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Originally Posted by DAMNLAMA

I apologize for the spelling. I wrote my last post using my phone which is not a good way to type out long thoughts as I have now learned. As far as the CE goes and what was "in the box" you got security token, a journal, and behind the scenes DVD. These are all tangible items which will not go away and are yours forever. The security Token will still be usable for 2.0 as well. The game itself was the same regardless of buying the CE or standard version.

I could see it being a nice gesture for them to come up with a new "in game" item to give CE buyers but as far as Beta goes anyone who started playing at 1.0 launch has invested just as much time in this game as CE players and the items you get to keep forever justify the extra cost for CE.

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like i said before, im not demanding anything but as you said, a new USEFULL ingame item for CE purchasers would be a good gestuer to those who did spend more then minimal as a signe of their support to the FFXIV campain. However if they would rather opt out and give us dibs on 2.0 content, not only would that be fitting but it would ample to keep that fan base as excited about the ffxiv campain as they were when they reserved thier CE coppies. Ofcourse, SE has no real reason to do this other then to apease faithfull folowers.

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Originally Posted by mysterytaru

I've read all the replies form you and the OP, and you both sound like entitled crybabies.

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OMFG bro you a$$clown i could careless if i get into beta why would i was to relvl everything for the sake of argument its a question i been pondering because alot of people went out their damn way to get the damn copy as reg but since only limited amount of CE i wanted to know if they would do something . would it be nice to see the beta would it be fun no start over no thanks . Will the people who stayed get rewarded with any type of early or prio in beta is what im asking I personally dont care really if i do or dont get in . NGKYS

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Originally Posted by DAMNLAMA

I apologize for the spelling. I wrote my last post using my phone which is not a good way to type out long thoughts as I have now learned. As far as the CE goes and what was "in the box" you got security token, a journal, and behind the scenes DVD. These are all tangible items which will not go away and are yours forever. The security Token will still be usable for 2.0 as well. The game itself was the same regardless of buying the CE or standard version.

I could see it being a nice gesture for them to come up with a new "in game" item to give CE buyers but as far as Beta goes anyone who started playing at 1.0 launch has invested just as much time in this game as CE players and the items you get to keep forever justify the extra cost for CE.

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Items
How the game was made game and music are made (under tanaka) - trash
buddy pass - added money to be spent
token - mine came messed up had to buy new one (yey se )
birth cert- never got it
journal - ummmm was awesome when yoshida tried to make game of new content coming out and it was all the pictures that are in the book.
the game 75 bucks of let downs

I think they'll just make a new CE when 2.0 releases with new stuff with it.

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Originally Posted by Amage

OMFG bro you a$$clown i could careless if i get into beta why would i was to relvl everything for the sake of argument its a question i been pondering because alot of people went out their damn way to get the damn copy as reg but since only limited amount of CE i wanted to know if they would do something . would it be nice to see the beta would it be fun no start over no thanks . Will the people who stayed get rewarded with any type of early or prio in beta is what im asking I personally dont care really if i do or dont get in . NGKYS

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LOL. Call me insane in a schoolyard tell in game over being called entitled and then make this post. That's so delightfully hypocritical. Oh well, my blist had plenty of room to spare. I got a nice giggle out of it though, so thanks for that :D

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Originally Posted by Punainen

yarly. Many many CE buyers put down the game ages ago and never came back. Should they be allowed to just get into beta now?

And Legacy members (even if they only joined 3 months ago) at least are current players and have shown SOME kind of loyalty to the game.

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That's just it, right there, their gonna be biased. Beta + Biased = /o\

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Originally Posted by Amage

I Got C.E. And played since day 1 and the reason i called 1.0 a beta because everything was a testing but we paid to test and give feedback on a game on forums am i wrong ?

A lot of CE didnt stay but most did who played till the end from the worst to the not so worst .

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I agree for the first part, because that's what we've been doing, regardless as Version 1.0 isn't considered a beta. We've been giving feedback in order for them to create ARR.

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Originally Posted by Kafeen

If that's your definition of beta then 2.0 will be beta too. People will still give feedback; adjustments to the game will still be made. Its the way game development goes now, especially with online titles.

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Ok im not sure if you are trying to troll, but yes there was a beta test done in 1.0 this was after the alpha test. Just so that you know that means internal testing. Regardless if you paid for the privilege to test it. It still was the beta test. so that you know BETA testing is usually public testing outside thier usual focus group to collect data about the game that they have already packaged and ready to ship. so that means Beta testing does not mean that all the fixes will be implemented but it give the developers a head start to work on them.

Now I do believe the main topic about this thread is whether CE should get any thing. I apologize for my long winded response. but it just eeks me when i see someone drag a Red Herring to change subject and make someone else look incompetent

Personally i think the entire 1.0 is a beta test which is why we got it free for so long.....we only had to start paying when it actually got better...lol

People who shelled out $79.99 verus 19.99 or 14.99 later should have some priority. Disappointed since hte first beta, waiting to play a decent version of the game they spent so much on.

Those who shelled out 79.99 USD as well as are legendary should have top priority. Many could have purchased the title for 19.99 or less, payed only 6 months, or 3 more in advance, and didn't have to shell out as much. CE purchasers paid 60.00+ more from the get go. Those of us that are legendary shelled out another 80+ minimal additional.

IF you put in 170.00+ into the game verus possible only 95.00, yo ushould get a little priority. When puttign 200+ invested into it, you shoudl be on top of that list. You paid for a product that should keep working, and during the change over, continue over into it.

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Originally Posted by kazaran

People who shelled out $79.99 verus (19.99 or less) later should have some priority, THose who shelled out 79.99 USD and payed, as well as are legendary should have top priority. Many could have purchased the title for 19.99, payed only 6 months, or 3 more in advance, and didn't have to shell out as much. CE purchasers paid 60.00+ more from the get go. Those of us that are legendary shelled out another 80+ minimal additional.

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You make it out like you were forced to do these things. The smell of entitlement in this thread is really getting bad. Someone should open a window.

I did it to support SE. Simple. PEopel who clearly invested and continued supportign them finacially so they could continue work, should be intitled to a little supprot in return and not sit waiting on a product they paid into.

ANyone who paid shoudl be moved in fast, but those that jumped on the last minute and grabbed a old copy at a reduculous cut in cost, shoudln't be moved ahead of the others.

I rather people who have actual feedback, and are playing to help make sure the product is ready, are the people that get into the Beta. Last time FFXIV was released, too many people were more concerned about getting ahead, than helping the game. I'm not exactly sure how SE can filter out these type of people though, but owning a CE doesn't mean these people will be helpful.

please SE so we can start saving money for it >.>

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Originally Posted by Kagato

Honestly, I feel like Legacy members should get first dibs. Not CE-buyers. I bought a CE and didn't play it for more than a week until this past May.

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Agreed, CE ppl with legacy status and that never stopped playing should have a free pass to square enix headquarters for life!

\^^/

People who bought C.E FFXIV and have Legacy should be the first to know about when the beta will take place and have a spot. That's just what I believe should happen.

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Originally Posted by Defmetal

Is WoW's Cataclysm expansion a beta for the Panda expansion?
1.0 is just the base game and 2.0 is for all intensive purposes a free expansion.

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NO! NO NO NO NO NO NO! (ノ゜Д゜ノ) 彡 ┻━┻

I bought CE stopped playing for like 2-3 months but payed for each month since it went PTP ,_, does that mean I wouldn't get in?

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Originally Posted by Vassteel1

Heres my opinion on this

Legacy members should be able to get into the beta. but not with their main character, the should have to create a new character and start as lvl 1

keep in mind those legacy players that do get in any progress gained during beta will not be kept after beta

and also participation in testing should be limited those better qualified and also based on how well they assisted during the alpha/beta stages of ffxiv 1

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This i agree with.
Kinda like the test server for XI.
And CE or Legacy shouldn't matter. Loyalty and time played should be more important.
I've only been back for around 4 months after a 12 month lay-off. Just because i'm a Legacy player doesn't mean i should get a slot over someone that has played since release.

People should stop dreaming and coming up with such stuff ^^;
Aside of some simple filters like "being a currently playing acc", or pc specs it will all be RNG, as always.

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Originally Posted by Scorpius

This i agree with.

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everything you typed after this does not agree with this statement O.o

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Originally Posted by Scorpius

Kinda like the test server for XI.
And CE or Legacy shouldn't matter. Loyalty and time played should be more important.

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Loyalty/time played does not equal qualified. It should be handled like any other beta. getting in should primarily be determined by your hardware specs (for hardware compatibilty testing of new engine), experience doing betas (to help find bugs and provide feedback on usability etc.), and time zone (you want people from each region to even out server load times)


Anyway,

I think people who purchased the CE should get some sort of extra vanity piece. We originally got the onion helm. how about an onion helm for our chocobos? or onion knight themed barding?

I agree that CE/legacy should be less important when deciding who gets in to beta. I personally have both. If i get in the beta i think it should be because of my experience beta testing, my knowledge of hardware, and ability to troubleshoot. not because i have CE & legacy.

What i would like to know is

1) when the game relaunches will a CE be available for purchase?
2) will the in-game incentives in this CE be the same as 1.0 CEs
3) will there be pre-order bonuses? and will these be the same as the 1.0 pre-order bonuses?

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Originally Posted by Amage

I Got C.E. And played since day 1 and the reason i called 1.0 a beta because everything was a testing but we paid to test and give feedback on a game on forums am i wrong ?

A lot of CE didnt stay but most did who played till the end from the worst to the not so worst .

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further insults to SE by continuously calling 1.0 a beta probably wont help your chances to get into 2.0 beta. I personally would like those that have played since release date (or earlier) without breaks to get first dibs but I really dont think it is gonna matter. I highly doubt this is going to be like a normal very limited beta experience. new server will hold up to 5000 users and they will probably have like 10 of em so I doubt any of us active users will find it hard to get in and there still be plenty of room for new folks.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

further insults to SE by continuously calling 1.0 a beta probably wont help your chances to get into 2.0 beta. I personally would like those that have played since release date (or earlier) without breaks to get first dibs but I really dont think it is gonna matter. I highly doubt this is going to be like a normal very limited beta experience. new server will hold up to 5000 users and they will probably have like 10 of em so I doubt any of us active users will find it hard to get in and there still be plenty of room for new folks.

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Lol you really think that 10 beta servers will be launched straight and that all slots will be allocated to current players? I think that first phase(s) will be limited. The number of participants will grow over time, but I don't SE starting straight with 50K testers.

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Originally Posted by Antipika

Lol you really think that 10 beta servers will be launched straight and that all slots will be allocated to current players? I think that first phase(s) will be limited. The number of participants will grow over time, but I don't SE starting straight with 50K testers.

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Yes I really do, alpha might be quite limited but I doubt beta will be at all. This isnt a new IP.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

Yes I really do, alpha might be quite limited but I doubt beta will be at all. This isnt a new IP.

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Antipika is right. They will start with a small group in alpha, add a few more in early beta, and slowly thottle up the number of concurrent logins as they get closer to open beta when they open the flood gates. That's how they will stress test the new code running on the new servers. This is what I do for a living, it's basically an industry standard.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

Yes I really do, alpha might be quite limited but I doubt beta will be at all. This isnt a new IP.

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It's not about a new IP. New servers, new client, lot of things to test and feedback to receive. Doing it progressively just makes sense. We may not even have access to servers 7 days a week at first as well. It could be region based like first alpha phase. That's also good for SE to get feedback on latency, especially from NA/EU players.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

Antipika is right. They will start with a small group in alpha, add a few more in early beta, and slowly thottle up the number of concurrent logins as they get closer to open beta...

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This does sound like standard procedure, but I think I recall reading they intended to use the alpha period for stress testing the servers. Wouldn't that require a large number of players? Just curious.

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Originally Posted by Validas

This does sound like standard procedure, but I think I recall reading they intended to use the alpha period for stress testing the servers. Wouldn't that require a large number of players? Just curious.

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not really. they have a couple routes they could take. they could, as you point out, just open the flood gates right off the bat. have all the servers open and let everyone try them out. But they'd do so at the risk of pissing of everyone in the alpha that end up having log in trouble. In that case, SE would end up with a large number of frustrated alpha testers. They could also have a large number of alpha servers open, and limit the areas you can go to, which would require fewer alpha testers. Most likely though, they'll limit the number of servers and the number of areas you can go to, thus requiring even fewer alpha testers. This way if things go bad there are less frustrated alpha testers and less people to spread bad press.

Well you only need to stress test one server. So we are looking at around 5k players for the alpha. No need to stress test 10 servers at the same time.

I am sort of expecting the alpha beta process of 2.arrr to be the same as what we went through with 1.xx. Except with out the feeling of being mostly ignored.

Well you only need to stress test one server. So we are looking at around 5k players for the alpha. No need to stress test 10 servers at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Griss

I am sort of expecting the alpha beta process of 2.arrr to be the same as what we went through with 1.xx. Except with out the feeling of being mostly ignored.

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pretty much this

Alpha is only going to be in the shroud area that they showed at Gamescom. The following beta i believe is for everyone especially when they shut down the ffxiv servers. I dont think they will make us go without our ffxiv fix for a month or so w/o atleast letting us run around in beta while waiting for data transfer.

As far as special treatment? I think we probably will not get anything extra nor should we. I bought the CE just like most everyone else but I must admit I am a bit selfish when it comes to this game. I kinda approach it with an "if I like it I dont care who doesnt attitude." The point being if I like the game then there are bound to be others that like it too.

Everyone should be allowed into beta so we can all enjoy the new game together period.

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Originally Posted by leomike35

Alpha is only going to be in the shroud area that they showed at Gamescom. The following beta i believe is for everyone especially when they shut down the ffxiv servers. I dont think they will make us go without our ffxiv fix for a month or so w/o atleast letting us run around in beta while waiting for data transfer.

As far as special treatment? I think we probably will not get anything extra nor should we. I bought the CE just like most everyone else but I must admit I am a bit selfish when it comes to this game. I kinda approach it with an "if I like it I dont care who doesnt attitude." The point being if I like the game then there are bound to be others that like it too.

Everyone should be allowed into beta so we can all enjoy the new game together period.

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I.I..NEEEDS....IT MANS I NEEDs, IT GiVE it tO mE OR ....oR ThE KITTEN GeTs iT I SwEaR I'LL DO IT ILL DO IT MAn.

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Originally Posted by leomike35

Alpha is only going to be in the shroud area that they showed at Gamescom. The following beta i believe is for everyone especially when they shut down the ffxiv servers. I dont think they will make us go without our ffxiv fix for a month or so w/o atleast letting us run around in beta while waiting for data transfer.

As far as special treatment? I think we probably will not get anything extra nor should we. I bought the CE just like most everyone else but I must admit I am a bit selfish when it comes to this game. I kinda approach it with an "if I like it I dont care who doesnt attitude." The point being if I like the game then there are bound to be others that like it too.

Everyone should be allowed into beta so we can all enjoy the new game together period.

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Sounds like the 1.X alpha where you could only play in LL.

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Originally Posted by Antipika

It's not about a new IP. New servers, new client, lot of things to test and feedback to receive. Doing it progressively just makes sense. We may not even have access to servers 7 days a week at first as well. It could be region based like first alpha phase. That's also good for SE to get feedback on latency, especially from NA/EU players.

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you totally could be right but that doesn't change the way I feel they will do it.

I am sure they will work fast as possible to get all current players into the beta. Yoshi said it was a focus.

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Originally Posted by Kagato

Honestly, I feel like Legacy members should get first dibs. Not CE-buyers. I bought a CE and didn't play it for more than a week until this past May.

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Honestly no offense Kagato but this is irritating me. Legacy this Legacy that blah blah blah. Call me bitter but you know who should be getting first dibs???? All those poor PS3 players, LOL. Those poor guys have been waiting FOREVER. Seriously, legacy to me shouldn't take priority. There should be a mix when SE pulls people in for beta. Get off your Legacy High Horse and understand that we need everyone this round.

Side note: Think SE should pull in some youtube channels to help get the word out. I would like to see Yogscast or TotalBiscuit get their hands on beta.

Many purchased a game and expect to be able to play it. Many of us poured cash in to suppor tthem and should be able to contineu to play with minimal interuption.

PS3 players waited mainly because of the hardware limitations and the current engine was just to much for the memory design (not made for mmo's).

Yet they haven't already paid for the game, shouldn't get priority to play for those who purchased the product already, and have paid monthly. Even tho testing on that version is well needed.

I have deffinetly wondered why I payed the extra money for the damn thing aside this security token. I don't think i could watch the dvd without cringing.