs to sell the community heavily requested game features for additional compensation? *rabble rabble old man voice* Back in my day we just asked asked the devs for features... uphill both ways. *rabble rabble*

Agree with OP. Implement this ASAP

Server transfers I can see but the rest, make it available in game as a gil or seal sink. I am willing to pay a sub because I DO NOT want to have to pay RL money for any in game services or items all this should be included in the monthly fee.

Like I said server transfers are different though it's more a tech thing and is not an in game thing.

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Originally Posted by Asmodeus

Server transfers I can see but the rest, make it available in game as a gil or seal sink. I am willing to pay a sub because I DO NOT want to have to pay RL money for any in game services or items all this should be included in the monthly fee.

Like I said server transfers are different though it's more a tech thing and is not an in game thing.

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Changing the "Shioban Mooney is on Aegis" > Transfer Data from Excalibur to Aegis.
It's not very 'techy', the price tag is to stop people jumping servers constantly.

The same would go for appearnce, it flags the character for an edit, simple. The price would discourage people to do it constantly.

I don't quite get why you guys are lumping things like server transfers, character appearance rerolls and so forth into a 'cash shop' mentality. These are extra services that would otherwise not be available in the game, and (ideally) affect one person; the one paying for such services. You do not need to buy any of these services and your game will still play exactly the same as everyone elses, even the people that do opt to use such services.

It isn't like the op is asking for a shop where you can buy boosts that give you increased XP for 24 hours, or increased gil, spirit bonding rate etc. If someone decides they want to go from Lallafel to Miqo'te for a month, does that really impact your experience? Especially if you've never heard of or even seen the person before? Some seriously weak arguments going against minor cosmetic things like this.

I'm all for changing an appearance for a few dollars. After playing for an amount of time changing your look is good.
I think having any cooldown on it is silly. If someone wants to pay $20 a day and chnge their appearance hourly let them do that, it doesn't hurt anyone else.

Do not make this game cash shop + monthly. That is horrible and completely ruins the entire point of having a monthly sub. Pick one or the other, not a hybrid of both. Make everything obtainable IN GAME if you are going to charge a monthly sub.

Fantasia should be obtainable in game through GC seals or dungeon currency or gil, give multiple options so anyone can get them.

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

Do not make this game cash shop + monthly.

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These aren't cash shop items though. These are extra services that would otherwise not be available in game which impacts players in no way what so ever. Does the fact that the 'service' comes in a bottled, item form keep giving people the illusion that such a thing has anything to do with cash shops more so than paying for a service?

You get your full, pay per month experience without services like world transfers or character recustomizations. Such things are extra services that some people are willing to pay extra for, and again, impacts your experience in no way what so ever if you choose not to use them. Such things are never intended to be part of 'the experience' and use of such services are incredibly niche (while there is a charge associated).

We aren't talking about having Cash Shop costumes or boosts that can (arguably) impact the game here; I don't understand how people keep failing to see the difference. Unless its "I won't/can't pay for it, so they should incorporate it into the game, otherwise it'll be unfair because people who will/can will be getting something I'm not!"

NO, cash shop. Make an event for this in one-two years ! But do not sell potions for USDs.

Make it purchasable from gil or tomes of phil in game.

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Originally Posted by BoomerOU

Make it purchasable from gil or tomes of phil in game.

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The problem with that, is that it's far too easy to obtain them. Especially Tombstones of Philosophy.
It would have to be a VERY high price. Very very high.

It would be like offering server transfers for Gil, as this service would fall into the same category of 'Optional Services'.

WoW has done it for years. Faction/Appearance/Server Transfers were all in the same category.
Was that ever considered a cash shop?
No, of course not. It was a simple appearance change, with a high price to discourage people from constantly changing.

And how is this service any different than say race change in warcraft? I don't see anyone complaining about that. It's purely optional service just like server change. I'd be happy for having a race change option with ingame currency but i'll take what i can get.

I recall there was/is going to be a hairdresser in the game at some point, which works with ingame currency.

I don't see what the problem is. An optional service has nothing to do with cash shops which are a revenue for free games. I highly doubt S-E would sell items that would have impact on the game balance in any way. Some of you are making this a bigger issue than it actually is.

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Originally Posted by Shioban

The problem with that, is that it's far too easy to obtain them. Especially Tombstones of Philosophy.
It would have to be a VERY high price. Very very high.

It would be like offering server transfers for Gil, as this service would fall into the same category of 'Optional Services'.

WoW has done it for years. Faction/Appearance/Server Transfers were all in the same category.
Was that ever considered a cash shop?
No, of course not. It was a simple appearance change, with a high price to discourage people from constantly changing.

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Why does it need to be such an ordeal? Is appearance changing so important that people shouldn't be allowed to change their looks when they desire? People should be able to adjust their appearance much as they want, especially since the game promotes the use of a single character. As long as there is a currency exchange why does it matter what kind?

I guess I feel like the characters we make are our identity. The people we meet will recognize us based on the race, looks and name. Now, the name is by far the most easily identifying factor - and the Fantasia doesn't allow change to that - but I still feel like if the potion is distributed in an in-game store, it can undermine our sense of identity.

However, I certainly see the need for a fix if you ever regret a design-choice made during the frantic fight to just get ON the darn servers during launch-week. We could easily look to the veteran-rewards as a great way to distribute a flagon of Fantasia. Maybe every 12 months? Its rare enough to actually put some thought into how you use it, but frequent enough to still allow for a change when you're really tired of that look.

Also, I'd love Hairdresser-NPC shops. I put a lot of thought into how I want my characters so I'm generally pretty happy with them, but even I would like the option to change my hairstyle now and then :)

Not it is not fine in the slightest. F2p cash shops garbage do not belong here.

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Originally Posted by Zadawn

Not it is not fine in the slightest. F2p cash shops garbage do not belong here.

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It's not a "cash shop," it's an account-level service. Do you consider paid server transfers to be a cash shop item as well?

I am completely in favor of this. Other games have had these kinds of services for years, and it's only a good thing. People can play as the character they want to play as, with the name they want to play as, without stressing out about losing everything they've ever done by having to start all over. This isn't microtransactions, this isn't pay-to-win, this isn't even paid cosmetic gear or vanity pets.

The race change service is going to be in the Mogstation eventually. It's bound to happen and people will pay for it. As much as i want everything included in my monthly sub i know it's not going to happen.

A fantasia potion in no way harms the game. Unless you call changing your race to get a 2pt stat advantage over a mistake in your original race decision game breaking. Also, an item shop selling something like a Fantasia Potion would be a great way for SE to make additional Money. And really, it's logically no different than paid services. E.g. SE has also had the ability to go into account management and pay for additional services. It's basically the same concept, except instead of having it as a paid service they throw it in the item mall. They could add other things as well,

-Fantasia Potion (30 day cooldown) $30 cost (unlimitted uses)
-Server Transfer Item (30 day cooldown) $25
-In game useless items like Fireworks and (follow you) minions

SE could make a lot of side money from something like that and still be subscription based, unable to buy anything in the shop or even play without an active subscription. And they could make more money than what their subscriptions roll in because I know many players will pay for things like the above, if anything, just to help out SE.

Buying it with gil would be fine by me too. I'm just glad we got one free.

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Originally Posted by BoomerOU

Why does it need to be such an ordeal? Is appearance changing so important that people shouldn't be allowed to change their looks when they desire? People should be able to adjust their appearance much as they want, especially since the game promotes the use of a single character. As long as there is a currency exchange why does it matter what kind?

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Oh, don't get me wrong.
I really want this option available. I just believe that if it were purchased with Gil or Seals it would be too easy to obtain.

It's proven that expensive Character Changes/World Transfers discourage people from doing it constantly, especially if there was a cool-down on it.


I just personally prefer a real world currency exchange for this service, as almost every MMO that offers this service does the same.