P8S is still very frustrating to run

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Originally Posted by Mr_Vain_

That's stupidly unrealistic. Mistakes happen, and wipes happen. I've not touched high end content, but if my P8S runs and Wreath of Snakes (unreal) have been anything to go by, it's normal to mess up mechanics you understand. Because we're still human at the end of the day. That should take priority over your trivial gain.

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It should be very rare to mess up mechanics you understand. Otherwise you clearly do not understand them. If you join farm parties and keep causing wipes then that's the main reason you get blacklisted, not some conspiracy of a warrior who is out to get you or whatever.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Vain_

How do you know it's not you messing up the mechanics?

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Mostly by knowing the mechanics. When you understand what's going on, you'll also understand what went wrong if it was you.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Vain_

That's stupidly unrealistic. Mistakes happen, and wipes happen. I've not touched high end content, but if my P8S runs and Wreath of Snakes (unreal) have been anything to go by, it's normal to mess up mechanics you understand. Because we're still human at the end of the day. That should take priority over your trivial gain.

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It's stupidly unrealistic to expect that people do mechanics correctly?
Man I know you have a learning disability, but please try to read what people are writing. I said wiping in farming parties is meant to be the exception. That means that, yes, wipes happen. Sometimes. It is perfectly reasonable of farm parties (parties consisting of players who cleared the content already and who know and understand the mechanics well enough to clear it consistently) to expect that people in said party are not going to wipe to a mechanic that they don't understand multiple times.

What is unreasonable is when someone who doesn't understand a mechanic well enough to solve it 90% of the time joins a farm party instead of a prog party. You know, parties where you learn the mechanics in the first place.

Instead of arguing with me and everyone else about what's going wrong with your past pf experience or how I use my blacklist, maybe just pick one of the several solutions people have offered you. Ask for help, join a patient fc (of which there are plenty), make your own PF and name it appropriately.

As others have said, there is a difference between:

• [Practice] parties, where you aren't confident you can do it all flawlessly.
• Farm parties that use tags such as [Loot] [Duty Complete]

It's normal to make a mistake, once in a while. Hopefully, the mistakes should not affect clearing it (for example a small attack error is better than wiping everyone), otherwise it'd be best to join a [Practice] party again.

As others have said, if you're repeatedly making a mistake that's wiping everyone, it doesn't make sense to join a farm parties, because you aren't ready for those. Farm parties are aimed at people that can get through the fight flawlessly most tries. Again, 1 or 2 wipes can happen but if it's happening most times you likely need more practice and that's what practice parties are for.

It may help to record yourself doing NA a few times. You can do it with Windows key + G and press the record button, before pulling. The videos are stored in Videos\Captures and then you can review them to see what went wrong.

you need someone who can explain high concept well to the group or just wait until next expac where you can skip it. its not likely you will clear this mechanic by luck since if one person messes up its a wipe

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Originally Posted by Saraide

It should be very rare to mess up mechanics you understand. Otherwise you clearly do not understand them. If you join farm parties and keep causing wipes then that's the main reason you get blacklisted, not some conspiracy of a warrior who is out to get you or whatever.



Mostly by knowing the mechanics. When you understand what's going on, you'll also understand what went wrong if it was you.

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Even if you do know mechanics, you will sometimes fumble. It's only natural to sometimes just solve it wrong; however, those should be outliers, not the norm. If a person keeps wiping repeatedly on the same mechanic, over and over, it's clear they don't understand how to solve it.

Usually, if they ask and admit they don't know, I will tend to be more lenient and explain what they should be doing. But, if I person just sits there without asking, without taking steps to correct their mistake, I just assume they expect to be carried.

I generally do not carry anymore because it perpetuates not only mediocrity but also rewards bad behaviour. It's most likely a high contributor to why PF is filled with prog liars because in the past, they got carried and got away with just sitting on the floor and getting credit for something they did not deserve.