Reminder for mentors.

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Originally Posted by Nero-Voidstails

well technically it is that and mentor if they break tos have way harsher punishment for breaking those rules.

that's a thing people often forget

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they don't, its the same for everyone

Wah, wah, i cant MT.

You can Mt, provided you outdps me. You are not making everything harder for everyone (healer especially) because your ego commands you to be the MT, if i have higher item level than you i will always MT just as when i find someone with better gear than me i let them MT. Its this easy. Also provoke should never be used unless you have a mandatory tankswap mechanic wich....doesnt exist in any casual content because EVERYONE and ANYONE must be able to do this no matter how braincells they might have left as you clearly demonstrated. This game is way too forgiving with clueless people and toxic positivity is RUINING it. I had a THAUMATURGE in a lv 100 dungeon last night, when will it be enough?

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Originally Posted by HikariNoTaka

[...] Also provoke should never be used unless you have a mandatory tankswap mechanic wich....doesnt exist in any casual content [...]

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The only other acceptable times to do provoke is to adjust wonky boss positioning so melees can do their thing, and of course annoy the provoke spammers :P
I truly don't understand why they didn't add a note in the novice hall like "Hey this skill here, don't spam it, it's not an attack, don't rip aggro unless you're in a position to tank this mob" because wow, some sprouts out there are out on a mission to make us miss every single positional LOL and we don't have many left!

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Originally Posted by Remolia

they don't, its the same for everyone

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you are aware it is mention when you get the mentor status? that you have to be on your best behavior? because punishment will be harsher?

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Originally Posted by Nero-Voidstails

you are aware it is mention when you get the mentor status? that you have to be on your best behavior? because punishment will be harsher?

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I am getting a "Notification about your behaviour" mail almost every month, because people report me nonstop. Nothing happens.
You either violated the ToS, or u didn't. It does not matter if u a mentor or not.

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Originally Posted by Remolia

I am getting a "Notification about your behaviour" mail almost every month, because people report me nonstop. Nothing happens.
You either violated the ToS, or u didn't. It does not matter if u a mentor or not.

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believe what you do but I know they can revoke the right of mentorship to someone and I have seen first hand how heavily punish you are when you wear the crown. but true who I am to know right?

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Originally Posted by Nero-Voidstails

believe what you do but I know they can revoke the right of mentorship to someone and I have seen first hand how heavily punish you are when you wear the crown. but true who I am to know right?

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they did not revoke mentorship. If u violate the ToS, u get banned/suspended/warned. If u kick some one with no reason from NN chat - u get a penalty if the person reports u, because its a part of ToS. Same for everything else. If its against ToS - u get a penalty, if its not tos, u don't. Mentor does not add anything.

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Originally Posted by ArmaDragkun

"Be an exemplar for player etiquette."

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Just because YOU think it's part of etiquette for a mentor to acquiesce to a sprout, and abandon all their own wants, does not mean that it is. You won't get suspended nor a warning for not saying "sure go for it." If a mentor really wants to tank that day, but they get only sprouts on their first time, they HAVE TO give it up? It's NICE if they do, but not mandatory, especially for someone this entitled.

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Originally Posted by ArmaDragkun

DON'T BE A MENTOR WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY THAT COMES WITH THAT

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Or .. If you have specific conditions and needs like this that no one else agrees to upon queueing up, then use the party finder. If it means to you this much, why risk getting someone that won't let you play out your main character fantasy?

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Originally Posted by ArmaDragkun

you are supposed to allow the other person to tank. That is literally part of the package of being a mentor.

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This here is the problem. People expect mentors to be this subclass that is supposed to just cuck out and make sure that others have the best possible time while ignoring their own wants. Newsflash, people who are mentors also play this game to have fun. If YOU want to change the mentor status to be that, then lobby for it. Mentors are just chill ppl that give advice.

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Originally Posted by ArmaDragkun

then take the damn crown off.

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What actually changes? The sprout still doesn't get to tank. You know what the mentor should do? They should advice them how to use the party finder for next time. :)

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Originally Posted by ArmaDragkun

It's like volunteering to help someone drive and then refusing to allow them to drive

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I'm sorry, where is THAT listed again that a mentor is supposed to take a backseat and forsake their own gameplay desires? Etiquette =//= Sacrifice own gameplay desires. You can argue it as much as you want, but until I see people getting suspended for MTing when a sprout asks to MT, then nope.

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Originally Posted by ArmaDragkun

mentors who are butthurt over the fact they feel called out

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Who's post is this is again that's crying about mentors not being their personal retainers? I've no issue with letting sprouts tank, I don't gain anything from tanking a boss, but I also don't think I am EXPECTED to do that. I'm disagreeing on principle of what mentors are expected to do. Like, just on principle, you have no issue if a non-mentor "ruins" a sprout's first time, but you do if it's a mentor?? Sounds like mentor racism /s

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Originally Posted by ArmaDragkun

"Oh look at me I'm so super special and awesome

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This is something only non-mentors say. Mentor status means nothing due to how easy it is to acquire. I'll put on my Mentor of Mentors title for you, though, since mentors like me seem to upset you so much.

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Originally Posted by ArmaDragkun

they should remove the crown

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FINALLY SOMETHING WE CAN AGREE ON

Mentor is mainly there to speed up queues for dead content. Don't expect anything from them, most are useless who have just played the game longer. NN is a complete mess, my advice is to leave it instantly.

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Originally Posted by Asako

Mentor is mainly there to speed up queues for dead content. Don't expect anything from them, most are useless who have just played the game longer. NN is a complete mess, my advice is to leave it instantly.

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That's mentor roulette that's for speeding up queues, and most mentors don't have mentor roulette unlocked, because it means they have to do content.

NN seems pretty fine from what I've seen on crystal, people answer questions whenever people asked and otherwise just talk to keep it active and not seem like a dead channel.

It's pointless trying to talk to someone like you. You close your eyes and cover your ears screaming "lalalalalala" because you don't like what another person has posted.

Answer me if you can be bothered to open your eyes. What does "Be an exemplar for player etiquette" mean to you? Because just being polite doesn't mean shit when everyone else is polite to. Oh wait guess what? Non mentors give advice too. The whole point of being a god damn mentor is go ABOVE AND BEYOND what the average / normal player would do. So yes that means allowing a someone who is going into a new boss for the FIRST TIME the chance to tank it.

Honestly it's so annoying trying to get it into your mind that I'm not demanding I tank all the time only to be given the chance to MT the boss when it's my first ever time doing it. Especially when the content has been out for a while meaning anyone who has wanted to tank it has done so by now.

God you must be horrible to talk to in the real world. Anyone says anything you don't like and you just shut then down without even listening to their point of view.

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Originally Posted by ArmaDragkun

It's pointless trying to talk to someone like you. You close your eyes and cover your ears screaming "lalalalalala" because you don't like what another person has posted

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Sounds like projecting, especially since I went down point-by-point since you accused I didn't read what you said. But since you take that stance, I am gonna stop reading here and not read the rest of your post.

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Originally Posted by ArmaDragkun

Mentors are veteran players who chose to offer their time and experience to help guide new adventurers. To facilitate their assistance, mentors will gain access to a special chat channel as well as a means to easily register for duties and trials with new players.

As a mentor, you are expected to actively perform the following:

Provide gameplay advice for new adventurers and other players.
Be an exemplar for player etiquette.
Invite new adventurers to the Novice Network, and answer their queries in the chat channel.

Be an exemplar for player etiquette.

I've recently just started doing the DT normal raids. Every single time I sign up for the first time and enter I'll put forward the message about "Hi first time here hope it's ok if I tank" You know what happens? Every single time the other tank ISN'T a mentor they are more than happy to let me tank and learn. Whenever it's been a mentor they spam taunt and refuse to let me tank it.

Being an EXEMPLAR for player ETIQUETTE. Like come on. Is it so much to ask to allow a first timer to tank. As tank you only ever get the one time to tank a boss blind. After that you can never experience it again for that boss. You know what's coming where to go ect.

Also before anyone says anything. Whenever I tank with someone who is a first time tank I'll always let them tank it if they want to. Sometimes they don't and that's fine. But I will always give someone the chance to tank a boss blind since I understand the joy it can bring. But I guess for some mentors who are supposed to be paragons of this game when it comes to kindness and being helpful that's too much

Additionally if you're going to go around with the mentor tag you shouldn't be ignoring chat. That is literally part of the agreement you have. How can you help anyone if you're ignoring chat?

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i m a mentor who help out ppl as much as i can however i'll tell u one thing, a lot of randoms shit on mentors in chat if u try to teach ppl since they think mentors are elitist and they wanna learn on their own, so most mentors stay quiet unless ppl type in chat for advice and help

also regarding tanking, i mainly tank, and even among randoms u will find ppl spamming provoke with stance on battling to get aggro of boss because being MT is fun and makes u main character lol, but ultimately most mentors just wanna keep aggro to safely carry the party to victory and get the job done rather than letting a sprout with barely any gear do the hard lifting, but it really doesnt matter in normal raids or trials since its super easy (made for babies), so ultimately nobody cares or gives a damn who has aggro, i myself leave the stance on and if the other tank provokes i just let them be and get the duty done asap, cause as someone said already in this thread most mentors are just trying to duty completion asap for the mount achievement

also if ur gear suk as a tank while the other tank has good gear and drk/gnb, then even without provoke they will steal aggro from boss if they have stance on

"Be an exemplar for player etiquette" is such an arbitrary term, though. Ask 1,000 players, you may get 1,000 different answers. In light/full parties situation, they are easily warped into "majority rules".

Maybe if SE actually stop treating their playerbase as if everybody born and live in JP, then they can start seeing how the regulation won't always be received flawlessly.