Marriage - Will we be able to change our family names?

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Originally Posted by DubstepNinja

You know, it's been ages since I last saw an Haruhi Gif

Said no Lodestoner ever

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Originally Posted by Zehira

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How do I marry the Sultana? Do I have to do a quest to kill the bull? >.>

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Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

/last few odd posts

^^See this... this right here... is why I am totally against marriage in an MMO. Just complicates things and, at best, causes debates that are less than pleasant. lol

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Thankfully it doesn't really matter what you're against, it's coming one way or the other.

Two things here.

First of all, marriage really doesn't complicate anything. 50% of the population won't know it exists. 40% will know it exists and be largely unaffected by it. 5% will utilize the system to marry their significant other or for RP, 4% will be the LGBT community that is angry they are left out. And 1% (and that's being generous) will be forum goers who have arbitrarily decided "marriage is bad, cuz internet debates."

Secondly, if you don't like debates, don't involve yourself in them. And also, other players getting married really does not affect you in the least. The only valid argument anyone has against the marriage system are those that have a desire to marry two same-gender characters and are being excluded. Whether or not you agree with their position, they're the only ones with valid anti-marriage arguments.

And yes, I am stating that your opinion is invalid. Because making the implication that a completely optional system that others will enjoy; requires very little dev time, and that you will barely even know exists unless you go looking for it, is in some way bad, just makes you a twit. When people arguing against minions have a more valid argument, you've gone too far.

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Originally Posted by Zehira

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LOL This was hilarious!

I'm gonna borrow this. XD

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Originally Posted by Ramsey

Thankfully it doesn't really matter what you're against, it's coming one way or the other.

Two things here.

First of all, marriage really doesn't complicate anything. 50% of the population won't know it exists. 40% will know it exists and be largely unaffected by it. 5% will utilize the system to marry their significant other or for RP, 4% will be the LGBT community that is angry they are left out. And 1% (and that's being generous) will be forum goers who have arbitrarily decided "marriage is bad, cuz internet debates."

Secondly, if you don't like debates, don't involve yourself in them. And also, other players getting married really does not affect you in the least. The only valid argument anyone has against the marriage system are those that have a desire to marry two same-gender characters and are being excluded. Whether or not you agree with their position, they're the only ones with valid anti-marriage arguments.

And yes, I am stating that your opinion is invalid. Because making the implication that a completely optional system that others will enjoy; requires very little dev time, and that you will barely even know exists unless you go looking for it, is in some way bad, just makes you a twit. When people arguing against minions have a more valid argument, you've gone too far.

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Wow, someone needs to calm down. lol Yet more proof that adding marriage into an mmo is nothing but trouble. It's too hot button a topic. Add it without adding SSm makes one side feel discriminated against, adding it with SSM makes one side feel their game was "violated" in some way or something. The arguments get bigger and bigger and worse and worse. And talking about it on forums just invited mods in to have to scrub up the mess of the people raging against each other...

It's nothing but trouble. I know, I know, you can't take my opinion on this subject. But in my opinion, it really is, and should be left out of the game. But, as you said, it's coming. And there's gonna be problems. Ah well, hopefully I'll be too busy questing to notice most of them.

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Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

LOL This was hilarious!

I'm gonna borrow this. XD

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Glad you like it I made. ^_^

I think minions are silly and I won't utilize them but I don't begrudge others who want them, even if I have to trip over them.

I'm gettin' married, though. :) Don't see how this could bother or affect anyone else at all.

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Originally Posted by JillyBean

I'm gettin' married, though. :) Don't see how this could bother or affect anyone else at all.

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What about those you leave broken-hearted??? Huh???

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Originally Posted by Zehira

Glad you like it I made. ^_^

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I rather missed your Haruhi gifs and pics. lol Also, the anime is SUPER wierd! I like it.

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Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

I rather missed your Haruhi gifs and pics. lol Also, the anime is SUPER wierd! I like it.

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I agree that anime is very weird. I learned how rage members felt about it's not FFXI-2 anymore in this community so I started Haruhi's dancing to get people to join my club to stop those nonsenses.

The true story is... When I was in community college where nobody could speak American Sign Language for me so I acted Haruhi likely in all classes. I thought they didn't care about me until I got interested into Haruhi's show so I read the Light Novel about what Kyon's thoughts on her, I almost cried because I had no idea what I was doing in this hearing world. It explained that hearing students did care about me and wished that they could able to talk to me. I am also a fan of universe and space because how beautiful stars are up there I was like "hey aliens this ugly world doesn't like me please take me out of here. >.<"

Nevermind, this community made me felt better as I have fans and haters. When I returned to FFXI and found some players screamed how "hero" I am to them, I was like... Oh shi... This can't be happening. lol XD

Yes, I am weird and brave.

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Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

Wow, someone needs to calm down. lol Yet more proof that adding marriage into an mmo is nothing but trouble. It's too hot button a topic. Add it without adding SSm makes one side feel discriminated against, adding it with SSM makes one side feel their game was "violated" in some way or something. The arguments get bigger and bigger and worse and worse. And talking about it on forums just invited mods in to have to scrub up the mess of the people raging against each other...

It's nothing but trouble. I know, I know, you can't take my opinion on this subject. But in my opinion, it really is, and should be left out of the game. But, as you said, it's coming. And there's gonna be problems. Ah well, hopefully I'll be too busy questing to notice most of them.

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I'm perfectly calm, you've made the common mistake of assuming that someone making a series of valid points that debunk your stance is excited. It's a common, base tactic in arguments, though it is especially effective on the internet, where its not as obvious when it is blatantly incorrect.

That said, you haven't actually directly offered any counter arguments other than "there are be disagreeing and such, yarrr!" So, if it makes you feel any better, you can go to sleep knowing that you haven't really been debating anything, or anyone. Unless straw men count.

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Originally Posted by Ramsey

I'm perfectly calm, you've made the common mistake of assuming that someone making a series of valid points that debunk your stance is excited. It's a common, base tactic in arguments, though it is especially effective on the internet, where its not as obvious when it is blatantly incorrect.

That said, you haven't actually directly offered any counter arguments other than "there are be disagreeing and such, yarrr!" So, if it makes you feel any better, you can go to sleep knowing that you haven't really been debating anything, or anyone. Unless straw men count.

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straw men have feelings too you know >.> ever watch wizard of oz? http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/...E-1939-001.jpg

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Originally Posted by Ramsey

I'm perfectly calm, you've made the common mistake of assuming that someone making a series of valid points that debunk your stance is excited. It's a common, base tactic in arguments, though it is especially effective on the internet, where its not as obvious when it is blatantly incorrect.

That said, you haven't actually directly offered any counter arguments other than "there are be disagreeing and such, yarrr!" So, if it makes you feel any better, you can go to sleep knowing that you haven't really been debating anything, or anyone. Unless straw men count.

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lol Yeah, you're perfectly calm. I can tell from your refusal to see someone else's opinion as valid simply because you don't agree with it and your semi-wall of texts that you are the personification of calmness. I merey stated my opinion that having marriage in th game will cause complications that I think make it not really worth having it in the game. You obviously think it is worth it. I doubt either of us will change our minds on the subject, no matter how many times it's ranted about. You came to the false conclusion that I said what I said because I had a problem with the debate about it. I don't. I simply think it's troublesome to have in an mmo. I'm sorry my opinion bothers you. But differing opinions, well, they sort of happen on the internet.

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Hey, what are ya gonna do? lol