The Downfall of 2.0

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Originally Posted by morpheus

Leveling up in gw2 is a lot more fun than ffxiv. Actually it's been the most enjoyable way to level that i have seen in an mmo so far. Go around exploring the world and leveling up at the same time. Not grinding the same mob or same style quest over and over.

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While it was fun for the first week once I hit 80 and looked around there was nothing to do ><

Troll thread. I'm just gonna leave this here...

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

wiping previous player data would be the downfall. Nobody wants to lose work. Why should they?

And there's nothing inherently wrong with the Market Wards. After all the updates, it isn't even much different from an auction house.

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I have to disagree with this based on the fact that the MW put in a soft cap on how many people can sell in a city. Right now I had to set up my retainers in LL because there is no room anywhere in the Ul Dah MW. Its a pretty big deal when you dont have an equal opportunity to sell to the biggest market due to limitations like retainers. An AH would allow anybody to sell anything anywhere without having to worry about slapping down a retainer.

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Originally Posted by Javino

They didn't wipe all previous player data for the launch and insisted on keeping the Market Wards.

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Its things like this that help me understand why they are creating new servers and why they arent allowing 2.0 chrs to transfer, at least until they can build their own economy. despite all the complaining, smart move Yoshi-P.

What if you got to keep all items snd gear and only your levels were wiped. Gotta relearn anyway. Also I think those if us with multiple 50s run the risk of getting bored and then ruining the game with whining on the forums and ppl who do things based solely on word of mouth won't even try the game for themselves. Should they wipe I say no. If somehow some wild thing happens and they wipe on accident will I quit? Again no because I want to experience 2.0 like a new game.

If ppl want to put 1.0 truly behind them then all we have done in the past should stay there as well.

Just a different way to look at it.

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Originally Posted by Javino

They didn't wipe all previous player data for the launch and insisted on keeping the Market Wards.

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From the list of roughly 9999 reasons 2.0 could potentially fail... Those 2 are not on that list. Why?
1) new players get there own servers, separate from current players
2) market wards as bad as they are EVEN now are not game braking

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Originally Posted by Mook_Mook

To be honest wiping character data would probably be the best thing to do. Since they working from the ground up with this game. Most people will not experince the early game content, and go straight to end game.

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Because of this SE give us a new class

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Originally Posted by Meatdawg

lolCrystal tower wont be ready at launch

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Your datas are out of date

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I see, so the Crystal Tower itself is a large scale content. When will this be released?
Y: We are planning at the launch of FFXIV 2.0 There are many players at level 50 so for them I would like this to be the first goal.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post797557

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AV and CC are being run to death atm, everyone has full sets of DL rotting on their retainers..

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Everyone?
Make a pic with 20 people in full DL set or it never happened

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Originally Posted by indira

simple fix just delete your character and make a new one.

if SE wiped 2 years worth of work that would of been the down fall.

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SE wipes the 10,000 or so people who play..but they gain over 300k...I wonder how that weighs in for them?

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Originally Posted by Meatdawg

AV and CC are being run to death atm, everyone has full sets of DL rotting on their retainers..

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You sure about that, i mean sure sure!! I know don't have even 1 DL item in my inventory.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

SE wipes the 10,000 or so people who play..but they gain over 300k...I wonder how that weighs in for them?

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Depends if you ask the 10k who spent the last 2 years with the game during the rough parts, or the 300k which only sign up for 3 months, and move on like a fart leaving you pants.

It is clear that gear changes are minimal. Some special gear is uncraftable. Some unsellable. Prices are deflated. Item slots change. Market is pretty much the same.

I don't see a problem. BTW Beta will not reveal all. There are many changes between Beta and AAR.

The server problem is real. If not enough people are playing at one time then many things become impossible to do. That could kill the player base. Too much emphasis of multiplayer tasks is a problem now. No one likes to yel for two days in Ul'dah for a party. Right now I can't get anyone to do Caravan. And the last few runs at Atmos had only a few people show up. Who wants to wait 8 hours for the players to come on-line. Yes. Regional servers may kill the game. And Multiple isolated servers is already a problem.

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

You sure about that, i mean sure sure!! I know don't have even 1 DL item in my inventory.

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It's typical MMO mentality. "I have this and that so it's clearly very easy and common."

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Originally Posted by Elexia

SE wipes the 10,000 or so people who play..but they gain over 300k...I wonder how that weighs in for them?

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The stink that the wiped players would raise would be large enough to cost them there potential players. Good news tends to move at the speed of molasses in the middle of winter. Bad and particularly juicy news moves at the speed of Goose poop through a greased up tin horn.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

It's typical MMO mentality. "I have this and that so it's clearly very easy and common."

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Some people farm in game, some people farm the message boards..

its the end of the world!!!!!! the colors......THE COLORS!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by PinkiePie

How many relic weapons do you have? You seem to be the troll here, not me. You don't even have a single relic weapon so obviously you don't even play this game or lack the experience to properly discuss these integral topics about in game issues. Hence, you are a troll and a weeaboo.

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I lol'd.

10/10

How many friends do you have? You seem to be the sad brony freak here, not me. Hence, fuck off, clown.

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Originally Posted by Meatdawg

lolCrystal tower wont be ready at launch

AV and CC are being run to death atm, everyone has full sets of DL rotting on their retainers..

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There's plenty of people who've been farming AV and CC since it's release and have yet to finish off full DL sets -- Everyone knows even with speed runs DL can be a stingy drop due to the extreme RNG. No one can deny this so I chalk up your post as sarcasm.

Let's not forget Hamlet; Unless you want to spend millions you're at the mercy of RNG as well.

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Originally Posted by Forerunner

I lol'd.

10/10

How many friends do you have? You seem to be the sad brony freak here, not me. Hence, fuck off, clown.

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0, there's a reason MLP is only popular with 4chan and hentai sites.

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Originally Posted by PinkiePie

How many relic weapons do you have? ... You don't even have a single relic weapon so obviously you don't even play this game or lack the experience to properly discuss these integral topics about in game issues...

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And thus Pinkie has established a new rule of the forums. Players, if you have not acquired a relic weapon you are no longer allowed to post on these boards or discuss in-game issues.

Everyone better adhere to this newly developed rule or the elitists will hunt you down and kill your kittens.

LOUD NOISES!!!!

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Originally Posted by Felis

Your datas are out of date

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post797557

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Just because a post over 40 days ago says it is "planned" doesn't mean it's confirmed. I remember Yoshi saying it wont make release but will come shortly after with an update. It will also be just a few floors, so sadly i see it being half assed like Hamlet is.

Crystal Tower
The Crystal Tower is a popular location from Final Fantasy III, however in A Realm Reborn it will be presented as a new type of raid dungeon that is completely unique in design. Originally in the Final Fantasy III version of the Crystal Tower you could not save your progress, however because this is an MMORPG changes need to be made so it can be enjoyable for all players. At the launch of A Realm Reborn the Crystal Tower will be the first goal for many high level characters, though it may take a long time to complete. The Crystal Tower is broken into phases that are completed individually, and as you progress through each phase you ascend higher and higher into the Tower. As updates are launched for A Realm Reborn, more phases will be added to the Crystal Tower, increasing the height of the tower and adding more challenges.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

There's plenty of people who've been farming AV and CC since it's release and have yet to finish off full DL sets -- Everyone knows even with speed runs DL can be a stingy drop due to the extreme RNG. No one can deny this so I chalk up your post as sarcasm.

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I know a few Link Shells that have nothing else to do then farm AV CC daily. When i say farm, i don't mean log in for 2 hour and have 3 failed runs and 1 good one. (90% of the outspoken forum trolls)

You would be surprised how many people have DL pieces for classes they don't play because there is nothing else to do.

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Originally Posted by PinkiePie

How many relic weapons do you have? You seem to be the troll here, not me. You don't even have a single relic weapon so obviously you don't even play this game or lack the experience to properly discuss these integral topics about in game issues. Hence, you are a troll and a weeaboo.

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Wait WHAT? A relic is needed to know one's foot from one's mouth? Which reminds me of something.
"Rich man: You're a smart man. Why aren't you rich?
Smart man: You're a rich man. Why aren't you smart?"

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

Wait WHAT? A relic is needed to know one's foot from one's mouth? Which reminds me of something.
"Rich man: You're a smart man. Why aren't you rich?
Smart man: You're a rich man. Why aren't you smart?"

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http://www.faniq.com/images/blog/aYKxg.gif

I could have sworn there was going to be BOTH a market wards, and an actual AH?

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Originally Posted by Javino

All I'm saying is, there's a big deal being made about balance and restructuring. If they've practically made a whole new game, what's better to balance than starting everyone from the start. Also, everytime you start a new game, do you not begin with the bare minimum? As for past players (including myself), we've all played to this point and had fun. If you're gonna whine because all your stuff is gone, then get over it, people lose data in some form or another everyday. I'm also not saying the game will fail, I'm clearly stating we'll just see this come full circle again :)

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This makes about as much sense as saying everytime someone new joins the game. Everyone should have their character info wiped to preserve "balance." It's not fair that the new player would have to play catch-up with every else.

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Originally Posted by Gentaro

Yea doing random questevents with dozens of people without communicating with anyone else. MMOs should encourage people to do things together - i don't want a Massively Multiplayer Online Single Player Role Play Game.
Oh,i just found a proper description for the MMOs past wow-release - MMOSPRPG

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Yep, I made it all the way to 70 just moving from zone to zone. I have made 0 friends and I'm just progressing solo. This was week 1, so I have no idea how it is now since I'm on a break from it. I was sold on mmo's at the thought of adventuring side by side with others. I like GW2, so if FFXIV ARR can employ it's quest leveling system and promote comradery, it could be good.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

SE wipes the 10,000 or so people who play..but they gain over 300k...I wonder how that weighs in for them?

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Wait what? Why would you go with an option that sacrifices 10,000 in order to gain 30,000 when an option exists that would allow them to retain the 10,000 and gain 30,000? This makes no sense.

If you're saying that by keeping the 10,000 they would not gain the 30,000 I would enjoy reading the argument.

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Originally Posted by Javino

They didn't leave player bazaars.

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fixed it for you

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Originally Posted by Javino

They didn't wipe all previous player data for the launch and insisted on keeping the Market Wards.

The End.

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I'm pretty positive that the Market Wards will function exactly like an AH now in 2.0 and wiping character data? Are you ****ing stupid? They are having new servers which old players won't be able to transfer at the start, but why would they punish the current player base who stuck around and helped pave the way for 2.0? Think before you type unless you are trying to become the next Rokien.

Don't think your opinion is true about the game failing. Like many have said new players will have their own server. MW didn't kill the game. Lack of content did. Someone mention that regional servers will, and I would have to agree with that statement.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

Market wards will suck unless they are completly redone, but they are not game breaking.

In my eye 4 things are threatening to kill off 2.0.

1) Regional Servers if the population in all regions is not large enough to support a game where it only functions 8 hrs a day. IF there is only 1000ppl online a day... the server economy will crash and the game will more or less die out quickly even if it is strong in other areas... see Aion.

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Here I think it depends on how large the population gets. A US based server may not be the first choice for a Japanese player or vice versa, but it might be the only choice if the local servers are full. We'll have to see how this plays out over the next year. I think their reasoning is that because you can choose to flag up across multiple servers and play with people outside your region its still a multinational community, but having local servers would provide advantages to the players in those regions. You could actually see Japanese players choose US servers for the simple reason that there will be less competition for content during their own prime time hours.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

3) Lack of Endgame
4) Extreme casualness. What is killing WoW off. Listening to the playerbase is good caving into them is the worst thing ever. The customer very seldom is 100% right, honestly I will go as far as saying the customer is never right. Company need to listen but not blatantly do what the masses demand or you get clones and dull/insta-win/no innovation content.

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The Relic weapon quests give me hope that they will be adding content that appeals to people who want content that takes a lot of time and effort to obtain. I see the current weapons as more akin to XI's AF than XI's Relic. Hopefully when we get to the higher level tiers we will start to see game changing items akin to Excalibur and Morrigans. Currently I think the games architecture prevents them from adding instances more like the dynamis areas, so we got small dungeons to hold us over. The fact that they are removing them seems to me an indication that they aren't in line with the type of content they want in 2.0.

Have they confirmed the level cap is still 50 for 2.0?

yeah, at some point after they will raise it, probably not for awhile though. they should of went with at least 1 more new class at launch though for the noobs and all 50's to go level together with.

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Originally Posted by strallaalaa

yeah, at some point after they will raise it, probably not for awhile though. they should of went with at least 1 more new class at launch though for the noobs and all 50's to go level together with.

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Launch in ~6months in to the future... who when NA beta, 2.0 release rolls around they may have a hole team of new classes/jobs on the field.

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Originally Posted by Esk

Now now, Keep calm.
You'll only get over excited or over excite other people anyway...

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I'm usually calm. I just have a potty mouth. :S

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Originally Posted by strallaalaa

yeah, at some point after they will raise it, probably not for awhile though. they should of went with at least 1 more new class at launch though for the noobs and all 50's to go level together with.

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They are adding level sync at launch if memory serves.

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Originally Posted by morpheus

Leveling up in gw2 is a lot more fun than ffxiv. Actually it's been the most enjoyable way to level that i have seen in an mmo so far. Go around exploring the world and leveling up at the same time. Not grinding the same mob or same style quest over and over.

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oh, okay. so what are your options exactly? heart quest. "live event" (basically a heart quest that randomly pops up). story quest (basically a heart quest that involves your storyline). crafting. map completion.

and map completion gives an okay xp boost but the xp/hour compared to the other options is pretty awful. so generally you're stuck... what's the word...

...grinding? lol yep. grinding the same style quest over and over. that's reality, bub. no amount of marketing buzzword hype can change that.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

SE wipes the 10,000 or so people who play..but they gain over 300k...I wonder how that weighs in for them?

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we call this fallacy a false dilemma.

I plan on starting a fresh character because I want to experience ARR from the start. However, I have every intention of keeping my current character so I can help out with higher end shtuff if needed.

I want to be able to answer noob questions down the road (love answering noob questions, even if it's one asked a bajillion times and painfully obvious, because typing is so easy and it typically scores me a 'Thanks!' totally selfish here X3 ), and it would be hard for me to do that if I haven't gone through it from the exact same starting gate as the new players will.

My only concern is whether I'll be able to have my old character, my new character, and a friend I recently got interested in ARR, all on the same server at launch, or not >_>

The downfall of this game will be if SE kowtows to all the whining in the forums. as long as the recognize when to ignore and when to consider fan critique (and i think they are doing a good job so far) then this will be a successful game. they already seem to understand that bringing more elements from other FF's is a good way to go.

If SE's choices cause some of the more vocal and aggressive posters to quit, all the better. i would rather not play with those people anyway.

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Originally Posted by Seig345

I plan on starting a fresh character because I want to experience ARR from the start. However, I have every intention of keeping my current character so I can help out with higher end shtuff if needed.

I want to be able to answer noob questions down the road (love answering noob questions, even if it's one asked a bajillion times and painfully obvious, because typing is so easy and it typically scores me a 'Thanks!' totally selfish here X3 ), and it would be hard for me to do that if I haven't gone through it from the exact same starting gate as the new players will.

My only concern is whether I'll be able to have my old character, my new character, and a friend I recently got interested in ARR, all on the same server at launch, or not >_>

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This guy is the kind of player i would look forward to gaming with, not the "y u nooo have relics?!? y u no think game is ur life!?!"