Beta test... will be saved on your character progress?

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Originally Posted by Radacci

well i certainly won't rush content in ph4 anyways :)
if they dont save progress; i'll just roll my eyes and whine a bit, then carry on :p
but i'm 99% sure progress and all that will carry over. I think at most there might be a day maintenance after ph4, then game launch.


That would basically mean wipe, which in normal case wont happen

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And that is what i do not want to see.

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

Call me pessimistic, but I seriously doubt they meant more than that the characters people spent 10+ minutes creating, would reappear at level 1 before the first moments of their character growth, on launch day.

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This point might actually benefit from clarification. Although I my self won't be creating a new character.

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

And that is what i do not want to see.

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you want wipe after beta?

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Originally Posted by Radacci

you want wipe after beta?

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If they wipe, wipe, logically will be wipe, only some F2P open beta are carried over. Hard to say for this one, i join this thread because I feel that a P2P game like this do not bring open beta data progression over to launch(unless you can name me one mmorpg that is not F2P does that).

There no indication of saying "data progression" are brought over, only says Character Created, thus the only data that is brought over is your lvl 1 starting character are brought over. Is more like those akin to Name Booking. :P

Of course it will be great if it did transfer our progression but I read it very much the way it is read. Only character data and not data progression that will be transfer over to launch.

It's the same as the end of Tera's open beta, it was like some early access, they carried everything from here to the final release.

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Originally Posted by Dannythm

It's the same as the end of Tera's open beta, it was like some early access, they carried everything from here to the final release.

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Do they have an early access as well? (Aside from Open Beta, like after open beta, and before launch, were there?)

For this FFXIV:ARR if nothing goes wrong and they feel like it they will open up an early access before launch date, which is after Open beta. Thus I do not see they are transfering data progress from Open Beta.

In tera i think it was different in EU and NA. in NA i think your progress was saved. in EU not. Those that pre-order had 2-3 days early access.
i think it was same for Aion, though i didnt play beta there.
i think it's standard practice for all games, not just f2p.
for some games they wipe after beta, and you dont keep char or anything. Sometimes you get early access to create characters; it was like that in Tera too. It was like a week or 2 downtime after beta, so you had early access to char creation first, and then access to game 2-3days before launch.
And i think they want to avoid wipe in OB, as that WILL annoy some people, and might make them quit, even though people should be aware it's a possibility; And im sure SE wanna keep as many players as possible :)

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Originally Posted by Radacci

In tera i think it was different in EU and NA. in NA i think your progress was saved. in EU not. Those that pre-order had 2-3 days early access.
i think it was same for Aion, though i didnt play beta there.
i think it's standard practice for all games, not just f2p.
for some games they wipe after beta, and you dont keep char or anything. Sometimes you get early access to create characters; it was like that in Tera too. It was like a week or 2 downtime after beta, so you had early access to char creation first, and then access to game 2-3days before launch.
And i think they want to avoid wipe in OB, as that WILL annoy some people, and might make them quit, even though people should be aware it's a possibility; And im sure SE wanna keep as many players as possible :)

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Its standard to wipe after beta, just very few games offered to save progress from beta to release version. And those ppl who quit cause their progress gets wiped after beta are those ppl i don't want to see in the game anyway.

You shouldn't compare early access with beta, its 2 different things.

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Originally Posted by moriandrio

Its standard to wipe after beta, just very few games offered to save progress from beta to release version. And those ppl who quit cause their progress gets wiped after beta are those ppl i don't want to see in the game anyway.

You shouldn't compare early access with beta, its 2 different things.

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Oh? i cant remember playing any betas where they wiped after, and i played a few.
I wasnt making that comparison :) i just answered a question, if there was early access.

Phase 4 will be an open Beta, it's not an anticipated access to the game. So I think they will save ONLY Names and Characters' aspect.

I failed to understand why people only chooses to read what they want, and not what is written ...

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* Circumstance may necessitate the deletion of character data.

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Possibilities of deletion exists, it cannot be more clearly stated then that.

jc

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Originally Posted by Radacci

Oh? i cant remember playing any betas where they wiped after, and i played a few.
I wasnt making that comparison :) i just answered a question, if there was early access.

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You must of played alot of f2p betas then, cause for normal there is a wipe after beta. I played alot betas too in the last 10 years and i remember alot wipes between beta and release.

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Originally Posted by Enma

Phase 4 will be an open Beta, it's not an anticipated access to the game. So I think they will save ONLY Names and Characters' aspect.

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If characters created carry over, it's not a wipe, or characters would be wiped too.
If there's a wipe, characters wont carry over.
So since they say chars carry over, there wont be a wipe.
They say there MIGHT be a wipe depending on circumstances, but not so high probability. Again if there is a wipe, chars wont carry over anyways; Because they can't just save everyone's lv1 chars, and delete all progression; Because not everyone will create their chars at same time. And there's no point at all to save peoples lv1 chars anyways.

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Originally Posted by AttacKat

I failed to understand why people only chooses to read what they want, and not what is written ...


Possibilities of deletion exists, it cannot be more clearly stated then that.

jc

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It is highly unlikely that this would happen. That statement is there to cover their ass in case something bad happens. It wouldn't look good on their end if Phase 4 had a major issue that required them to dump data. Some people would get riled up by it. So with this message, if it happens, they can simply say "Welp, we warned you!".

Personally, I will have a hearty laugh at all the rage that will occur when they do indeed make a wipe between beta > retail.

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Originally Posted by Gokulo

Personally, I will have a hearty laugh at all the rage that will occur when they do indeed make a wipe between beta > retail.

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http://25.media.tumblr.com/738257572...gb3zo1_400.gif
nice try kitty :)

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Originally Posted by Radacci

nice try kitty :)

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Kitty still landed on his feet!!

But regarding wipe, I side with SE:

• We'll have v1 characters with progress at launch.
• Planned wipe after beta phase 3, starting again with characters at v1 progress at the start of beta phase 4.
• Planning not to reset characters to v1 progress after phase 4.

I believe we all know what the beta schedule road map states

"- Characters created during this phase will be carried over to the official release."
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"* Circumstance may necessitate the deletion of character data"

But what OP is asking is.. something along the lines of what this is saying.

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

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Originally Posted by Triairy

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"However, before the official service start we will be releasing a benchmark software which allows character creation which can import ver 1.x character data. So if you would like to import your data, please remember to keep the character data stored in FFXIV folder under My Documents > My Games > FINAL FANTASY XIV (default)"

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One can assume character progress while another could assume character feature data (used in the character creation screen.) What the OP is asking is which.. Will we be keeping our character feature data, and our progress data, or just our feature data?

(because as you saw Triairy is referring to character data being just the characters feature data.)

If they are the same:
If they are in fact the same thing, (all the data is both progress and features) then whoever deleted FFXIV 1.0 will not keep their progress. In which case, there will be a major rage fest unleashed. (because Yoshida gave the "ok" to delete the FFXIV 1.0 client, which contained the data as did Triairy in his OP.)

If They are different:
If they are different then its only character feature data, meaning what you are importing is just the features or "looks" of the character not its progress data. Thus, whoever deleted FFXIV 1.0 client is safe, except they cannot import data for the benchmark (which isnt a big deal) but this also means that the data referred to as "character data" in the ARR schedule is just the "feature" and "looks" data used during character creation (not its progression being carried over into release.)

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

I believe we all know what the beta schedule road map states

"- Characters created during this phase will be carried over to the official release."
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"* Circumstance may necessitate the deletion of character data"

But what OP is asking is.. something along the lines of what this is saying.





One can assume character progress while another could assume character feature data (used in the character creation screen.) What the OP is asking is which.. Will we be keeping our character feature data, and our progress data, or just our feature data?

(because as you saw Triairy is referring to character data being just the characters feature data.)

If they are the same:
If they are in fact the same thing, (all the data is both progress and features) then whoever deleted FFXIV 1.0 will not keep their progress. In which case, there will be a major rage fest unleashed. (because Yoshida gave the "ok" to delete the FFXIV 1.0 client, which contained the data as did Triairy in his OP.)

If They are different:
If they are different then its only character feature data, meaning what you are importing is just the features or "looks" of the character not its progress data. Thus, whoever deleted FFXIV 1.0 client is safe, except they cannot import data for the benchmark (which isnt a big deal) but this also means that the data referred to as "character data" in the ARR schedule is just the "feature" and "looks" data used during character creation (not its progression being carried over into release.)

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uhm data was saved by SE, so i dunno how importing will work, but it wont have anything to do with 1.0 client.
And in ARR you'll re-make your char anyways, but im sure char look is saved by SE also.
it would be pretty odd if you uninstall game, come back and play later, and progress is lost, cause you deleted client...

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Originally Posted by Radacci

uhm data was saved by SE, so i dunno how importing will work, but it wont have anything to do with 1.0 client.
And in ARR you'll re-make your char anyways, but im sure char look is saved by SE also.
it would be pretty odd if you uninstall game, come back and play later, and progress is lost, cause you deleted client...

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Yeah I personally assume its just our character creation data. Which then leads to us not keeping our character progression data into the retail version from beta phase 4.

They are saying in P4 they can wipe the characters if they deem it necessarily. Like if someone found some exploits that let you dupe items, gil, power level super fast anything that could be considered game braking.

Ever hear of the guy in Everquest 2 who made over $35k exploiting a bug he found that let him dupe gold didn't share it or make a bug report sold tons of gold to gold seller sites and various people.

So stuff can happen that would require them to wipe everything.

They will just import the saves from 1.11 like they originally said, and give us the possibility to create/design our chars allready in the beta.

Pls stop giving ppl wrong hope about their progress getting transfered beta -> release cause this won't happen. It's each time the same stupid question when a beta comes up, and it is always the same result.

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Originally Posted by moriandrio

They will just import the saves from 1.11 like they originally said, and give us the possibility to create/design our chars allready in the beta.

Pls stop giving ppl wrong hope about their progress getting transfered beta -> release cause this won't happen. It's each time the same stupid question when a beta comes up, and it is always the same result.

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That what i'm afraid ppl are thinking. And that what is going on right now.

What I believe is that:

In phase 4: People will create new character -> In release: If they dont register/pay their character within certain time, It will be deleted.

Eventually a Final Fantasy XIV representative will show up and clear this mess up..

/wait

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

Eventually a Final Fantasy XIV representative will show up and clear this mess up..

/wait

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They already have.

"At the commencement of the beta test, players will need to create new characters for testing purposes. At the end of phase 3, this character data will be wiped. From phase 4 onward, players will be permitted to retain their character data and carry it over to the official release version. However, depending on the circumstances, character data may still need to be wiped, so please bear this in mind. We will notify players in advance should this become necessary."

Please read more at Beta application info page
http://entry.ffxiv.com/beta/detail_en.html

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Originally Posted by Radacci

They already have.

"At the commencement of the beta test, players will need to create new characters for testing purposes. At the end of phase 3, this character data will be wiped. From phase 4 onward, players will be permitted to retain their character data and carry it over to the official release version. However, depending on the circumstances, character data may still need to be wiped, so please bear this in mind. We will notify players in advance should this become necessary."

Please read more at Beta application info page
http://entry.ffxiv.com/beta/detail_en.html

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Yes i've already read that, and also even quoted the very thing you have. The question proposed here is not answered within that statement..

The question is what is considered "Character Data?"

(im typing the same thing i already have..)

Is character data referring to "features" and "looks" data

-If its just the features and looks (which most likely it is) then progression data will not be carried over into the retail version of FFXIV:ARR, like every other MMO's beta testing.

or is it referring to features, looks and also "progression" data..

-If its referring to both (which highly it is not) then whoever deleted FFXIV 1.0 will not have character data transferred over into ARR. (via Triairy's comment, and other statements made by other reps/devs.)

So what this boils down to is are they using the same term for multiple things (character data=progression data and features data)

Also, the real question proposed is,
"Will our progress be saved through onto retail, or will just our 1.0 data be carried over into retail"

I am not answering the question, I defining it. The information is obviously not clear because they say "make sure you save your data in your document files so it can be imported during beta character creation." also most MMO's do not allow you to carry your character data over into retail.

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

I believe we all know what the beta schedule road map states

"- Characters created during this phase will be carried over to the official release."
and
"* Circumstance may necessitate the deletion of character data"

But what OP is asking is.. something along the lines of what this is saying.

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

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Originally Posted by Triairy

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"However, before the official service start we will be releasing a benchmark software which allows character creation which can import ver 1.x character data. So if you would like to import your data, please remember to keep the character data stored in FFXIV folder under My Documents > My Games > FINAL FANTASY XIV (default)"

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One can assume character progress while another could assume character feature data (used in the character creation screen.) What the OP is asking is which.. Will we be keeping our character feature data, and our progress data, or just our feature data?

(because as you saw Triairy is referring to character data being just the characters feature data.)

If they are the same:
If they are in fact the same thing, (all the data is both progress and features) then whoever deleted FFXIV 1.0 will not keep their progress. In which case, there will be a major rage fest unleashed. (because Yoshida gave the "ok" to delete the FFXIV 1.0 client, which contained the data as did Triairy in his OP.)

If They are different:
If they are different then its only character feature data, meaning what you are importing is just the features or "looks" of the character not its progress data. Thus, whoever deleted FFXIV 1.0 client is safe, except they cannot import data for the benchmark (which isnt a big deal) but this also means that the data referred to as "character data" in the ARR schedule is just the "feature" and "looks" data used during character creation (not its progression being carried over into release.)

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

Yes i've already read that, and also even quoted the very thing you have. The question proposed here is not answered within that statement..

The question is what is considered "Character Data"

(im typing the same thing i already have..)

Is character data referring to "features" and "looks" data

-If its just the features and looks (which most likely it is) then progression data will not be carried over into the retail version of FFXIV:ARR, like every other MMO's beta testing (including FFXIV 1.0)

or is it referring to features, looks and also "progression" data..

-If its referring to both (which highly it is not) then whoever deleted FFXIV 1.0 will not have character data transferred over into ARR. (via Triairy's comment, and other statements made by other reps/devs.)

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And i answered that already also :)
Do they really need to spell out that you will keep char looks, level, items, progression?
And progression isn't saved on computer. Can you imagine formatting computer, coming back to game, and all your progression is gone? really? im pretty sure that even if you deleted your SE account, your progression data would still be there. Even if you delete your char in game, the progression data is still there, since they can restore deleted chars.
I dunno why people over analyze the whole thing for the sake of being pessimistic.
If they state that char data will be carried over, then there's no reason to nitpick the whole thing, and think they only mean looks; it would be retarded if they only save looks, since it only takes a few min to make a char.

As a computer scientist I consider character data as everything stored in the database about your character. So this includes your progress. Since SE did not give specific details on what will be saved then I'm 99% sure it's going to be this way. If SE needs to change the database schema may need to delete the character data, this is what the warning is about.

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Originally Posted by Pseudopsia

As a computer scientist I consider character data as everything stored in the database about your character. So this includes your progress. Since SE did not give specific details on what will be saved then I'm 99% sure it's going to be this way. If SE needs to change the database schema may need to delete the character data, this is what the warning is about.

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So again.... what is Triairy referring to then? He said:

"please remember to keep the character data stored in FFXIV folder under My Documents > My Games > FINAL FANTASY XIV (default)"

So .. do I have to ask the question again? >.>

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

So again.... what is Triairy referring to then? He said:

"please remember to keep the character data stored in FFXIV folder under My Documents > My Games > FINAL FANTASY XIV (default)"

So .. do I have to ask the question again? >.>

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i only see torrent downloads, empty login folder, screenshot folder, config files there.
so i really have no clue

Stuff like macros or Interface are stored there.

But i allready see alot or rage coming up at release when ppl figure out that progression wasn't saved like it always happens.

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

So again.... what is Triairy referring to then? He said:

"please remember to keep the character data stored in FFXIV folder under My Documents > My Games > FINAL FANTASY XIV (default)"

So .. do I have to ask the question again? >.>

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This is for the new benchmark so you can see your character in the benchmark. When you log into your character it saves details about your character to your hard drive that was copied from your server's database. The full character data is actually stored in database for your server.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

And i answered that already also :)
Do they really need to spell out that you will keep char looks, level, items, progression?
And progression isn't saved on computer. Can you imagine formatting computer, coming back to game, and all your progression is gone? really? im pretty sure that even if you deleted your SE account, your progression data would still be there. Even if you delete your char in game, the progression data is still there, since they can restore deleted chars.
I dunno why people over analyze the whole thing for the sake of being pessimistic.
If they state that char data will be carried over, then there's no reason to nitpick the whole thing, and think they only mean looks; it would be retarded if they only save looks, since it only takes a few min to make a char.

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.... LOL I said I'm not answering the question. I was clarifying it because 90% of the people here keep going back and forth. You have gone back and forth with me for 2 pages of the forum already. I'm sorry if this is so confusing to people. One person asked one thing, I clearly redefined the question using quotes from SE reps themselves.

I did not answer the question. It was my hope that people, once reading the clarified question would no longer quote the Beta Schedule, something that im sure most everyone here as read, if not multiple times.

Me personally, i was also under the impression that any progression data that was attained during beta would be transferred into ARR. After reading Triairy's post, it makes the information that much more unclear. I still personally feel that what Triairy was referring to was a template that you can upload. We all know the info is saved on the server as well, considering on Nov. 1st the final save was made, and any data that was attained after Nov. 1st will not be carried over into ARR..

If you still dont get it, I dont know how else to say it im sorry :(
(again you'll need a rep)

I believe Triairy is talking about the saved templates you could have if you choose to when designing your characters appearance. O.o

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Originally Posted by Babydoll

I believe Triairy is talking about the saved templates you could have if you choose to when designing your characters appearance. O.o

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Originally Posted by Pseudopsia

This is for the new benchmark so you can see your character in the benchmark. When you log into your character it saves details about your character to your hard drive that was copied from your server's database. The full character data is actually stored in database for your server.

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Exactly my words.. thank you.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

i only see torrent downloads, empty login folder, screenshot folder, config files there.
so i really have no clue

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I have a whole slew of stuff. Hopefully you'll be able to still upload your character for the benchmark. If not then its not that big of a deal :P

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

I have a whole slew of stuff. Hopefully you'll be able to still upload your character for the benchmark. If not then its not that big of a deal :P

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ya, no big deal :) dunno how it would work anyways; can we see inv, and equip char in benchmark? otherwise im sure we can see them in AFs anyways?
as long as i can see score ^^ may buy new graphic card if it's crappy otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

ya, no big deal :) dunno how it would work anyways; can we see inv, and equip char in benchmark? otherwise im sure we can see them in AFs anyways?
as long as i can see score ^^ may buy new graphic card if it's crappy otherwise.

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I'm certain if you were even running FFXIV 1.0 then you wont need to upgrade anything for FFXIV:ARR
/cheer

(as for your question about the benchmark i'm not sure how it will work. They didnt make a statement, or at least I havent seen one.)

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

I'm certain if you were even running FFXIV 1.0 then you wont need to upgrade anything for FFXIV:ARR
/cheer

(as for your question about the benchmark i'm not sure how it will work. They didnt make a statement, or at least I havent seen one.)

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ya haha. i had quite low settings. with max settings i had like 1 frame/MIN. I would like to play in max settings with good FPS, cause it's boring to play in low settings.