Possibility to open FFXIV up to a moddable UI?

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Originally Posted by Jinko

LOL yea your right, I was obviously thinking of a company who wanted their game to succeed.

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I can guarantee most of the add-on/mod authors never touched the PS3 internally.

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Originally Posted by Warp

If you want to have a new widget, just bitch about it enough on the forums and maybe the UI team will look into it (lol).

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:S, what ya think we are doing ?

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

No. No. No.

I do not want FFXIV to turn into this.

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lol i agree, thats way beyond over the edge

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Originally Posted by Jinko

:S, what ya think we are doing ?

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Asking for a moddable UI =/= having the UI team introduce a new widget.

I really like FFXIV's UI. It's clean, it stays out of the way, and it only shows stuff when I need it. There's not really anything I would change, aside from switching to a radial action bar.

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

No. No. No.

I do not want FFXIV to turn into this.

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Wow, I can almost see the fire on the ground in between epileptic seizures!

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

I really like FFXIV's UI. It's clean, it stays out of the way, and it only shows stuff when I need it. There's not really anything I would change, aside from switching to a radial action bar.

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Oh god that would be awesome.
The more actions you equip the more radials get added so even if you have all your "Action Bars" equipped its all one circle.


Going even further they can make it so

X = Action in the field. Hold X brings up Radial, Camera Stick controls which item on the radial you select. Releasing X selects and triggers the skill. That way the radial is not always up if you do not want it up and lets you use the Camera or Move stick to select the action.

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Originally Posted by viion

Um... What? Lets go through this step by step for your brain
1. Oh I can mod UI
2. *turns of HP*
3. I like my mod.

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You gave me the giggles.

Well played.

Edit: My god, i just read through the rest of the posts. How are people against this?

"Insane hypothetical situation where somehow the fantastic mod community succumbs to excessive downs syndrome and can't get mods fully customizable and minimalist for FFXIV"

Really?

I would be for asthetic mods, but i wouldnt like plugin type mods, because people will just say "you're gimp if you dont use xxx mod" i would however like to make the UI look like I want examples posted in here seem cool.

This could even be implemented in ffxiv config with an outline of where the border of the screen would be and edits in there like colours and menu mods, and possibly menu shortcuts in the main screen.

Why are people getting so worked up over something as silly as this? If we have the ability to mod our own UI what is the big deal? I mean if you don't want addons, then don't use them. I have a friend that plays WoW. He has six or more characters that are maxed out in level. He is also really good at doing the job that he does. Funny thing, he doesn't use any addons at all. If you don't want to mod your UI, then don't, keep it on default. But, people that want to have the UI to fit their tastes should be able to.

Within reason, of course. It won't be too hard for them to regulate modding in some way or another. I'm also sure that they can find a way to have is so that the PS3 UI can be modded as well. With the way console systems are heading, I don't think it will be very difficult to do.

I'm all for being able to make adjustments to the UI. I have too much junk on my screens, at least as far as my tastes go. I go the minimalist route when it comes to widgets on my screen.

Oblivion is adding its mods to ps3 and xbox 360. it can be done, but its harder. Heck I just want to change the color of the UI. And what's wrong with looking at health bars, in XI thats all I looked at lol.

What we're worried about is that we'll see a situation in FFXIV like we do in WoW with the "Gear scores" and "Deadly Boss Mods". Many people consider these UI mods mandatory for participation.

Yeah, yeah, I know we don't *have* to use them, but the fact that so many people believe the game cannot be played without them takes a lot away from those of us who are satisfied with the default UI.

I would really like to see fully customizable and mod-able UI. But just the UI! I honestly wouldnt mind seeing actual mods themselves put into the game aka DBM, but I also see the problem they would bring with them being so dominate like in other MMOs. So I would really like customizable UI but wouldnt really care either way on mods.

Pluggin this thread because I think Laughlyn's idea's are awesome.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Layout-Addons

I just want the like 3-5 different colors for the UI that we got from XI. I hate the color blue, my whole god damn UI is blue.

I definitely agree, I don't want to have that "mandatory" junk like you do on WoW. SE can find a way to regulate and keep stuff like that from happening. Not to mention the community is responsible for that as well. The players in WoW allowed that to happened. If people refused to buy into the bs that is Gear Score and Deadly Boss mods, then they wouldn't be the big addons that they are today. I would like to think that our community will collectively say "NO" to using mods of that nature.

It is all about finding a good balance between the two. Because, I really want addons for FFXIV. Maybe I got spoiled when I started playing WoW lol. I want to be able to streamline the UI to fit my specific playing style. That is one of the things that WoW has done very well. I'm sure that WoW isn't the only game that has UI that you can mod, but it is the only one that I have played that I knew that I had the option. Anyhoo, you didn't have to conform you playing style to the UI, I really like that. I've seen people play all sorts of weird ways in WoW and it works for them. I would really like to say the same thing about FFXIV.

But, I also don't want FFXIV to be a clone of any MMO. So, the dev team is going to have to be careful on their decision. I hope that when they make their decision on issues like this and others, that they stand their ground. I really don't want them to cave in on our every want and desire. They need to at least keep some artistic integrity lol.

yoshi has stated in many interviews that he greatly supports UI mods.

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

What we're worried about is that we'll see a situation in FFXIV like we do in WoW with the "Gear scores" and "Deadly Boss Mods". Many people consider these UI mods mandatory for participation.

Yeah, yeah, I know we don't *have* to use them, but the fact that so many people believe the game cannot be played without them takes a lot away from those of us who are satisfied with the default UI.

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We are talking about skins that change the look and position of the UI , not changing the way they work, there is a pretty big difference.

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

What we're worried about is that we'll see a situation in FFXIV like we do in WoW with the "Gear scores" and "Deadly Boss Mods". Many people consider these UI mods mandatory for participation.

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GearScore was never mandatory. In WoW, while a group is assembling a player is in direct competition with other players for spots. If a pool of players available allows for a steeper gear/knowledge requirement then what is actually required for the run then why not take advantage? Players forming groups often check armory or others in game that do not have GearScore and allowed them into groups.

So what if you don't get a spot, that didn't ever make GearScore mandatory for participation. All it did was make the player aware that a more advanced player pool exists. One that will ignore players until they put in the time to get caught up.

Don't bother bringing up that GearScore is a poor indicator of Knowledge/skill/or gear choice. it is a well know fact and is just a tool for estimates before proper inspection or viewable performance. If you know in your heart that you can compete, it is on you to show the community by putting forth the effort.

Deadly boss mod takes information that is already available in game and smash's it in front of players. Not mandatory just easier for some players. Some will argue that it makes the game to easy but i disagree. Text in a combat log is no different then text anywhere else which is no different then someone giving directions on vent. Same information just a different delivery system.

If you are behind the curve, play with others in the same situation.
If you can figure out how to do a fight/coordinate with teammates through default delivery systems then do it. If people in your group need you to have to mods so that they can do their job, find new people or help them out by getting it.

I don't feel like what i have said is elitist or rude. I think often community members take out frustrations on things like GearScore, combat logs, or W/E because it is easier then examining the true cause of their frustration.

I'm not sure how opposed SE is to this, some people claim to remember Tanaka saying something in favor of it, but I remember the opposite. Anyways, I think it would be in the game's benefit to do something like Blizzard does with WoW. I know that's on the extreme end but with proper maintenance they can allow and disallow whatever they want. By locking people into a specific UI without customization, it causes players to look at third party overlays to simulate the addons. Things like windower, apradar, etc.

I think provided proper moderation, a fully customizable UI is the best option. If they don't want damage meters or boss mods, they could easily remove the ability to make such things. Blizzard does it, both games use LUA.

However, I'm not sure how any of this would work with the PS3. Although, I suppose there's nothing wrong with the two versions of the game being slightly different.

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

What we're worried about is that we'll see a situation in FFXIV like we do in WoW with the "Gear scores" and "Deadly Boss Mods". Many people consider these UI mods mandatory for participation.

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Wow disallows GearScore now, and DBM is never "required" unless you're incapable of playing without it. If you raid and you start wiping the group because you can't grasp game mechanics, you'll generally be asked to download DBM. Personally, I haven't used boss mods since TBC and I did fine in the very successful guilds I was in. "Many people" consider them mandatory, but most people won't notice you're not using them unless you fail.

From what I understand it's not currently possible because the UI is all bound server side, unless they make the entire UI client side I doubt we will be seeing UI mods for a while as it's a pretty large undertaking to do that.

That is the funny thing though. People have a lot of misconceptions of WoW, not to mention other games that they haven't really played all that much. I have a friend that has been playing WoW since the beginning and he doesn't use addons at all. His UI is on default setting, except for all the hotbars that have all his abilities. He could care less about the addons and is an insanely great healer. Blows me away at how he does with the way the UI is set up.

Certain addons are only mandatory if you allow them to be. Simple as that.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

From what I understand it's not currently possible because the UI is all bound server side, unless they make the entire UI client side I doubt we will be seeing UI mods for a while as it's a pretty large undertaking to do that.

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If thats true explains why its so clunky, they definately need to move it to client side.

Well I think new skins and the ability to turn current UI on or off would be a great idea it doesn't have to become a game where you have to have a billion user made mods to play which I brought up the ones for FFXI like spellcast. Which I think was the mod that displays the JA/Spell recast on screen I always just used recast macros, so you should *never* have to use mods I just see that as a possible option.

when they do that i quit, that just welcome cheaters and make them unseen.

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Originally Posted by indira

when they do that i quit, that just welcome cheaters and make them unseen.

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You know this is already a possibility just like it happened with FFXI people can alter the dat files to do what they want. Its not restricting the people with bad intentions in mind only the people with good intentions are the ones facing the penalty.

Edit: not just a possibility its already happening, given the fact theres already mod websites for FFXIV out there.

We checked in with the dev. team about their plans for custom user interfaces and we received confirmation from Yoshida that there are plans in place for supporting UI mods in the future.

Awwwwww Yeaaaaaaaaah!

Deadly boss mods! WOOHOO!
recount, healbot, atlasloot, Omen threat meter, Questhelper, Buffmonitor >.> <.<!

Hmm I wonder if this also means we will be getting a client-side UI now as well, or if the modding system is going to be made to work with the current UI system?

I hope the UI will become client-side...

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Originally Posted by Reika

Deadly boss mods! WOOHOO!
recount, healbot, atlasloot, Omen threat meter, Questhelper, Buffmonitor >.> <.<!

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Now you too can rage at you local glad about how bad he plays!

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

We checked in with the dev. team about their plans for custom user interfaces and we received confirmation from Yoshida that there are plans in place for supporting UI mods in the future.

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Do not want.

I don't like mods, if you ask me.. :/

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

Do not want.

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Do not use?

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

We checked in with the dev. team about their plans for custom user interfaces and we received confirmation from Yoshida that there are plans in place for supporting UI mods in the future.

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Yay! Great news!

@ Dreamer - what does it matter? If you don't like like other people's UI mods, just don't use them.

why do ppl think if there adding UI mods they would allow other type of mod like what wow haves? I bet any UI mods would have to be pass by them first before allow to be used on the game if not then they have hacking problems again lol.

The problem is if they make mods for the boss encounters we may face down the line, people will start 'requiring' you use them to join a raid or HNM group. Like how people 'Require' you to use vent to be in their LS's already (I am in no such LS >.>). It wont be a matter of optional use for long.

If people don't like mods, they don't have to use them. I love mods and fully support the idea of this feature in FFXIV. Mods are everywhere nowadays, people love to customize.

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Originally Posted by Reika

The problem is if they make mods for the boss encounters we may face down the line, people will start 'requiring' you use them to join a raid or HNM group. Like how people 'Require' you to use vent to be in their LS's already (I am in no such LS >.>). It wont be a matter of optional use for long.

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Let's use FFXIV as an example of this, since both games share some of the design team (iirc FFXIV has some old XI devs), we can likely expect similar boss designs. So, how would boss mods have helped whatsoever in FFXI? They wouldn't have. The bosses were very easy (with a few exceptions) and mostly just consisted of stunning a long cast, standing on feet or under wings, or controlling adds. Bosses weren't as hard scripted as they are in WoW where you have boss mods. In WoW you don't even need boss mods even, if you know the intervals between abilities it's easy to know when what is coming. FFXI, and probably FFXIV are/wont be designed that way. Or at least I hope they aren't, I preferred the XI boss design personally.

If you don't want to be required to use boss mods, then don't play with the people that require it. If they're going to break a friendship because you wont use a video game mod then maybe that's their loss. I've never been "required" to use boss mods in all of my gaming career and I played WoW for over 6 years and FFXI for even longer. So maybe you're playing with the wrong crowd.

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Originally Posted by Reika

The problem is if they make mods for the boss encounters we may face down the line, people will start 'requiring' you use them to join a raid or HNM group. Like how people 'Require' you to use vent to be in their LS's already (I am in no such LS >.>). It wont be a matter of optional use for long.

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That's also my concern. I'm against it too.

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Originally Posted by Reika

The problem is if they make mods for the boss encounters we may face down the line, people will start 'requiring' you use them to join a raid or HNM group. Like how people 'Require' you to use vent to be in their LS's already (I am in no such LS >.>). It wont be a matter of optional use for long.

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This will be the problem..