Not to mention the US is actually pretty far BEHIND when it comes to connectivity. Many ISPs chalk it up to not spending money because customer's don't NEED better connections.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valmonte
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02-07-2013, 11:59 AMispano
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02-07-2013, 01:02 PMShioban
I completely agree, an ISO would be good for those who struggle to download large volumes of data, I know occasionally I find myself in that predicament and don't fancy downloading 20-40GB worth of game-data on top of downloads.
As FFXIV obviously requires a registration code to access the service an ISO available online wouldn't really provide any problem piracy wise. Let's hope they consider it for people who may have to re-install FFXIV:ARR on a frequent basis and don't have a physical copy.
Which as far as I remember, there won't be any physical PC copies anymore. -
02-07-2013, 03:18 PMAlhanelem
Here in the "united states of earth" most home-based internet services are unlimited, with a flat fee per month. If no such plan is offered by any ISP in your country, I suggest you gather up a large crowd of people and riot in front of your major telecom provider until they bend to your will and offer a more fair and reasonable internet service.
Beyond that, as I said, just download the game once, burn it, and use that to install on as many machines as you want. The patches are not going to be the bulk of the game data- but in the unlikely event they are, Download the patches on one machine, install on another machine, then copy the patched data over the fresh install. Generally this should work. -
02-07-2013, 03:33 PMispano*gets popcorn*Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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02-07-2013, 03:44 PMAlhanelem
Disclaimer: the "riot' and "bend to your will" part was intended as a joke, but in all seriousness, companies only get away with this stuff because people accept it.
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02-07-2013, 04:08 PMispanoIt's not even as common as you think IN the US. Very few connections here are actually unlimited. Comcast has a cap, it's not a hard cap, but if you're going over it, and one of the top % or so, you get the Cease and Desist Call.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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02-07-2013, 04:26 PMWilksha
Here in Canada both major ISP Bell and Rogers have monthly caps. Rogers charges like a dollar and a half per gig over to a max of 100. Tis crazy. I hear in Japan for about 20USD you can get a crazy 25meg connection with no cap. I want THAT connection if it's true.
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02-07-2013, 05:04 PMValmontenothing small or flat about the "Unlimited" Fee, besides unlimited is a premium service and should only be given to those with the money to afford it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
in the good Ol USA you get a nice sizable Bill for a 3 day vacation to the exclusive precinct hotel for rioting, or being a nuisance in a place of business. in other country they'll probably shoot your ass for saying your O Wonderful and Glorious Leader's state owned telecom sucks(and it does).
your choices are the US Roundabout you pay, you riot, you pay the govt. repeat cycle until you either learn who really owns your ass or your banned from steeping foot on the premises of every telecom in your free country or you get shot. -
02-07-2013, 05:33 PMChiefCurraheeI was refering to the download installer method. If you read a little further in my post, I stated If I were able to download an .ISO image, I'd be able to burn it to a disc and install it from that on my other machines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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02-07-2013, 06:00 PMAltena
Bleh.. repost of the same boring thread.
Cable in my country is capped. The best plan I can get on cable is 500GB per month - costing $119 AUD. (I am on a 200GB plan, but at $100 per month, it isn't really an option for some people).
The alternative is ADSL2+ which in some areas is complete garbage because your download speed is based on the distance between your home and the exchange, however yes they do offer unlimited plans.
Effectively to download the new XIV client in its entirety (presuming 30 gigs) it would cost me about $15-$20 (based on my plan). Of course this is cheaper then purchasing a new copy, but it should be noted that it is indeed costing me money for something that is advertised as "free upgrade for 1.0 players".
To be honest 30GB download won't hurt me, but I can imagine it hurting some people. However on the other side of the fence, it would cost SE a pretty solid chunk of cash to supply retail disks containing the base client to all players of 1.0 and send them out.
A digital download is by far the best option from SE's point of view, but considering it will cost $15-$20 for every reinstall, I would like to see some form of installer that can either be archived somewhere or burnt to a disk for future reinstalls. I am fine with downloading it once, but having to download it repeatedly in fact makes the game cost a lot more then it would in realism. -
02-07-2013, 08:34 PMFelisIn germany most providers offers unlimited internet. It's very common here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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02-07-2013, 08:53 PMWolfie
What I don't understand is the people who say they have a monthly cap, but it's like 200-500GB.
What the heck do you do that eats up 200-500GB a month, that you couldn't just go easy with once to download this game? -
02-07-2013, 09:00 PMAltenaAs I stated in my previous post, the download cap I am on is above average for cable. Most people sit on 50GB or less if they are on cable. $100 a month can be a bit rich for some.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
I will point out that I am not against a digital copy, but a copy that I can then reproduce myself for future reinstalls. I am quite happy to download a 5GB (or bigger) update, but to redownload another 25 on top of that hurts.. It's annoying enough after a fresh install that you have to re-download a lot of your drivers / programs / windows updates / games. To add 30GB to that is quite a huge blow.
I just set up my new system and ate through my 200GB in 3 weeks just catching all my programs back up and a few games. -
02-07-2013, 11:35 PMMychael
What I don't understand is why people are so determined that this SHOULD NOT happen. Are you allergic to plastic from a distance?
ERMAHGAWD IT HURTZ. TAKE AWAY THE FREEDOM OF CHOICE. IT HURTZ UZ. NO PHYZICAL COPIEZ. . - .Quote:
How would you like to upgrade to Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn?
( ) Digital Download (Free)
( ) DVD-ROM (Shipping Time 1-3 Days; $1.50 + S&H)
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02-07-2013, 11:47 PMAmandaHuggenkiss
Physical copies are going the way of the Post Office and the Dodo.
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02-08-2013, 01:52 AMAlhanelemIt's not "premium" here any more than cable TV/digital phone service is.Quote:
nothing small or flat about the "Unlimited" Fee, besides unlimited is a premium service and should only be given to those with the money to afford it.
If my bandwidth usage reaches absurd levels, like im downloading torrents 24/7, they might have a word with me about that. But there is no set limit or bandwidth threshold.
My first service provider (dialup) back when the internet was new was unlimited. Every provider we've had since was unlimited- it wasn't a premium service, it was the standard.
Burn it to a disc. It's a stretch to argue that's how much it costs you as well because you pay that money whether you use the full 200GB or not.Quote:
but considering it will cost $15-$20 for every reinstall,
Any kind of file, exe installer or otherwise, burns just as easily to a disc as an iso.Quote:
I was refering to the download installer method. If you read a little further in my post, I stated If I were able to download an .ISO image, I'd be able to burn it to a disc and install it from that on my other machines.
Anyway, people don't seem to get that the intimidate thing was a joke. As I had said, I was quite unaware that flat fee services were harder to come by elsewhere. -
02-08-2013, 02:39 AMWilksha
YEs I think we all know you can burn any kind of file to disc. I think your missing the POINT. If SE gives us just the booter, it's what SE called their patching system, the "install" file will be around 100megs. This file will also be very stupid to burn to disc as it doesn't even install any portion of the actual game. The booter will do the download, instal, then patches. Thus making EVERY reinstall a 20+ gig download.
An ISO should be a good 4-8gigs per file, assuming it's a DVD ISO, installing a large chunk of the game. Though if they want they can offer a BLUE-Ray ISO that's 25-50 gigs installing the whole game sans the patches. Hell With an ISO you don't even need a disc drive to install the game. Get a program like DAEMON Tools Lite that can set up a virtual drive running the ISO as a disc right off the location of the ISO. -
02-08-2013, 03:08 AMWolfieARR has basically been confirmed to come with a boxed copy that you can buy from retailers anyway, so this topic has been pointless from the start.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mychael
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02-08-2013, 04:32 AMFelisSay it to SEQuote:
Originally Posted by AmandaHuggenkiss
http://www.amazon.com/Final-Fantasy-...al+fantasy+xiv
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02-08-2013, 04:41 AMAmandaHuggenkissI'm not saying they are gone now.Quote:
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02-08-2013, 09:07 AMMychaelI think the idea is that everyone here already bought it once, and only those who need physical copies would have to buy the game a second time just for the discs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
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02-08-2013, 09:12 AMWolfieYes and that's what's going to happen. Legacy members will get to download the 2.0 client for free.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mychael
If you don't want to download your free 2.0 client, you can go buy a game disc from your distributor and install it from that. -
02-08-2013, 09:19 AMAlhanelemI think you're missing the POINT. SE isn't just going to give you the patcher. And, as I explained clearly in my post, even if they did do this, you could simply install whatever is installed by the initial download, update that one PC, then copy the contents of your game folder to another PC/burn it to a disc and then just use that.Quote:
I think your missing the POINT. If SE gives us just the booter, it's what SE called their patching system, the "install" file will be around 100megs. This file will also be very stupid to burn to disc as it doesn't even install any portion of the actual game.
Then there's also the option of just buying another copy of the game and selling/giving the registration code to someone else, or finding an ISO of the original disc on a torrent somewhere.
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02-08-2013, 10:00 AMAltena
It may not be a problem for some, but that does not mean it isn't a problem for others.
Personally I don't really have a huge care for having to redownload it as my DL limit is quite large, however it is only large as of 2 months ago (when I finally decided to pay an extra $20 per month). Before 2 months ago I had a 50GB download limit, which I was hitting pretty easily doing daily stuff.
30GB is a fairly large chunk of some people's bandwidth depending on their plans. I can understand why they won't want to download it every time they have to reinstall.
The people on here that don't seem to have an issue with a patcher program are on an "unlimited" service, the people on here that do, are obviously not.
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02-08-2013, 10:13 AMZumi
It's not even 30 gb its more like 8 because its compressed and later gets expanded when its installed.
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02-08-2013, 10:21 AMWolfie
I still have no idea why this topic went more than a page. There are going to be game discs that you can buy in a store. Is this topic just a bunch of people restating that same damn f**king thing, or what?
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02-08-2013, 10:51 AMAlhanelemAgain, you seem to have missed the part about downloading it (and the patches at the time) and burning those to a disc or storing on a portable hard drive or other device so you never have to redownload it.Quote:
The people on here that don't seem to have an issue with a patcher program are on an "unlimited" service, the people on here that do, are obviously not.
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02-08-2013, 12:08 PMWilksha
If I'm not mistaken the patcher reads from it's personal instal information and not at what's actually installed so saving it elsewhere then moving it prob will not work. I could be wrong, but FFXIV doesn't seem to have the same data checking FFXI had. But then they could change the booter for ARR so I'll wait for judgement till then.
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02-08-2013, 12:48 PMAlhanelemWhat you do is you install the game (whatever the installer puts on your PC so Windows knows its there) then you copy the existing files you already have and overwrite the stuff you installed- this doesn't mess anything up because you're not alteringe the registry which is what tells windows about what's installed where and certain associated settings. This works with almost any game, and it worked for FFXI.Quote:
If I'm not mistaken the patcher reads from it's personal instal information and not at what's actually installed so saving it elsewhere then moving it prob will not work.
I do this whenever I need to reinstall FFXI- I install the game as normal and then I copy my old install over it- After a quick file check I generally don't need to download any updates afterwards- Saving me hours of updating. -
02-08-2013, 01:01 PMWilksha
Yes this worked for FFXI, but FFXIV doesn't have a file checker. it's only checks you current patch it installed. So it might not work for FFXIV.
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02-08-2013, 01:17 PMAltena
Sounds like a lot of fuck around when the download could quite easily be a .iso of the base client. . .
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02-08-2013, 01:23 PMReikaNot just legacy members, all FFXIV 1.0 account holders will be able to download 2.0 client free. This includes people who quit even 1 day after trying it at launch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
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02-08-2013, 02:26 PMKsenia
All the practical information is in your log in. 2 MB Launcher, log in and update the files. If I want it hard copied I will copy and paste the folder to a usb stick when it's complete.
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02-08-2013, 02:38 PMispanoIf that aspect is anything like 1.0, then no, it won't quite work like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ksenia
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02-08-2013, 10:18 PMWolfie1.0 was literal torrent files. The client was mega-s**tty, and most people downloaded the content with uTorrent or some other real torrent client, and then copy-pasted the content in the appropriate locations.Quote:
Originally Posted by ispano
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02-09-2013, 12:01 AMDuuude007
Doing this would also open the door to selling digital downloads of the game, opening a new market to SE for XIV.