PLEASE fix the older ARs

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Originally Posted by Dreadlime

How did people come to the conclusion that running the CT raids was most efficient? I keep seeing it said, but can't find anything to back it up.

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Time over rewards, the roulette pays out no matter what, and CT raids are the shortest AR in the game, it is a simple conclusion.

Do the rewards from the bosses make any difference, or are they negligible enough to ignore?

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Originally Posted by Dreadlime

Do the rewards from the bosses make any difference, or are they negligible enough to ignore?

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They are negligible unless you are on-level, without sync, like Nier raids pay out well if you are level 80-89, Myths raids pay out well if you are level 90-99, so on, there is also a quirk to it where if you have one of the preorder earrings, like Azeyma's Earring for the most recent one, it will take in account your sync'd level to buff XP rewards, rather than your actual level, so doing EW raids will always be doubled, this does make direct queing for Alliance Raids very good for leveling if you are in those ranges.

The kicker there is that there is plenty of people who are already max level on all jobs they care about leveling, and so the XP is pointless, they are doing roulettes for the tome rewards, 120 uncapped and 50 capped, which is nearly completely unaffected by what duty is actually done, only current expansion, Jeuno and Sand Oreo, will influence it in any way, so for those people, a 30+ minute Nier run is just not worth it, and since you can't re-lock raids, it is better for their interest to keep them locked in the long term, rather than the marginal increase of rewards they would give.

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Originally Posted by Dreadlime

Overleveling happens on data centers other than Dynamis. I was overleveled for most of the MSQ. I ended up rotating between jobs, partially because I wanted to try them but also to soak some of the surplus exp. Otherwise, I'd have hit 100 well before finishing Endwalker. Even for someone who goes out of their way to grab the unlocks as they go through msq, there's still some delay in completing the raid tiers.

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Aye, I imagine it can happen outside of Dynamis, I was just using it as the best example of this because a lot of people just don't seem to realize how much that data center skews and warps the new player experience, especially while leveling. I wasn't even done with ARR myself when I had plenty of jobs that were 70+ back in the day, or how I've barely started EW and have every job at 100 right now.

While I'm not inclined to do AR roulette myself anymore... it would be silly to lock some other level 100 from it until they've unlocked Myths AND Echoes when they could be filling queues for Mhach, Ivalice, and Nier in the meantime until they catch up in the MSQ and THEN the AR requirement goes up to make them go pick up Myths and Echoes.

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

Have you tried asking for help in PF or by shouting in cities? That's how I keep getting people to help when I'm on an alt or helping a friend do old stuff. I'll go to major city hubs and shout something like...

"Join Puppet's Bunker queue! Trying to get it for my friend and we need people! We'd really appreciate the help! Thank you!"

Just once per hub. Don't wanna make it annoying. It's a method that has yet to fail me.

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I had done all of this, shouts in every major city, on several servers.

Literally did everything a person could to fill a party (def not a DF/PF noob, so I know all the tricks; my friend's new, I'm not) and it still took a total of 9 hours (just queued in DF - another 2 in PF) to get Euphrosyne to pop, and then another 8 for Thaleia.
Add that to the 3 hours for Aglaia, and we're at 20-22 hours of waiting to finish a raid series that has a total playtime of around 5-6, if you're taking your time.
Not great.

I did Euphresyne on an alt less than a month ago and while I did have to wait 35 minutes, it did eventually fill.

There IS a glitch out there that a duty finder instance can get stuck for hours. I thought they had patched it, but you might have encountered a genuine bug.

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Originally Posted by KiraRavens

I'm European, and this was on Light (our busy one), so already where I figured we'd have the best chances - but thanks anyway!

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Don't give up. I had the same issue when I was trying to get the healer boots from Thaleia and it could take hours without the queue popping...

What's annoying is that you're trapped in the queue and cannot do most activities so if possible try to plan something to do while waiting.

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Originally Posted by Aco505

Don't give up. I had the same issue when I was trying to get the healer boots from Thaleia and it could take hours without the queue popping...

What's annoying is that you're trapped in the queue and cannot do most activities so if possible try to plan something to do while waiting.

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It's long done.
It's just incredibly frustrating to spend hours upon hours of waiting (almost a full work day of waiting per AR is crazy) - and this is especially true for newer players who are just starting on the extra content besides the MSQ and will lose interest in the game REALLY quickly because of it.
11 years worth of (even really cool) content means nothing if it's mostly annoying to get through. And all it would take is a few tweaks to make it comfortably playable again...

I think the only way to "fix" the alliance raid problem(for duty roulette at least) is is to separate the alliance raids into their own roulette BY EXPANSION, such as having CT being a part of the ARR alliance raid roulette, which also gives the devs the excuse to have high level dungeon/leveling roulettes based on expansion.

More daily roulettes means more rewards, which means more level ups for players have yet to hit the level cap on a job that want to play... BUT level sync in it's CURRENT state kind of sours the reward part by A LOT... and current roulette design is only designed for people to troll and point out how AWFUL the current design philosophy for jobs and leveling REALLY is...

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

The kicker there is that there is plenty of people who are already max level on all jobs they care about leveling, and so the XP is pointless, they are doing roulettes for the tome rewards, 120 uncapped and 50 capped, which is nearly completely unaffected by what duty is actually done, only current expansion, Jeuno and Sand Oreo, will influence it in any way, so for those people, a 30+ minute Nier run is just not worth it, and since you can't re-lock raids, it is better for their interest to keep them locked in the long term, rather than the marginal increase of rewards they would give.

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Interesting, so these people would rather sit through CT and just get roulette lvl 100 tomes, and not unlock the other ARs that give 80-120 uncapped tomes and 8-15 capped? Odd thought process, but okay. all CT raids only give poetics as default rewards when uncapped tomes are quite plentiful in any other AR.

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Originally Posted by Uzephi

Interesting, so these people would rather sit through CT and just get roulette lvl 100 tomes, and not unlock the other ARs that give 80-120 uncapped tomes and 8-15 capped? Odd thought process, but okay. all CT raids only give poetics as default rewards when uncapped tomes are quite plentiful in any other AR.

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Even if the math turned out worth, as of current patch, there are 17 Alliance Raids in the game, assuming an equal distribution, which is untrue even in a perfect system the lowest levels would be disproportionally represented simply because the requirements are lower, a majority of the time you would be getting the same or nothing from the raid itself depending how you see Poetics, every non-current expac Alliance Raid only gives Poetics after all, only Jeuno, Sand Oreo, and whatever the third one is called once it is released will give uncapped and capped tomes.

I am not saying I agree with that attitude, I have all Alliance Raids unlocked myself, I am just trying to explain where it comes from.

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

Even if the math turned out worth, as of current patch, there are 17 Alliance Raids in the game, assuming an equal distribution, which is untrue even in a perfect system the lowest levels would be disproportionally represented simply because the requirements are lower, a majority of the time you would be getting the same or nothing from the raid itself depending how you see Poetics, every non-current expac Alliance Raid only gives Poetics after all, only Jeuno, Sand Oreo, and whatever the third one is called once it is released will give uncapped and capped tomes.

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You might want to check duty finder again. Only ARR ARs give only poetics. For example, Mhach currently gives 60 mathematics and 8 mnemonics; Euphrosyne gives 100/12 for completion rewards. Bosses still only give poetics.

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Originally Posted by Uzephi

You might want to check duty finder again. Only ARR ARs give only poetics.

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Wait, damn, is that a recent change? I remember them only giving poetics back in EW when I actually looked at them in DF, I haven't needed to que into them directly since.

Still, doesn't change the core point that they are valuing time spent over anything else, if I had to guess they value capped tomes over anything else and the roulette is itself is 50, an additional 8-15 for like twice the time spent is seen as not worth it.

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

Wait, damn, is that a recent change? I remember them only giving poetics back in EW when I actually looked at them in DF, I haven't needed to que into them directly since.

Still, doesn't change the core point that they are valuing time spent over anything else, if I had to guess they value capped tomes over anything else and the roulette is itself is 50, an additional 8-15 for like twice the time spent is seen as not worth it.

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I would assume they only go for capped... Interesting... I mean, AR rou is, by itself, over half your weekly cap if you get the daily bonus daily. Everything else also spits out uncapped, so I guess I see the reason they don't care for those. I don't even do roulettes and hit weekly caap, so I guess this is for those players that dont... Actually... Play?

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Originally Posted by Uzephi

I would assume they only go for capped... Interesting... I mean, AR rou is, by itself, over half your weekly cap if you get the daily bonus daily. Everything else also spits out uncapped, so I guess I see the reason they don't care for those. I don't even do roulettes and hit weekly caap, so I guess this is for those players that dont... Actually... Play?

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Or play exclusively Savage and Ultimates, spend 30 minutes on roulettes, spend 5 hours in PF, probably get 2 pulls done in that timeframe if they are lucky.

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Originally Posted by Uzephi

I would assume they only go for capped... Interesting... I mean, AR rou is, by itself, over half your weekly cap if you get the daily bonus daily. Everything else also spits out uncapped, so I guess I see the reason they don't care for those. I don't even do roulettes and hit weekly caap, so I guess this is for those players that dont... Actually... Play?

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Personally I don't even have access to the vendors that use the newest tomes, so that's another reason I don't care about doing roulettes at level 100 or unlocking more to do within those roulettes.

Only the poetics matter to me for doing HW relics (and eventually to vendor off gear for company seals), and I can get those from other content I'd rather be doing.

My dream is still for the devs to just fully redesign CT into regular dungeons and plop them into Main Scenario. Right now I feel the only way AR will be "fixed" is to force another series for MSQ or dramatically retool the difficulties of all raids. Shoot, FFXIV Mobile opting to make CT 8-man raids could be a solution, too.

Or, god forbid, let us run the 24-mans unsync'd. One level 100 player could carry a small group of 50s through CT if they tweaked things like the Atomos sections.



The devs mentioned (threatened?) to make Eden required for MSQ, and Gaia being the FFXIV rep in the latest Dissidia makes me REALLY believe they are actually doing that for 8.0.