The whole Legacy debate wrapped up.

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Originally Posted by OrionInerghem

I switched from XI to XIV 4 days after I would have had Legacy, I played solid for the last 5 months of 1.0
I have 4 level 50 jobs.. well you can see from my sig. I did all, missions, primal battles ect. before end.

My BF played for a week at XIV start, played again when I started for a week, but he quit at level 15 and said he'd wait for ARR.
He's Legacy

The problem isn't legacy/ non-legacy, it's the horribly flawed way SE decided to make people Legacy. I wished they'd at least given all 1.0 players equal chance.

For a lot of people they played all along, for many others they quit but still made legacy. My BF is a good example of this, he couldn't care less about 1.0 while I loved it! yet he's Legacy for playing 2 weeks..

While I'm disappointed I missed Legacy by so close, I'm still very excited to play ARR, and considering how much I loved 1.0 even if I have to wait until Phase 3, I know ARR is going to be even better!

Just my 2 cents because I know there's a lot of people with strong feelings today.

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How can it be that you missed it? I find it hard to understand.

I got an mail from SE, around May.
I did pay for some months I believe (more like forgot to set the payment option off,when I stopped playing.)
But after the mail I got excited, So I turned subscription on again, and paid for 3 months in advance, so I was guaranteed to have legacy.
I never quit subscription, because I wanted to support them, So I paid from May till the subscription stopped.

I only played like 3 weeks in that time, I really couldn't like 1.xx.
So if I don't like ARR then I wasted around 7 months? of subscription fee.

Well that is my problem off course, I put a lot of faith in SE. And I guess that SE seem to give legacy access to beta, the legacy members now are a part responsible for the success of ARR, which they are probably motivated for, because else they wasted money.

I just want them too succeed and if I can help them in anyway, then I will do that.

So I do wonder, how can someone who seem to have liked 1.xx missed the chance?
I don't understand that part of your post.

It is not an advance to be in the first few phases of beta, characters get deleted, not all content available, you have to do the same content over and over again, to test everything properly. And the worlds won't be online 24/7, with a bit bad luck some of the beta people maybe don't even get the chance to play, because of work/school/sleep?

Every subscriber seem to have access at beta phase 3? That is the phase when it becomes a lot more interesting.

So you really don't have to be sad! And maybe you get even in this phase, test won't start till 25?

SE REALLY should've sent out an email to let players know about the legacy campaign months in advance. So unless they did that, everyone has the right to be butthurt.

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Originally Posted by seuki

SE REALLY should've sent out an email to let players know about the legacy campaign months in advance. So unless they did that, everyone has the right to be butthurt.

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they did that they already market it a lot.. No body seems to care much >:(

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

they did that they already market it a lot.. No body seems to care much >:(

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Wait wait, so you mean to say all these people are complaining for no reason?

SE gave plenty of time for people to get legacy status, they sent e- mail about the campaign even sent the welcome back e-mails, even some game sites posted about legacy program and 2.0(IGN is one to name).

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Originally Posted by seuki

Wait wait, so you mean to say all these people are complaining for no reason?

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They are complaining because they have a wrong sense of entitlement.
Legacy was announced as well as the conditions were announced. Either you chose to meet them or you chose not to.

It does not matter if you played for 1 day or 1 year as long as you met the paid requirement - it is a thank you for supporting the game financially and quite frankly... it's not much really, it's just a kind little thank you.

Nice little legacy article for those interested

Paying for 90+ consecutive days (whether you play or not) for a "broken game" is what the legacy deal was.

It's all good.

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Originally Posted by Niqote

They are complaining because they have a wrong sense of entitlement.
Legacy was announced as well as the conditions were announced. Either you chose to meet them or you chose not to.

It does not matter if you played for 1 day or 1 year as long as you met the paid requirement - it is a thank you for supporting the game financially and quite frankly... it's not much really, it's just a kind little thank you.

Nice little legacy article for those interested

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That was a well written piece.

part of me wants to munch on some popcorn and read this thread, but I don't know if my BS shield can handle it.

Why do you care so damn bad that you didn't get Legacy?? You all act like Legacy is some holy grail that allows people to get all the best gear and leaves all else in the cold... Seriously... After Beta is over, Legacy isn't gonna mean a damn thing to anyone except the discounted price we get for having been willing to pay the fees during 1.0. And if you weren't willing to do that, why do you deserve a discount?

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Originally Posted by Niqote

They are complaining because they have a wrong sense of entitlement.
Legacy was announced as well as the conditions were announced. Either you chose to meet them or you chose not to.

It does not matter if you played for 1 day or 1 year as long as you met the paid requirement - it is a thank you for supporting the game financially and quite frankly... it's not much really, it's just a kind little thank you.

Nice little legacy article for those interested

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Obviously you can't hold people accountable for not reading more than a few characters of text at a time. http://endlessorigami.com/comics/201...tion_spans.png
I didn't even know I had legacy and I didn't even know about the legacy campaign.

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Originally Posted by rina_inverse

the point is we dont need to beat things that already happen and can't be changed

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And like I've been saying, there was PLENTY OF WARNING! Rules are rules, and bending them would tarnish SE's already floundering reputation. Though I admit it's a shame you couldn't have made Legacy given you enjoyed 1.0.

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Originally Posted by seuki

Obviously you can't hold people accountable for not reading more than a few characters of text at a time. http://endlessorigami.com/comics/201...tion_spans.png
I didn't even know I had legacy and I didn't even know about the legacy campaign.

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I like this Good Job:cool:

*To qualify for a legacy account you must have subscribed for at least 90 days before June 30th 2012
July> Aug> Sept> Oct> Nov

I started on July 4th. Before that I was playing on XI and one of my good friends on XI told me to try XIV. I did and loved it. So I couldn't have known about Legacy, what it was, or retroactively buy it before that. I did get the Goobue mount.

I tried to get my BF who only played for 2 weeks back into 1.0, I crafted him +1 melded gear for his 15 job, showed him how cool the Van Darnus fight was, but he said he just didn't care about 1.0. and he quit the game again.

Saying ALL Legacy people supported the game is just false. While many did, I've also seen many people on my LS website with Legacy status very excited today, whom I never even saw in 1.0
Which is exactly why those people are getting emails today, to show them the new game and bring them back, people like myself will already be back, SE is trying to win those others who maybe tried the game and hated it at the start.

I didn't make this thread for Legacy to feel guilty, or prove who supported SE more when, and certainly not all the venomous responses.
I made it so I could voice my opinion to SE.

The only people who really lost out were the ones who didn't stick with 1.0 because it was a great game by the end, and I can't wait to get back for ARR.

I just wish everyone who played in 1.0 could be legacy. :c

I do agree that it is unfortunate for those people that joined the game too late, I know of some cases that decided to try out FFXIV when there was no more 90days sub (or they were still on trial and deciding if they liked the game) or was too late to pay for 3 months before the game went down... to this people I am sorry and I hope they do future deals where you all can get something close to Legacy, at least being able to have a discount subscription or something like it.

To the people that bought the game months ago, played some days and stopped and did not pay attention to their emails, or simply ignored anything FFXIV related... then you are the only one to blame for missing this opportunity, several emails were sent and there was multiple announcements on the lodestone....

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Originally Posted by OrionInerghem

Saying ALL Legacy people supported the game is just false.

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They did support the game. Financially. Paying 3 months of subscription fees.

That's all it took. Nothing more, nothing less.

It's basically the same thing that "founder" programs in different games: within certain time frame you can pay a bit more for the game to get certain benefits.

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Originally Posted by OrionInerghem

I started on July 4th. Before that I was playing on XI and one of my good friends on XI told me to try XIV. I did and loved it. So I couldn't have known about Legacy, what it was, or retroactively buy it before that. I did get the Goobue mount.

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I agree with this guy. SE should've let EVERYONE know about the legacy campaign. Even those who never even heard of FFXIV much less own a computer. It was THEIR responsibility to give everyone an equal chance.

I do remember there being e-mails sent to all XIV players (current and previous) and a few Lodestone posts. I think there was also a message you saw every time you logged in, but I'm not sure. Does anyone remember?

How about people that had account from 1.0 that will pay for next 10 months from ARR launch will have option to become Legacy Member.

This is hopefully support ARR for 10 months after launch for 1.0 accounts that want to become Legacy that didn't.
Will need least an active account since 1.0 and register it at the first month of ARR is launched.
Will need to have 10 months of payment after ARR launch within the first year.

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Originally Posted by Venat

How about people that had account from 1.0 that will pay for next 10 months from ARR launch will have option to become Legacy Member.

This is hopefully support ARR for 10 months after launch for 1.0 accounts that want to become Legacy that didn't.
Will need least an active account since 1.0 and register it at the first month of ARR is launched.
Will need to have 10 months of payment after ARR launch within the first year.

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Originally Posted by jwang

Delicious tears. Om nom nom nom. Lock and delete this thread.

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I love it really.

Not like everyone was advised in advance what was required to get Legacy and given the time to meet those requirements right? Right?

Oh wait...

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Originally Posted by Punainen

Why do you care so damn bad that you didn't get Legacy?? You all act like Legacy is some holy grail that allows people to get all the best gear and leaves all else in the cold...

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Precisely, they complain about how every Legacy player is an elitist asshole, then they complain about the fact that they can't be elitist assholes too.

Another dumb thread. Didn't you learn how to look both ways before crossing the street? If you didn't and something hit you, thats your fault. You were giving warnings so many times, but you didn't take the initiative. And now you're dead or in the hospital b1tching? You wish you had another chance to cross the street? Pssh... go kick rocks. And how does Legacy = Elitist? Do any of you non-legacy have any common sense? Its like saying people who works in a big company are all rich. QQ moar, you only have yourself to blame.

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Originally Posted by OrionInerghem

I tried to get my BF who only played for 2 weeks back into 1.0, I crafted him +1 melded gear for his 15 job, showed him how cool the Van Darnus fight was, but he said he just didn't care about 1.0. and he quit the game again.

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Well to me it sounds like you have more issue with your BF getting legacy and not caring about the game more than actually qualifying for the Legacy yourself.
How about you claim your boyfriend's account and have this debate with him instead of bringing YET ANOTHER thread about "I didn't qualify for Legacy by few days" to the forums?

There will always (in everything that has a deadline) be those people who miss out by one day. It's a shame it was you this time, I am sure one day it will be me and I shall wipe away my tears with pride.

Now can we PLEASE move on... stop making new legacy threads, the horse is so beaten up that it's past animal cruelty :/

I'm glad someone else brought up Kickstarter, because that's really a great analogy to what we're talking about here:

• If you didn't buy FFXIV 1.0, you get nothing.
• If you bought 1.0, you get an extra free month of ARR, automatic access to Beta Phase 3, and to continue any characters from v1.0.
• If you stuck with the game in the early months, you got opportunities to help shape ARR through exclusive surveys from the Producer/Director.
• If you paid and played in 2012 prior to patch 1.23, you could get an exclusive Goobue mount.
  Etc, etc.

I have funded a Kickstarter at a lower level and participated in its forum where people have forum titles as constant reminders of their tier level, and they sometimes mention and discuss their higher tier's unique rewards. Maybe there it's more obvious that every person had a choice of tier level, and maybe some experience envy of those higher tiers (that's probably just human nature). But nobody has ever demanded that either they get the higher rewards for free, or that others get stripped of them so everyone can be the same.

Please, everyone, realize that your ARR "reward" appropriately reflects your investment of both time and money. There's no shame in investing at the lower tiers. We're all a part of ARR's success going forward.

*Opens up Notepad, writes down a post to copy/paste for every Legacy QQ thread.*

I personally think they did ok with it and the conditions to qualify were actually quite relaxed.

There was a 9 month period where you had to pay for subscriptions and in those you had to pay for just 3 to qualify for legacy. thats 33% really not that much.

In some of these threads there were people who were stacking 30 day subs in august and qualifying for legacy. so there really was plenty of time and opportunity.

Do I have legacy? Yes. Did i try and get it? No.
I'm one of those people who bought 6 months (180 days) in January when they started billing. Thus I had effectively qualified for legacy before I even knew what it was. Then when they announced The legacy campaign in march/april I had already qualified.

I do honestly think that everyone had plenty of opportunity to qualify though. and that you only had to pay for 3 of the 9 months was quite a low requirement.

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Originally Posted by Venat

How about people that had account from 1.0 that will pay for next 10 months from ARR launch will have option to become Legacy Member.

This is hopefully support ARR for 10 months after launch for 1.0 accounts that want to become Legacy that didn't.
Will need least an active account since 1.0 and register it at the first month of ARR is launched.
Will need to have 10 months of payment after ARR launch within the first year.

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The question here is do legacy members that pay for that same 10 months in ARR get "Super Legacy" or "Legacy +1"

If you're going to reward some players for paying for 10 months in ARR you got to reward all of them.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Sorry, but all 1.0 players did have a chance. People had the better part of a year to qualify for legacy.

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Once again, Captain No is right right right. ^_^

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Originally Posted by Dzian

I personally think they did ok with it and the conditions to qualify were actually quite relaxed.

There was a 9 month period where you had to pay for subscriptions and in those you had to pay for just 3 to qualify for legacy. thats 33% really not that much.

In some of these threads there were people who were stacking 30 day subs in august and qualifying for legacy. so there really was plenty of time and opportunity.

Do I have legacy? Yes. Did i try and get it? No.
I'm one of those people who bought 6 months (180 days) in January when they started billing. Thus I had effectively qualified for legacy before I even knew what it was. Then when they announced The legacy campaign in march/april I had already qualified.

I do honestly think that everyone had plenty of opportunity to qualify though. and that you only had to pay for 3 of the 9 months was quite a low requirement.

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I know many who did this.
Imagine the rage threads if those who on faith paid 6 months in advance were called...
Super Legacy!

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Originally Posted by AmandaHuggenkiss

I know many who did this.
Imagine the rage threads if those who on faith paid 6 months in advance were called...
Super Legacy!

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Those who paid for Twelve months get to have lunch with The Twelve.

Just don't break any of their kitchenware...

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Originally Posted by ArkhamNative

I'm glad someone else brought up Kickstarter, because that's really a great analogy to what we're talking about here:

• If you didn't buy FFXIV 1.0, you get nothing.
• If you bought 1.0, you get an extra free month of ARR, automatic access to Beta Phase 3, and to continue any characters from v1.0.
• If you stuck with the game in the early months, you got opportunities to help shape ARR through exclusive surveys from the Producer/Director.
• If you paid and played in 2012 prior to patch 1.23, you could get an exclusive Goobue mount.
  Etc, etc.

I have funded a Kickstarter at a lower level and participated in its forum where people have forum titles as constant reminders of their tier level, and they sometimes mention and discuss their higher tier's unique rewards. Maybe there it's more obvious that every person had a choice of tier level, and maybe some experience envy of those higher tiers (that's probably just human nature). But nobody has ever demanded that either they get the higher rewards for free, or that others get stripped of them so everyone can be the same.

Please, everyone, realize that your ARR "reward" appropriately reflects your investment of both time and money. There's no shame in investing at the lower tiers. We're all a part of ARR's success going forward.

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And that should sum this up.
I also played from the very beginning, with some break time in between sessions. I don't have legacy and what ? nothing ... I paid for only 2 months and that was my choice, so no hard feelings.
Grow up people, if anyone missed legacy status by a few days ... well, you had your chance. You should blame only your self becose there was plenty of time to pay for those 3 months and stop treating this like it was the end of the world.
It's only a minor bonus, few euro/dollars less and second chocobo ? You can live without it, don't you ? ;)

If this game will be as good as I hope after the remake, I would pay much more for it. Just becose it's worth it and to repay for all that hard work people put in this project.

Take an example of him

http://cdn3.gurl.com/wp-content/uplo...g-in-there.gif

And hang in there ;)

If he's legacy it's because he PAID for the required amount of time, not for how LONG he played for.... That would be a pretty stupid scale to go by.

Enough already. *plug fingers in ears* La la la la la.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

Just to make sure there's no misunderstanding, as I remember even this was a topic of debate:

• All Legacy accounts are guaranteed a beta access key. Most, if not all, received them early this morning, if it wasn't obvious.
  
• Personally, I'm not entirely certain about whether or not non-Legacy accounts will be receiving phase 1 invites, but they will be getting invites after.
  
• Also, from what I gather, any account-Legacy or not-that was active when the servers went down is guaranteed a beta key by phase 3.

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Yes all service account holders qualify for phase 3, but that also means you could get a phase 1 invite long before others do whether you're Legacy or not. Phase 1 isn't Legacy only and it's also only Wednesday.. There could be more invites by the end of the week, or even in the middle of phase 1 before phase 2.

Your friend probably kept his account active, for the time required. As long as you have an active account that meets the criteria, you are a legacy holder. It sucks you were just short of it, but why should you expect SE to make an exception for you when you were bound by the same conditions as everyone else?

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Originally Posted by seuki

I agree with this guy. SE should've let EVERYONE know about the legacy campaign. Even those who never even heard of FFXIV much less own a computer. It was THEIR responsibility to give everyone an equal chance.

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Like i said before it was sent in e-mails a few times and a few gaming sites even posted about 2.0 and legacy thing, se never really wanted to market this game outside of the people who bought it at release.

As for OP saying not all legacy supported the game while its true but 90% of the legacy players been here since CE or normal launch day, hell you will notice most of the legacy people here posting joined these forums in march 2011 cause they been here since day 1 and did not bail out when the game launched bad and when they started charging.

Most of these people that are posting here I have been seeing their face here supporting the game and giving feedback since these forums opened up. So anyone who only played the game the last 5 months and did not help out with voicing what we did not like about 1.0 from the start i don't really feel for you.

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Originally Posted by Pwnagraphic

Yes all service account holders qualify for phase 3, but that also means you could get a phase 1 invite long before others do whether you're Legacy or not. Phase 1 isn't Legacy only and it's also only Wednesday.. There could be more invites by the end of the week, or even in the middle of phase 1 before phase 2.

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True - though with all the Legacy players being in, and then the haiku winners, I wouldn't be surprised if they held off on further invites until phase 2.

Pretty much, it all depends on what kind of attendance they get, and what they're looking to hit for the stress test that's a part of phase 1.

Basically, Non-Legacy can get invites during Phase 1, but based on the info known it is much more realistic to expect such invites to be held off until Phase 2. At that point I imagine they'll send out invites in waves until all active accounts get a code for Phase 3.

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Originally Posted by OrionInerghem

I switched from XI to XIV 4 days after I would have had Legacy, I played solid for the last 5 months of 1.0
I have 4 level 50 jobs.. well you can see from my sig. I did all, missions, primal battles ect. before end.

My BF played for a week at XIV start, played again when I started for a week, but he quit at level 15 and said he'd wait for ARR.
He's Legacy

The problem isn't legacy/ non-legacy, it's the horribly flawed way SE decided to make people Legacy. I wished they'd at least given all 1.0 players equal chance.

For a lot of people they played all along, for many others they quit but still made legacy. My BF is a good example of this, he couldn't care less about 1.0 while I loved it! yet he's Legacy for playing 2 weeks..

While I'm disappointed I missed Legacy by so close, I'm still very excited to play ARR, and considering how much I loved 1.0 even if I have to wait until Phase 3, I know ARR is going to be even better!

Just my 2 cents because I know there's a lot of people with strong feelings today.

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Legacy doesn't seem to guarantee beta anyway.

I played 1.0 from launch to close. Payed for Legacy at least twice over. Haven't received an email. Checked my SE account today and there's no beta listed under my Options List, so it would seem I'm SOL.

Oh, hello thread. Nice to see you again. How've you been? It's been what, half a day since you came up last?

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Originally Posted by Sephrick

Legacy doesn't seem to guarantee beta anyway.

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If you're legacy but didn't receive an invite, check this post: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...093#post970093

Hope it will be fixed soon! :)

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Originally Posted by Xeroeth

And that should sum this up.
I also played from the very beginning, with some break time in between sessions. I don't have legacy and what ? nothing ... I paid for only 2 months and that was my choice, so no hard feelings.
Grow up people, if anyone missed legacy status by a few days ... well, you had your chance. You should blame only your self becose there was plenty of time to pay for those 3 months and stop treating this like it was the end of the world.
It's only a minor bonus, few euro/dollars less and second chocobo ? You can live without it, don't you ? ;)

If this game will be as good as I hope after the remake, I would pay much more for it. Just becose it's worth it and to repay for all that hard work people put in this project.

Take an example of him

http://cdn3.gurl.com/wp-content/uplo...g-in-there.gif

And hang in there ;)

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Unfortunately this generation is the "blame everyone but yourself" generation. Nothing is ever "my" fault! lol, nice post though, wish more people understood that then we wouldnt have all these threads complaining about legacy, It was an equal opportunity promotion, everyone who had an account got the email, if you missed it, you missed it. Just like last weeks sale at he furniture warehouse, it wont be back. Sorry bout your luck.