You are not alone in this feeling iron. The combat revamp, class balancing and other things that are coming down the pipe are very pivotal. if done correctly it could be a watershed moment in turning this game around. if done incorrectly it could very well be the final nail in its coffin. And there more then aware of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irondude
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04-06-2011, 07:28 AMGriss
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04-06-2011, 07:29 AMGalamantyl
It's interesting to see how a simple harmless "I'm back" thread can go to sh** in a matter of hours. This could've been considered quality feedback and I found it to be quite constructive. But since we're all content with this instead...
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04-06-2011, 07:33 AMSheliaAbsolutely.Quote:
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I'm starting to get worried about the fate of XIV. Part of me feels kind of like it should die already and just become a F2P MMO, and part of me really wants to see it recover. lol -
04-06-2011, 07:37 AMBelgianRofl
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Right now, the video game community doesn't have much to talk about. If SE comes out sometime before April 19th with some huge information, the word will be able to get out that FFXIV is on track to becoming one of the best MMOs of all time. If they wait until after April 19th, news about FFXIV will not be center stage.
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04-06-2011, 07:39 AMJennestiaWhat's specific about April 19th? Conventions?Quote:
Originally Posted by BelgianRofl
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04-06-2011, 07:42 AMTheVedisa game some people think is the next best thingQuote:
Originally Posted by Jennestia
buit isnt being advertised anywhere really -
04-06-2011, 07:44 AMJennestiaDefinitely not in Japan nor CA then as I have no clue what game is even being referenced haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheVedis
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04-06-2011, 07:45 AMBelgianRofl
Starting on April 19th, 2011 is going to be littered with gigantic blockbuster hits that everyone will be talking about.
Yoshi and friends should take advantage of the last few weeks to come up with some sort of huge announcement about FFXIV that will take the community by storm. They need to take advantage of the time they have to take center stage and the spotlight while they can. -
04-06-2011, 07:50 AMCendresQuote:
Originally Posted by BelgianRofl
Hmmmmmm problem I see with your conviction there is that in the past whenever some big game was SUPPOSED to make a huge splash 9/10, it didn't. Rift is hugely successful and mostly came out of left field, nobody saw that one being that big right away. So whatever it is you're talking about color me skeptical.
MMOs that were supposed to be HUGE: Vanguard, Warhammer, Age of Conan.
Oh wait is it TOR? Because I am waiting for that regardless, not entirely convinced this is the next MMO Messiah though. Sorry for derailing your thread OP. -
04-06-2011, 07:53 AMSuirieko
Since he can't even spit it out like people have been asking him to, I guess I'll speculate what he's talking about:
http://www.gamespy.com/index/release...rn_all=is_true
Socom IV and Mortal Kombat, both being released April 19th, along with Final Fantasy IV complete collection.
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04-06-2011, 07:56 AMBelgianRofl
It's about availability for viral, media attention. If people are too distracted by the monstrosities, it will be difficult for news about FFXIV to get out. The next week or two is the perfect opportunity for Yoshi-P to post something huge!
Suirieko Mizukoshi:, Portal 2 releases April 19th via Steam. -
04-06-2011, 07:56 AMCendresThose don't sound like huge blockbusters either. Oh look it's a new game, guess what the heck Belgian is talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suirieko
They can't do that if they don't have anything, I'd rather they release stuff when it's ready to go then rush to put something together. Rushing is what got us into this mess to begin with. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by BelgianRofl
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04-06-2011, 08:01 AMBelgianRofl
They don't need to rush content out, they just need to post something naming exactly what they intend to change, and roughly when to expect those changes.
Mortal Kombat will be big, but Portal 2 will be HUGE.
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04-06-2011, 08:03 AMSuirieko
I won't deny the fact that Socom and Mortal Kombat are pretty popular that some would even consider it as blockbuster. Portal 2, no doubt it is an epic game which I can't wait to get. Ultimately, I don't think they are going to have any impact on the game really. Just give them time to fix the game up, rather than rush it because of these games release dates.
However, I won't argue the fact that I'd like them to announce something big, sure, we all want that. We want to know what's the long term plans for this game really. More details, etc, but these informations are going to likely be more so come from only one place: The Lodestone. -
04-06-2011, 08:04 AMGicker
I don't think anyone who quit after launch is going to see enough to impress them for a good year or two. It's a psychological thing I think. They set a high bar for FFXIV to begin with and 5 months of updates isn't going to fix that. I think we'll only see any real recovery in players who left after the first expansion comes out, and even then it's a shot in the dark.
Boil, keep the game installed if you want (a half hour is a long time to you? work on your patience, friend), but don't expect to see earth shattering changes and massive content additions anytime soon. Your best bet is to check in again after the battle system changes, but again, and not knowing you at all, I'd say it won't be enough until an expansion is in with chocobos, air ships, and a decent amount of new content. As far as your crashes go, that is rough... I haven't heard of anyone having that kind of crash trouble recently at all. I myself haven't crashed since October-ish. Up to date video drivers and all that jazz? The mob variety at low levels is weak, I agree but it does get marginally better as you level up, and I imagine this is another concern that will be addressed after a good amount of time.
All in all the game still has a long way to go. I am too am grateful for SE (were you sarcastic though, I couldn't really tell, seemed you may have been) for sticking with this project. The cynics will point out the cynical side of things, but I've never met a happy cynic, and I prefer to stay happy. I think FFXIV will come into it's own after a couple of years, and in 4 or 5 will be one of the best MMOs on the market. For now, those of us who enjoy it enough to bear the growing pains will do our best to keep the project alive until that eventuality can become reality.
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04-06-2011, 08:05 AMBelgianRofl
Suirieko, Square-Enix needs to repair the reputation FFXIV currently has. How are they going to build up hype when there hype is already rampant throughout the video game community for everything else that's out there?
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04-06-2011, 08:06 AMCendres
Sorry those two games aren't going threaten FFXIV or any MMO for that matter. Not because they won't be very successful because there's just no competition, if anything it'll distract you for a few weeks while XIV gets an update or two and you're ready to come back to play :P
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04-06-2011, 08:08 AMBelgianRofl
Cendres, 2011 will be littered with monstrosities after April 19th. The question is, how is square-enix going to get the word out that FFXIV is on track to becoming a masterpiece? We need something huge, and we need it before the 19th.
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04-06-2011, 08:18 AMSuirieko
I really don't think timing's going to have any impact with 'hyping' FFXIV up. FFXIV already got a lot of bad publicity, even if they announce something 'big', people outside of this community will just dismiss it because they are only words. SE will have to prove that they are fixing FFXIV, which they are already doing so obviously.
Let's say they do come up with something 'big' to build the 'hype' for FFXIV, fantastic! Are we going to see it in sites outside of FFXIV Lodestone and the premier sites (IE, FFXIVCore, Eorzeapedia, and Zam?) I highly doubt it. Yes, I agree, these games are big, but 'littered with monstrosities'? Not really.
Keep in mind that we'll soon be approaching the E3 Season, along with the release of big games throughout this year, including Duke Nukem Forever (If hell actually freezes over and they actually DO release it), and of course Mass Effect 3 down the road, but these games aren't going to have anymore impact on FFXIV than games like Portal 2.
I'd say the only shot they have at building up the hype, as you put it, would be the PS3 release. If they do fix the game up to the point that people will actually enjoy it, MAYBE some game critics will forgive FFXIV and give it a 'second chance' with thePS3 release, and maybe it will get FFxIV the hype it deserves, when the game actually gets better. -
04-06-2011, 08:19 AMKirith
Sticking with the thread's topic...
I "came back" yesterday after being absent since November and the first things i noticed were the much improved UI and battle responsiveness and the the helpful market wards search.
These are very important improvements and i believe this is how the game was supposed to be at release, however the lack of content, the interesting yet utterly unexciting class system and most importantly the lack of ridable chocobos are still too soul-crushing for me.
I could find nothing to look forward to, or a reason to level up and do those repetitive levequests, plus having no playing friends left i felt tempted to give up sitting and crafting alone in a corner of Ul'dah for a round of solitaire.
Getting back is just that hard right now.
To top it all without server transfer i can't even move to Besaid and enjoy some roleplay without having to level up my crafts from scratch.
On a bright note i found a "sidequest". The NPC told me to go and kill three dodos in a cave so i doubt i will be much entertained, but i'm curious to discover in what way it will be different from a levequest or simple grinding in Thanalan. -
04-06-2011, 08:26 AMBelgianRofl
Suirieko, you make a good point that the PS3 launch will ultimately be FFXIV's final and biggest chance to remake a name for itself.
However, I truly believe that if Yoshi-P were to come out within the next week or two and post something huge and precise about future plans for Eorzea, it would get media attention from the big names like IGN and Gamespot. IGN just posted an article on FFXIV last week... This would essentially plant the seed in the back of everybody's mind and would only serve to be beneficial for FFXIV's rebuilding process. This needs to happen right away while nobody is talking about anything. -
04-06-2011, 08:52 AMKirith
Belgian, do you mean something like: "In six months we're going to introduce craftable personal and party-based airships with full twitch control and epic sky battles against the Garlean Empire!" ?
Then yes, there would be massive media interest, however i can't see anything less making enough of a splash.
Many PS3 players won't be fooled that easily into buying a game with this sort of reputation.
On a side note, if you believe the sky battle thing is too difficult to make, you're wrong. Even i have have enough skill to make that sort of thing from scratch in say, unity3d engine and six months of work. -
04-06-2011, 08:57 AMVerecundAnd then you reach level 30....Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
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04-06-2011, 09:00 AMJennestiaThere's still quite a bit of people who were originally waiting for the PS3 (especially Japanese gamers, I personally know quite a big community waiting to play) and as for the airship thing? It's not hard, I can make a basic system in about 3 weeks, but for an MMO? There's a lot more to take into consideration. Even Skies of Arcadia's was pretty simplistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirith
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04-06-2011, 09:07 AMBelgianRofl
I'm simply offering my incredible advice to Yoshi-P and friends. You all can take it or leave it as you wish. If you have confidence that your product will speak for itself when the time comes, so be it. Good luck to you all, and may your decisions be the correct ones.
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04-06-2011, 10:08 AMKirithNo need to play the misunderstood prophet. You're just stating the obvious, however you're exaggerating. This game won't be saved by a PR stunt, nor it will die because a singleplayer game i will play and finish in one night comes out.Quote:
Originally Posted by BelgianRofl
Yes, they join FFXIV and most leave after three weeks like the PC players. Next?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jennestia
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04-06-2011, 10:12 AMEvangela
Welcome back!
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04-06-2011, 10:13 AMKazahashiUmm....he left already too....this was a topic about how he came back, found it still in a horrid state (in his opinion), and left again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evangela
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04-06-2011, 10:14 AMVerecund
I'll admit that I thought woodsin would have something to do with furries and cosplay...
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04-06-2011, 10:28 AMJennestiaGuess so since my Linkshell all left after 3 weeks...oh wait we're all still together 6 months later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirith
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04-06-2011, 10:36 AMsolrachtIf you think that's the rule rather than the exception (or at the very least, something not that common), you might want to look outside your bubble.Quote:
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Most people here should do that actually. -
04-06-2011, 10:54 AMJennestiaSo in other words:Quote:
Originally Posted by solracht
"They'll leave the game because I hated it, there's no way anyone can or will like it."?
It's funny, because most people I play with still comments to this day that their friends are wanting to play but can't till the PS3 version rolls around.
If anyone needs to "look outside of their bubble" it's the pessimists. Not to mention no one said anything about it "being the rule", especially considering it's only the people who don't play the game or already left seemingly think nothing positive can happen. -
04-06-2011, 11:02 AMKaedan
Sorry OP... you're just plain wrong about the updates being insignificant.
But it's perfectly in your right to not play if you're not having fun. But I have to ask why you felt it was necessary to make a thread saying, "This game still sucks, so I'm not going to play until it gets better". SE is perfectly aware that the game isn't ready yet... that's the reason you aren't being charged yet. And if you're arrogant enough to think that your one thread is going to make them "wake up" or move any faster, you're sorely mistaken. -
04-06-2011, 11:05 AMMaat
This is a troll thread.. SE is hard at work.. you have not given this game enough time to blossom.. through all japans circumstances i say they have done what they could with the game so far.
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04-06-2011, 11:12 AMsolrachtI just reread why that guy replied to you the way he did (which I sort of missed when replying to your post). No, he's not right in saying that anyone who'll ever join will also leave, but as things are there aren't enough changes to make returning players happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jennestia
Shouldn't have replied to you (like I said, I got the wrong impression from not reading the first quote in its context), so disregard my initial comment. -
04-06-2011, 11:13 AMKirithI actually agree with this, but this isn't a troll thread. Trolling is intentionally angering others. I think OP was being sincere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maat
That said, SE should have worked on the game for a year longer before release. Or tripled alpha-beta times, this time listening to their players.
Let's not go off topic though, this thread is about a returning player's experience. Op's was bad. Mine too. Someone who doesn't pay close attention to Lodestone's updates won't see enough improvements after 6 months. This is a fact. -
04-06-2011, 04:59 PMboil147da-da!!! (waves hands over-dramatically)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazahashi
Actually, I found time to go back on last night. Sorting out the game crasshes makes a huge difference and a massive drop in frustration. I restarted in Uldah and played for about three hours; and it seemed that I could level up more quickly than when I first played all those months ago.
The battle system seems smoother than it used to be and the search function on the market wards is such a huge change. I have to admit, I did like those few hours in FF14. I think there is a lot that still needs to be done, but I'll keep the game installed and log in a few times a week just to do some levelling until more content is in the game... it is free to play at the moment, after all. -
04-06-2011, 05:11 PMboil147Actually, it's not arrogance and it's not about one thread changing the world. It's about the potential to keep a company aware of how their customers feel about their product. In most cases I wouldn't bother, and there are plenty of businesses that fail without anyone ever telling them why their customers leave them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaedan
I'm not FF crazy, but I do have a big soft spot for it. If it's something that I care about, why shouldn't I try to make the company aware in a relatively constructive manner?
And, given that it's an IP that I really like, why shouldn't I complain to them about how much they've earnt my £40? Why shouldn't anyone be able to do that even if they're not fond of the IP? That's a lot of money to a lot of people.
And I didn't start a thread saying "this game still sucks, so I'm not going to play", I gave a reasonably constructive point of view of how I felt. You might not feel that the gameplay changes are irrelevant, I think they're important but far short of what's needed to really make this game shine and bring more people into the game.
We have been charged. We were charged for buying the game. There may be no ongoing charges at the moment, and that's great but what SE really needed to do for us, but are you happy at what your cash has gotten you?
I'm pleased for you if you are, and without a trace of sarcasm too, I'm genuinly pleased, but that doesn't mean to say that everyone else feels the same as you and it doesn't mean to say that other people shouldn't voice their concerns. -
04-06-2011, 05:17 PMboil147Oh sod off. It's not a troll thread. I've not given this game time to blossom? What planet are you on? Is releasing a game that's playable at release not the 'done thing' anymore? Is waiting for six months and getting some UI changes but, cruicially, none of the huge things that people have been asking for, not a long time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maat
SE might be hard at work. They should be. They sold me a crap product. And whilst I spent some time in the game last night and saw some of the changes that they've made were good ones - and big enough to make me want to dip in and out until the bigger changes come in - what kind of fan-boy hell/ commercial-companies-have-no-responsibilities world do you live in? Do you enjoy just telling people that they're trolls because they disagree with your wonderfully small bubble world-view? Even when the person that disagrees with you has openly and repeatedly said that he's really pleased if you're having a great time in the game?
You either didn't read the thread, didn't think or do live in a world of your own.
Do you not think SE should be working their asses off?