Premades should get a potency reduction per player in frontlines

I like idea of weekly reset.
If it is too little PvP engagement, they could make 2 roulette each week - one for rival wings, other for frontline.

I was thinking about contribution factors in the past too - they can be easily 'cheated' by spamming aoe, selfhealing when nothing is happening, just dotting everyone when to leech assists. It would promote behavior that is not beneficial for a win. On maps like Seal Rock, standing idle is sometimes the best too.

The problem arises that players get the roulette clear, even if they lose. So there is no incentive to win, as they get rewarded in any case.
The other problem, regarding events like moogle event is, that players get rewarded for 2nd and 3rd place too. Often pretty close to the 1st place reward, winning isn't that much more profitable, than losing. It is the same with series exp for a Crystalline conflict match - I think the difference is barely 200 series exp 700 vs 900. Between winning and losing, almost the same... So even if you lose all your games, you are only taking 20% more time than the person who wins all games. Which sounds sad, that wins are worth so little. I think it should be closer to 50% reduction to promote better PvP behavior.
If current time invest seems enough already, and we don't wanna increase it further, that would mean we simply boost only 1st place rewards more and leave 2nd 3rd place rewards untouched.

Well, it doesn't matter if PvE or PvP, you basically grief the party by going afk over extended time. Just when matches are over in 10min, having to wait 5min in order to kick, is excessive.
Not being able to kick while in combat (not sure if that is still the case) is also bad in PvP. Because on some maps you are not rarely for minutes in combat. That kick-restriction should be removed for PvP. Kick can't be abused like it can be in PvE, by making players leave during a fight, then requeueing to come back alive in a party as progress - which some players abused to clear ex trials during times when nobody queued for it. For PvP that is meaningless.

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Originally Posted by Goldolds1972

Id say kick and banned for the day after 10 seconds of idle time.... get rid of those crap players that just want free exp and stuff without having to work for it. I admit that I really suck at pvp, but at the same time I always have and will always try to do my best when I participate. I may complain on certain things like nins and sams being wayyyyy tooo overpowered when it comes to being able to kill infinite players with one limit break with swords and daggers and I can only take 3/4 health of one player with a bullet with my lb as a mch. But the whole players standing idle doing nothing for free bonuses with exp is so much more annoying and should be ban worthy. And after a day ban, it increases everytime you're banned. 1 day, 1 week, then 1 month, and even 1 year, etc.

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10 seconds wha..? But sometimes I'm just watching the low clouds dreamily drift on by from one quiet node to the next, apologies if that looks like I'm doing nothing. Sometimes the spectacle is just that stunningly mysterious I need to watch.

Seriously though, while low effort players are a frustrating experience, some of the suggested cut-off points are a bit wild atm. If players were a bit more vigilant and firing off them lethargy reports, maybe the sheer volume might provoke a response and a review into the functionality, I don't know. Can't peep in and see how many are doing it, curious as I am to see how many are actually resorting to that. So far the vibe I get from many complainers is that they also can't be bothered to do those reports... so...

A UI addition to directly report in short form the same way you can vote to kick might be useful though. (Probably already mentioned).

Not the place to go in depth with this, but my friend... a certain role action buff and a certain Analysis-linked attack's debuff thrown in is not just 3/4 of the health bar, depending on what you're attacking. Are we also forgetting the range of these various skills? There's not an infinite amount of players you can reach from 20y... and to go significantly deeper in the NIN's case is often ill-advised without sufficient preparation that goes beyond mashing the funny button.

But yeah, the sentiments expressed are ones I can generally align with, just not the recommended numbers.

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Originally Posted by Zofian

Meant to post this ages back but kept forgetting.

Premades make Frontlines unfair. In every premade party of up to 4, there should be a potency penalty across members, 8% for a duo, 14% for a trio, 18% for a quad perhaps seems right.

edit: the potency reduction only applies to the people within the premade, not the rest of the 8-person party.

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I am a bad solo only and group fights-addict pvp player, but even I wouldn't commend such penalty over premades. I think there are some real unfairness issues with facing/playing along premades (not even talking about using third-party communication tools), but it may just be more indicative of more fundamental flaws :

1. in current other deeper factors of unbalance between teams and between players, with so many people at the same time : individual and team skills of the population of FFXIV that plays PvP is one thing, but even some mechanics in the modes being unbalanced/broken (like in the new map), or with too unmotivated players hindering their teams (thus it's easier to tell that it's "only the fault of premades" when no self-reflection is ever made). However, in general, with so many players, it is inevitable that some may be much less motivated to improve or better contribute than others.
   
   
2. in the absence of a more efficient and balanced matchmaking process (if that is even possible) over a large number of games. Is it normal to face the same unique and only few premades of the day AND the same proportion of unmotivated kind of people in your team throughout 5+ games in a row (compared to the opponents' teams) ?
   
   You can see the latter when you notice the same names hovering over the map in/really near base for the whole game (yes, I have weird in-game habits), when you keep seeing the same amount or group of people uselessly stacking so tightly over a Field of Triumph and get instant aoe-killed (over and over again after being told), when they're all the same to suddenly flee in mass chaos (without returning at full health if it's still possible) when we're getting even slightly pushed whereas opponents pull back slowlier (even under casualties), or when you see a third of your team systematically jump into the same sandwich trap twice or three times in a row and then a half of the team feels compelled to follow (can't blame all of them, especially if you hesitate on the plan of action), and then... everyone dies (many times, then). Or when half of the team suddenly splits at lightspeed to focus on the weaker (so fights may be less fun) but lower score team many times in a game and many games in a row (sometimes to fight over a S rank/the juiciest objective while the dominating team sneaks any remaining points they need).
   
   It may be fairer to restrict the ability of premades to queue (with the same mates and alts, and after a victory of their team) multiple times or to face the same proportion of people in a row over a certain period of time, than giving them an in-duty penalty, even though I'm not so sure myself about this idea, its feasability, and its impacts .
   
   
3. in the sheer (maybe unavoidable) unbalance (in damage/skill potential, in usefulness, or in accessibility for different skill levels) between the current jobs (or at least between how different styles of players play/approach them) or in the modes' systems too (scoring, games lengths, i don't know).
   Many complaints I read ingame about premades are about the same old GNBs, DRKs, VPRs, but strangely less often on PLDs, SAMs, MCHs, SCHs, MNKs, NINs, and what else, even though they can be really bothering too (DNCs feel kinda special, in a mix of reactions).