Free Company Information

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Originally Posted by Delsus

Please please reconsider that limit, if Free Companies will be taking the place of current Linkshells and linkshells will become nothing more than chat channels we will have the same issues with Free Companies as we currently have with Linkshells, a large limit or unlimited spots in a Free Company will be a lot better.

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I think making the LS cap much higher would do just as well. A Free Company is a guild which is meant to be tight, and with unlimited spaces Free Company leaders and those who have permission would invite every person on the street trying to make the most "facebook" friends they've never known.

I think you could even make the FC limit smaller to really havae that clan kin feeling. Though for ease of transition I would think making the FC limit the current (1.0) maximum for LS and then make the LS maximum (2.0) much larger.

You can't really go on an inviting spree for Free Companies... considering any player can only belong to one Free Company alone.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

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Feels weird you can create a LS from thin air but a Free Company needs permission from a "non" free (grand) company.

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It makes perfect sense, just let you mind go... except it and embrace it! Let the force flow through you and the power of the universe will reveal itself to you....

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Good evening!

Ogre Okipuit here with a bit more information and clarification about Free Companies!

As you may have heard, you'll need at least 4 people to create a free company and of course you can add more over time. We haven't finalized the details yet, but we're planning on allowing at least 100 members to join an FC.

As for the relationship between grand companies and free companies:

• By requesting permission from a grand company, a free company can become a subsidiary of that grand company.
• Despite the fact that free companies are subsidiaries of grand companies, you do not need to be members from the same Grand Company in order to found or join an FC.

We also plan on making it possible to place your free company's crest on certain equipment.

Current LS features will be carried on to Free Companies and it will be possible to delegate leader rights. As for Linkshells, in A Realm Reborn they will be treated as chat channels.

Note: Sorry about the post misfire earlier! :(

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I do thing that the prerequisites are very fair. Way to go FFXIV devs, this is very good structuring.

Player A [LL,Maelstrom]>>> founds Free Company<insert name here>
Party or Linkshell members are:
>> ~Player B [Grid.,TwinAdder]
>>>>> set privileges...
>>>>>> <Player FC Rank>
~(possible to invite?)

>> ~Player C [Uldah,ImmortalFlames]
>>>>> set privileges...
>>>>>> <Player FC Rank>
~(possible to invite?)

>> ~Player D~Z[any city/ grand company]
>>>>> set privileges...
>>>>>> <Player FC Rank>

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Originally Posted by PSxpert2011

It makes perfect sense, just let you mind go... except it and embrace it! Let the force flow through you and the power of the universe will reveal itself to you....

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lol! +1'd XD

According to the 2.0 document features of FC will be released through phases, I wonder what all will be available to us in the first few phases (ranks, guildbank (said to be released later- in the document), summons, ect, ect). Being this SE first real guild (that I know of) its exciting to see if they will try to push the edge for what guilds mean and do. (Obviously giving guilds powerful summons is a unique step compared to the average mmo)

Can you please not consider the input of people who don't play with large groups? On my server alone, there's the Something Awful and Reddit linkshells which are nearly constantly breaking shells and reforming or making splinter shells just to stay viable. I really don't care what people in small social LSes think, having to fight arbitrary and extremely low limitations all the time is annoying and frustrating, and makes it difficult to properly build a community.

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Originally Posted by BotenAnna

Can you please not consider the input of people who don't play with large groups? On my server alone, there's the Something Awful and Reddit linkshells which are nearly constantly breaking shells and reforming or making splinter shells just to stay viable. I really don't care what people in small social LSes think, having to fight arbitrary and extremely low limitations all the time is annoying and frustrating, and makes it difficult to properly build a community.

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Breaking and Splintering, sounds like a good community lol. Keep in mind regardless of FC size you can alliance yourself with other FC. Which will keep managing numbers easier. Managing a guild of a 50+ actives is already like having another real life job - put that shit on your résumé. Even having only 10 people talk at once makes reading guild chat insane, I dont see why people would want 100+ people unless they plan on inviting people like they do on Facebook (or want to have a collection of inactives).

Though I think for being able to move from LS to FC seamlessly (1.0 players) they should make the limit on FC the same as 1.0's LS limit.

Also to reiterate what SE has already said. LS will become chat channels, if you want to social network- use a LS ("Chat Channels"). FC are more like your statics, being a part of them has tangible benefits.

I think people missed the AT LEAST part of how many people can join. So there's the potential for it to be more.

As far as inviting sprees go, I think people will be a bit more selective about who they invite to a FC than a LS since you can only belong to one. We all know there are those members of an LS who are really casual or just not good players. Things like that will be taken into consideration for inviting to end game FCs since they will have some kind of member cap, and recruitment into them is likely going to include people from multiple linkshells to try to form a solid group of people.

/cough /cough.....ehem. "Why you no put gil in FC bank?" ..."We need Donations"...."We need more gears!" ...."why no more food?"...."hold up, hold up, which one of you guys ate the last buttons in a blanket huh?"...oh man, i hope not in 2.0

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Originally Posted by Shougun

I think making the LS cap much higher would do just as well. A Free Company is a guild which is meant to be tight, and with unlimited spaces Free Company leaders and those who have permission would invite every person on the street trying to make the most "facebook" friends they've never known.

I think you could even make the FC limit smaller to really havae that clan kin feeling. Though for ease of transition I would think making the FC limit the current (1.0) maximum for LS and then make the LS maximum (2.0) much larger.

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Not necessarily a lot of people will mainly want decent players so they can win events. FFXI had a farely high LS cap and people would get kicked for not pulling their weight, applications designed to see how capable applicants are etc.

Limits will just cause this situation, someone's friend joins the game, and gets level 50, tries to join a friend's FC, "Oh sorry we are full" what do you do then? we can only have 1 FC, both join a LS, but you could be doing an event when your friend wants to do something.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

Not necessarily a lot of people will mainly want decent players so they can win events. FFXI had a farely high LS cap and people would get kicked for not pulling their weight, applications designed to see how capable applicants are etc.

Limits will just cause this situation, someone's friend joins the game, and gets level 50, tries to join a friend's FC, "Oh sorry we are full" what do you do then? we can only have 1 FC, both join a LS, but you could be doing an event when your friend wants to do something.

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I'm not sure exactly what you are trying to say. But I said make the new 2.0 LS have higher limit because as SE said they are chat channels now.

And yes people get kicked for not being active or good but they usually get invited willy nilly until that particular guild has problems with too much trash. Then they go into a cleaning spree and it can hurt relations. Making people think harder I was saying may be a good idea.


If you remove the cap you are going to have serious problems in distributions of players and guilds, FC will lose their seeded meanings. Of course making it too small will cause frustrations as well, not going to argue with that.

I dont think the cap shouldn't be going much past if at all near 200 though.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Being this SE first real guild (that I know of) its exciting to see if they will try to push the edge for what guilds mean and do. (Obviously giving guilds powerful summons is a unique step compared to the average mmo)

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/choff
Guild housing
/choff

They're still gonna have linkshells for staying connected with lots and lots of people based on time zones and whatever.

However FCs are for more tight-knit groups that will spend most of their time playing together since yıou can only be in one FC. It will be your primary crew. Add the fact that alliances can be formed, and you already have enough reason to expect that most FCs won't even grow beyond 20 or so people.

I'm pretty sure they didn't put much thought into their cap of 100+. The thought process was probably more like "Hmm.. what value can we set the cap at so that players pretty much won't have to worry about hitting it? 100? Sounds good."

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

They're still gonna have linkshells for staying connected with lots and lots of people based on time zones and whatever.

However FCs are for more tight-knit groups that will spend most of their time playing together since yıou can only be in one FC. It will be your primary crew. Add the fact that alliances can be formed, and you already have enough reason to expect that most FCs won't even grow beyond 20 or so people.

I'm pretty sure they didn't put much thought into their cap of 100+. The thought process was probably more like "Hmm.. what value can we set the cap at so that players pretty much won't have to worry about hitting it? 100? Sounds good."

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Yay someone else who doesnt think guilds = lose social groups, where you dont really know the people in it. I think they are thinking similar to this because in their examples they mention 8 people in the same FC working together. Its like a tip of the hat to static groups. The upper limit I believe is good just because I know some LS plan to full on convert into a FC - getting kicked out would suck.

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Originally Posted by Serielley

In the latest Live Letter, Yoshi-P had this to say about Free Companies:



I see some things here that like, (leveling your Free Company, shared storage, alliances, etc.) but I also see something that I'd really like clarification on from the devs.

Are Free Companies tied to the Grand Companies? Meaning, is it going to be required that all members of a Free Company belong to the same GC? Are we going to be able to have members be from all GCs? I'd really like to get some clarification on that, since if, for instance, all FC members have to be Maelstrom, or if our FC's allegiance is tied to just the Maelstrom that's going to make a lot of people in my LS upset. I also don't want to have to run 3 different FCs to accommodate all of my members.

I know that FCs won't be in the game at launch, and are coming soon after, but the more information we can get about them, the better. As a LS leader, I'm going to need to be able to plan in advance for my members, and I know I'm not the only one out there with concerns about how the new "guild" system in ARR is going to work.

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They clearly said that you do not have to be in the same GC to join a FC.

I have a too long/didn't read the thread Free Company question.

Can you start a free company with the required 4 characters, but coming from the same SE account.

See, my husband and I play, and it would be great if he could just shove the stuff he gathers into a shared vault so I can then use it to craft, instead of us trading 4 items at a time back and forth.

So, can I have 2 characters from my SE account, and 2 characters from his SE account form a Free Company?

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Breaking and Splintering, sounds like a good community lol. Keep in mind regardless of FC size you can alliance yourself with other FC. Which will keep managing numbers easier. Managing a guild of a 50+ actives is already like having another real life job - put that shit on your résumé. Even having only 10 people talk at once makes reading guild chat insane, I dont see why people would want 100+ people unless they plan on inviting people like they do on Facebook (or want to have a collection of inactives).

Though I think for being able to move from LS to FC seamlessly (1.0 players) they should make the limit on FC the same as 1.0's LS limit.

Also to reiterate what SE has already said. LS will become chat channels, if you want to social network- use a LS ("Chat Channels"). FC are more like your statics, being a part of them has tangible benefits.

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No, breaking the shell because there's no way to oust people who haven't logged in a long time due to terrible technical restrictions and forming splinter/additional shells because they fill up and you can't have more. The community is fine, other than having to deal with terrible restrictions that shouldn't be there in an online game in 2012.

And we run things just fine, thanks, just because organizing a large group is a challenge you don't feel you'd be up for doesn't mean that others aren't.

And otherwise as for everyone else thinking that 100 is a "reasonable" limit, remember that other people play games for different reasons and for different experiences than you, and it's pretty terrible to run your mouth about how you think everyone should be forced to fit your vision. Some of us like to be in and run gigantic megaguilds, others don't. I'd be equally against content that was incredibly biased toward large guilds over small ones because there's something to be said for all sizes of guild.

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Originally Posted by BotenAnna

No, breaking the shell because there's no way to oust people who haven't logged in a long time due to terrible technical restrictions and forming splinter/additional shells because they fill up and you can't have more. The community is fine, other than having to deal with terrible restrictions that shouldn't be there in an online game in 2012.

And we run things just fine, thanks, just because organizing a large group is a challenge you don't feel you'd be up for doesn't mean that others aren't.

And otherwise as for everyone else thinking that 100 is a "reasonable" limit, remember that other people play games for different reasons and for different experiences than you, and it's pretty terrible to run your mouth about how you think everyone should be forced to fit your vision. Some of us like to be in and run gigantic megaguilds, others don't. I'd be equally against content that was incredibly biased toward large guilds over small ones because there's something to be said for all sizes of guild.

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Lol they arent my caps, I'm just giving my reasons why SE is doing it.

Guilds = FC = tight knit community you play with frequently.

Link Shells = Chat Channels = ... chat channels.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Lol they arent my caps, I'm just giving my reasons why SE is doing it.

Guilds = FC = tight knit community you play with frequently.

Link Shells = Chat Channels = ... chat channels.

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Linkshells = tight knit community you play with frequently <,< = Guilds i see no change other than 4 leaders having a bigger inventory space than the non-leader of said guild

Can we now make a Trade LS for Uldah?

Guys... You can only be a part of one FC. The FC you belong to will be the crest you carry by your name. Linkshells will be simplified further as what they actually, technically, functioned as - a large set of linkpearls meant for communication.

So, yes... the vague mention of a cap over 100 is no problem at all. Especially with alliances.