HOUSING for GILS... Do we really want it like this??!

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Originally Posted by Azmar

I like how OP only has 1 like on his thread after almost 2000 views. Why would RMT want houses, they just want to sell their gold. On the bot topic you think these botters made millions off of crafting what over and over, like shards that sell for almost nothing?
The people that have real rich money are honest people that crafted expensive gear and materia stuff and these people deserve their house, OP is just mad he cant afford a small house and wants equal rights as the people that play 12 hours a day.

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Example: the large houses will cost let's say 100M, the RMTs will buy them, and then they can decide to sell them for 150M. Btw i'm not mad =) <3 .. I'm happy with my 25ish milions made from d1 .

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Originally Posted by Dragonheart

Example: the large houses will cost let's say 100M, the RMTs will buy them, and then they can decide to sell them for 150M. Btw i'm not mad =) <3 .. I'm happy with my 25ish milions made from d1 .

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There is an infinite number of houses. buying them all is impossible.

Every time an instance worth of houses sells, a new one is made. (at least thats how I assume it works, otherwise nobody will be getting any houses at all...)

Trying to buy / flip real estate isn't going to work.

Thus making RMT a moot point because there is no benefit to buying a house from RMT over buying one from a fresh instance.

That is, unless you want to be in the same instance as a friend. That's the only reason to buy a house off someone. And the chances of actually buying a house off a real RMT is seriously low.
There is just no way they will even be able to buy houses in bulk.

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Originally Posted by Dragonheart

Do you really guys want a system, where people that used bot or bought gils in 1.0, will have advantages over honest ppl? Of course I'm not saying that everyone in 1.0 was a botter or a gil buyer, but i know for sure that a LOT of them made TONS of gils by botting.

Also we know that houses will costs a LOT of gils, and that you can sell & trade them... This is a red carpet invite for RMT, dear Yoshi, dear SE, think about it.


Please make houses like an achievment/storyline completion reward. You completed the content? Here take your house, and not you bought gils or boted , here take your reward anyway.

Something like:

-You completed the lv 30 story line? Here take this small house.
-You completed both 3 storyline and killed Bahamut in super hard mode? Wow, you're a hero! Please take this LARGE MANSION for you and your adventurer friends.

Even in Wildstar the dev announced that you can get your own house by completing a lv 6 quest.

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Well then, we should just remove gil from the game so that honest people have a fair chance at everything- because bot-farmed gil (NOT GILS! THE PLURAL OF GIL IS GIL, JUST LIKE THE PLURAL OF YEN IS ... YEN!) is good for buying anything, not just houses.

You can't solve the problem of RMT by making gil useless.

i could see someone buy a house and flip it by furnishing it with stat bonuses

Anyone else hoping their neighbors in their "house instances" are not rokien or azuryamber >.> I'm gonna shout for friendly people only and troll free housing areas...

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Originally Posted by Azmar

Anyone else hoping their neighbors in their "house instances" are not rokien or azuryamber >.> I'm gonna shout for friendly people only and troll free housing areas...

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I believe you can still mute them if the laws of probability turn against you in such a disastrous way :D

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Originally Posted by Scott

Well.... I played from the beginning and the most Gil I ever made was 6 Million. SO I will start with 600k into ARR.
I really hope Houses are not to expensive and I really wish I could get an another Server without broken Economy.... since I will have a hard time on old Servers with so many people having tons of Gil

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The rich:poor ratio hasn't changed at all since you stopped playing 1.0 If you could buy what you needed then, you still will be able to do so. People keep painting this picture of the old servers being filled with crazy-wealthy people. It's just not quite like that. Are their crazy wealthy people? Sure, but there is also an abundance of items in the markets that compensate greed-grabbing.

Supply vs. Demand

1.0 player servers: Are more saturated but they also have a high amount of suppliers/ and a modest amount of demand (people craft or have friends who can craft a lot of stuff for them). This keeps prices lower because you have competition in sales.

New Player Servers: Low Supply/High Demand Very few people will be able to craft/gather/farm. Due to this, people will be selling all of this at inflated prices. Almost everything will be more expensive or impossible to find for sale all together.

On the housing front:

I'm almost positive that in order to unlock housing, you'll yes, need the gils to buy it, but you'll also need to be a certain level and/or done a quest or something. By making sure we need to be a certain level/clear a quest, it helps keep RMT's out of the housing market.

Do we need to be in a Free Company to buy a house? o.o

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

i could see someone buy a house and flip it by furnishing it with stat bonuses

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i think people keep forgetting the fact that stats bonuses is perks for free company :), So if you have a free company and they put a lot of item for bonuses everyone within the free company get it.

I don't think they be any bonuses for personal homes and if there are it be rare,ex items which i bet you can't sell your house with the item in the home.

First, if there is a limited number of houses available, and RMT are successful in buying and reselling at a higher price... they are actually doing a good thing.

It allows people who have the most gil to get the houses first instead of those first in line. I made my gil providing items for other people at a good price. I will probably have enough gil for 2 houses... I don't see why we have to introduce an entirely new currency just for houses. If we followed your logic we would have separate currencies for everything or we would just do away with all gil... that argument has already been made on these forums and I don't think we need to bring it back up.

Secondly, if there is not a shortage of houses available... then how will RMT make a profit buying and selling when someone can just buy from someone else?

I had 200k to 300k in 1.0... so I only have 20-30k in 2.0 >.>

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Originally Posted by Kirito

I had 200k to 300k in 1.0... so I only have 20-30k in 2.0 >.>

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that 20-30k is still worth the same amount of gil. It was not only players who got a 1/10 cut so did the NPC buy/sell price. So don't buy anything the first few months because people be selling shit in the mind set of 2.0 not 1.0.

Pretty much if wep cost 10mil in 1.0 people should sell it for 1mil but people not going to do that lol.

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Originally Posted by Dragonheart

TONS of gils by botting. .

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The plural form of gil is gil. Not even being a grammar nazi, you sound like you are 6.

"Mommy I saw lots of deers i love deers"

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Originally Posted by Zehl

The plural form of gil is gil. Not even being a grammar nazi, you sound like you are 6.

"Mommy I saw lots of deers i love deers"

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Is pronouncing the plural form of gil right really so important to you that you need to be a total jerk about it? Cause if so, you have some serious priority issues. lol Calm down, dude.

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need the gils to buy it,

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Again: the plural of gil is gil.

Every FF game will tell you "you currently have 3784234 gil." not "You have 234566 gils."

Guess in regards to the RMT deal they could at least make a quest that has to be completed before purchasing land in a city state is allowed. And while it might be annoying maybe they can add a "tend to your property" style system were you have to be actively interacting with your property at least once every 5 days. (such as you showed you went to your chocobo stables, went inside the house etc) Would put pressure on RMTs to have to unload properties faster and cause them to not be able to inflate prices.

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Originally Posted by Gumbercules

Guess in regards to the RMT deal they could at least make a quest that has to be completed before purchasing land in a city state is allowed. And while it might be annoying maybe they can add a "tend to your property" style system were you have to be actively interacting with your property at least once every 5 days. (such as you showed you went to your chocobo stables, went inside the house etc) Would put pressure on RMTs to have to unload properties faster and cause them to not be able to inflate prices.

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yoshi-p said they be a quest and it going to be a long one. He said people be using inn for a while before they can get access to the housing but not sure how that going to work. From the last live letter it seem everything is very casual not sure why they making getting a home such a pain in the ass maybe RMT issue like your saying.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Again: the plural of gil is gil.

Every FF game will tell you "you currently have 3784234 gil." not "You have 234566 gils."

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lol Really guys, who flippin cares? :D

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Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

Is pronouncing the plural form of gil right really so important to you that you need to be a total jerk about it? Cause if so, you have some serious priority issues. lol Calm down, dude.

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Thanks man, some people gets mad fast if you're not a mother tongue in english (same was for incert/uncertain word in the other thread D: ) .

For the others:
I'm an italian trying to explain a personal point of view, i feel sorry for you if some grammar errors hurts you :/

Simply my 2 ce... ehm gilS :)

In the live letter it stated you will only be able to have one house for a while after release (no given time) eventually you will be able to have multiple and and buy/sell/trade/gift whatever is the plan. But it was stated what you buy as first you will be stuck with for a while, who knows how long might be short or long time.

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f; OK moving on to next question, regarding housing, say first you buy a S size and then move into a M size housing, is that possible?
y; for moving, we will add it through patches, after that we’ll see how it goes and if it become where you can own a 2nd housing and i believe you wouldn’t need to as much, the idea for moving is in there.

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# Q2: Will you be able to buy and sell the rights to the land for housing in your bazaar?
# A2: Yes. You will also be able to trade them.
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f; OK next question, can you buy/sell right to the land through bazaar?
y; yes, you can. You will also be able to trade. Like for example, say in a free company, “I want to give you a present you a house” you would be able to propose to live together.
f; ok so for those of you that a rich, please do that
y; yes

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# Q3: Is it possible to have multiple houses? For example, your main residence is located in Limsa Lominsa, but you have a vacation home in Gridania or Ul'dah.
# A3: It really depends on multiple factors, like lag and such, but as long as there are no problems we would like to make it possible to possess multiple houses.
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f; Next question with land and housing, can you have multiple housing in different locations such as main house in Limsa and separate housing in Ul’dah and Gridania. You mentioned a bit earlier
y; that’s similar to what I just mentioned, like having main house then having another house in a different region right, once you have the details it may be possible
f; so starting with one
y; for basically yes, however, please be careful, with community, if you do something like having main house and 2nd house you might end up in trouble.

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here is where I am getting this from if people are confused.

this is Reinhearts translation of live letter.

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Originally Posted by Dragonheart

Do you really guys want a system, where people that used bot or bought gils in 1.0, will have advantages over honest ppl? Of course I'm not saying that everyone in 1.0 was a botter or a gil buyer, but i know for sure that a LOT of them made TONS of gils by botting.

Also we know that houses will costs a LOT of gils, and that you can sell & trade them... This is a red carpet invite for RMT, dear Yoshi, dear SE, think about it.

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How can you say this things without even knowing how much a House will cost?
How much "TONS of Gil" is?
And from your point of view EVERYTHING that needs Gil should favor Gil Buyer or Botter. Are you serious?

OP and Rokien make all my favorite posts.

To answer your question, yes, we want it like this.