how does keeping *something* for players who want a challenge result in NOBODY playing the MMO? that doesn't even make sense. it doesn't even detract from the fact that the vast majority of the content is already specifically geared toward casuals. right now the only real challenges in the entire game are rivenroad hard, ifrit extreme and a couple of the relic faction leves. that's it. the rest is cake and can easily be pugged, and people are pugging the 'hard' stuff, too. i don't get your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elexia
why does it need tuning? relic isn't designed for everyone, much less for everyone to acquire in a short timeframe. the entire point is to give hardcore players something to work toward in the short-to-mid term, and to give midcore and some extremely dedicated casuals something to work for long term. and considering the entirety of the questline can be repeated in a couple days after you knock out your seals, what's the problem?Quote:
Originally Posted by Elexia
as far as hamlet, no, it's not difficult. 60k runs themselves are easy. but you can still test your skill. do 150k damage as blm in hyrstmill. do 135k damage as drg in golden bazaar. yes, it's possible. no, it isn't easy. why do you think people care about doing 170 dps on miser's mistress? because the fight is faceroll easy so we give ourselves oru own little challenges to stay busy with in the meantime.
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10-13-2012, 03:35 AMfusional
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10-13-2012, 03:47 AMZantetsukenTrue,Quote:
Originally Posted by Raikki
I should have said that the seal system was intended as a limit on how many players could obtain relics per server over time.
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10-13-2012, 03:58 AMNeptune
You know at first I was surprised by your like.. feelings but not only do I agree with your assessment, well that's how it was designed. It was designed just to reward people who have a lot of time. If you want to talk about skill, that's a whole separate appeal.
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10-13-2012, 04:11 PMJynx
....oh god I think I just lost braincells reading that post. Not cool Yuri...
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10-13-2012, 04:25 PMYuriSanRelax buddy. take a loda off, put your feet up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jynx
Understand what i mean along with that comic relief.
btw. I keep loosing braincells everytime this idiotic statementpops in these forums by some fellow...Quote:
Originally Posted by fusional
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10-13-2012, 05:27 PMRaikki
Relic isn't designed for everyone. I wasn't aware that was a controversial statement. Going with Yoshi's amusement park analogy for a moment: relics are the EXTREME roller coaster. Skirmish is the teacup ride. You can't have an amusement park that JUST has teacup rides or JUST has extreme coasters. It's really not a difficult concept.
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10-13-2012, 10:26 PMElexiaFunny thing is everyone has the option to ride the 'extreme roller coaster' as all they have to do is get in line or pay for it or etc if they chose to, but in terms of relics, you can get in line for the extreme roller coaster if you want but the line will randomly get longer while you're in it and more drawn out for no reason and you'll have to get into 3 different lines just to get to the roller coaster, meanwhile there's only 1 line that takes you straight to the teacup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raikki
Relics aren't for everyone, but that doesn't change the fact the Hamlet Defense step is unnecessary and a waste of time even unrelated to Relic. They wouldn't be overhauling it if it was how they wanted it to be. -
10-14-2012, 01:08 AMRaikkiThe Hamlet Defense step itself isn't "unnecessary and a waste of time" any more than making us do caravan, behest, and spiritbond. It's just that the Hamlet Defense itself in the current version is soulsuckingly boring after your 10th run or so. Fix the tedium and it'll be fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elexia