Custom CC Games are way better than Ranked

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They include talks with community reps who are on the larger Discords (not mentioned here). They include discussions and collaboration with the JP playerbase, whose section sees far more engagement and hosts far better discussion. They include interactions with Yoshida himself, who actively participates in scrim days on JP. They include the tournaments we host that SE reps tune in to, where they constantly draw data on job balance. Even REDDIT gets better discussion than here.

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And the crowning achievement of all this is FL 7.1?

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

And the crowning achievement of all this is FL 7.1?

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They have balanced, do balance, and always will balance around arena modes. You're going to have to get over that Frontline is a lil side activity. Maybe 7.2 will get you what you want.

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They have balanced, do balance, and always will balance around arena modes. You're going to have to get over that Frontline is a lil side activity. Maybe 7.2 will get you what you want.

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Okay, that's fair. PvP in general is the red-headed step-child of 14, and FL is that step-child's pet turtle. It just burns a bit for those of us whose main engagement with the game is FL.

A request: 99% of players don't have the kind of access to devs, nor Yoshi-P himself that you apparently do. I understand that as part of that elite, you must regard the ideas exchanged on these forums as so much mewling and puking. But we are actively told to post our suggestions here. And if we do so in a manner you find pathetic, that's largely precisely because we lack access and information.

So maybe you could disseminate such info here to the little people? That would improve the quality of dialog on these forums, particularly given so much of it is hampered by having no clue what it is the devs are thinking. Or are you constrained by an NDA?

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They include talks with community reps who are on the larger Discords (not mentioned here). They include discussions and collaboration with the JP playerbase, whose section sees far more engagement and hosts far better discussion. They include interactions with Yoshida himself, who actively participates in scrim days on JP. They include the tournaments we host that SE reps tune in to, where they constantly draw data on job balance. Even REDDIT gets better discussion than here.

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Now that made me curious. Did anyone actually push for those hit detection changes?

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A request: 99% of players don't have the kind of access to devs, nor Yoshi-P himself that you apparently do. I understand that as part of that elite, you must regard the ideas exchanged on these forums as so much mewling and puking. But we are actively told to post our suggestions here. And if we do so in a manner you find pathetic, that's largely precisely because we lack access and information.

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My disdain is not with forum discourse, else I wouldn't be here. My disdain is for your ASSumption that because people aren't here, that they aren't doing anything; that we somehow have to earn your respect. Honestly stop with the twisting. If it makes you feel better, we don't end up knowing any more than you do in the end.

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Now that made me curious. Did anyone actually push for those hit detection changes?

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Yes and no. Snapshotting has been a huge complaint in relation to animations. The complaint was people using Guard, feeling like they're safe for a whole second or two, and damage still going through from long animation skills (Wyrmwind Thrust, Marksman's Spite, etc.). We wanted a solution but weren't really certain we could get anything with this engine.

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They include talks with community reps who are on the larger Discords (not mentioned here). They include discussions and collaboration with the JP playerbase, whose section sees far more engagement and hosts far better discussion. They include interactions with Yoshida himself, who actively participates in scrim days on JP. They include the tournaments we host that SE reps tune in to, where they constantly draw data on job balance. Even REDDIT gets better discussion than here.



It's not, because that's insane. The queue time issues are because the reward for ranked is the same as it's been since season 1 with a different roman numeral. No one cares about them anymore. They only care now because the system is new and there's a bigger pool of players.



Without even knowing what his experience is, you're just dying for that sweet validation huh

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Who are the Devs talking to and playing with?
Their demons?

The patch notes are AI generated,
Their goals achieved are the opposite of what the patch notes stated in,
Once you face actual humans you'll realise that crowd control is so layered you'll be standing around for multiple seconds unable to act.

It's 2024, and we have a PvP 'competitive mode' that gets updates less frequently than PvE.

Literally zero communication.

For what it's worth - Naoki Yoshida has indeed said (live on stream) that they are going to add role actions specific to Frontline and Rival Wings in Patch 7.2.

Source: https://discord.com/channels/1004639...82744929779762
(Links to the /r/FFXIV Discord server with over 100,000 members. It's to their Live Letter translations channel.)

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And do those other means include prominent Discord servers using the power of their large memberships to lobby the devs? Or is there something so cunning and subtle going on that it is completely invisible?

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Do you think we... Have a magic pipeline to devs that will make them take us seriously or something? I can't event get the GMs to take my reports about hard griefers in ranked seriously, for multiple years now.

As the owner of PvP Revival, what "cunning and subtle" things do you think are going on, exactly? Do you think we're paid to push an agenda or something? Because for the record, I do NOT get paid for anything I do. I DON'T get recognized by SE either, only people in the community. My input does not get more taken more seriously then anyone else's, and I see nothing that will foreseeably change that in the near future.

It's a shame you had a shitty experience at a queue sync or whatever, but do you REALLY think it justifies whatever weird conspiracy pushing this is? We just like PvP, enjoy playing it with our friends, and want it to be better. But SURE, I guess that's cunning and subtle and completely invisible... Like what? We use our membership to push PvP events. I work a full-time job, and I have no interest in being a streamer. If I'm a semi-public figure in this community, then it's out of necessity and nothing more. I do not like the spotlight. I just want to play PvP with my friends, and get more people to understand that it can indeed be fun.

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There’s a perception among some players that communities can sometimes feel more like businesses disguised as social spaces. Instead of existing purely for the community, some groups have been known to use their platforms to promote themselves, often to grow into something bigger, like a Twitch brand or even a professional-level organization. Custom matches and events can sometimes feel like stepping stones for self-promotion, and while that’s not inherently bad, it can leave a sour taste for those who’ve seen it happen before.

The concern grows when these groups expand to the point where they influence how the game is played on a larger scale. For instance, if someone joins a community but doesn’t feel like they fit in, the group’s continued growth can still make it the dominant voice for a specific part of the game. Eventually, that influence might extend to solo play expectations, too—similar to how PF stratigies from certain Discords have become the unspoken expectation when playing in Party Finder.

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Hi Phoebe! I'm glad you pointed this out because this is something I have been personally grappling with on my own. If you've ever watched a big Crystalline Conflict tournament on Twitch during Endwalker, I was probably either streaming, hosting, commentating, or playing in myself. During this time I put a great deal of personal investment into the game mode while trying to stay out of the limelight for fear of coming across as self-centered.

This backfired a bit. Sure, events were successful, and I got a great deal of good feedback and it was nice to be praised, but that's about where my own personal gain ends. When not hosting a tournament, I stream on Twitch for 0 viewers. I gained no followers on any social media, and people have no idea who I am. SE themselves have pointed out that they know who I am but would never invite me to anything like a Community Championship or Crystalline Conflict Regional Championship (CCRC) because I'm a nobody.

So it's hard, because I poured so much of myself into that and got burnt. With that, I realized that the most fun I have had in this game is my thousands of casual matches of Rival Wings and Frontline with my friends where we are just messing around and having fun in a low stakes setting. Introducing people to PvP and showing them how it can be fun in the same way something like Mario Party would be fun is what excites me.

Now, I don't speak on behalf of all the leadership at Revival, but I believe they would agree with me that PvP is at its best when it is inclusive and welcoming to new players and not forcing people away with things that you mentioned previously, so we will take steps to make it just like that.

Forgive me if this was a bit rambling- this is something that has been on my mind quite a lot in the past few months.

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Do you think we... Have a magic pipeline to devs that will make them take us seriously or something? I can't event get the GMs to take my reports about hard griefers in ranked seriously, for multiple years now.

As the owner of PvP Revival, what "cunning and subtle" things do you think are going on, exactly? Do you think we're paid to push an agenda or something? Because for the record, I do NOT get paid for anything I do. I DON'T get recognized by SE either, only people in the community. My input does not get more taken more seriously then anyone else's, and I see nothing that will foreseeably change that in the near future.

It's a shame you had a shitty experience at a queue sync or whatever, but do you REALLY think it justifies whatever weird conspiracy pushing this is? We just like PvP, enjoy playing it with our friends, and want it to be better. But SURE, I guess that's cunning and subtle and completely invisible... Like what? We use our membership to push PvP events. I work a full-time job, and I have no interest in being a streamer. If I'm a semi-public figure in this community, then it's out of necessity and nothing more. I do not like the spotlight. I just want to play PvP with my friends, and get more people to understand that it can indeed be fun.

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I was responding to Atreus' assertion that we plebs were unaware of the communication channel that the elites have to the devs.

As the owner of Revival I would like to see you have more access to the devs. Maybe the fact you didn't join the official forums until last month is holding you back.

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So maybe you could disseminate such info here to the little people? That would improve the quality of dialog on these forums, particularly given so much of it is hampered by having no clue what it is the devs are thinking. Or are you constrained by an NDA?

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We are on the same team here. We have no method of directly communicating with any of the community representativess from Square Enix. I have spoken with one of them exactly once, and that was two years ago during the Community Cup when I was a team captain.

I agree that Frontline is complete garbage right now, and it's the mode that sees by far the most play because it's a roulette, so Frontline being bad means PvP is not in a good state. I have nearly 3,000 Frontline campaigns because I genuinely used to enjoy the mode, but it really does feel like our pleas for the mode to be fixed are not being answered.

So since they do not listen to our pleas on the forums, surely that means Square Enix listens to the Japanese playerbase?

I did an interview with prominent members of the Japanese PvP community with help of a translator: a finalist from JP CCRC, and a partnered Twitch streamer that mainly plays PvP. I asked them to speak on the feeling of their community as a whole (not their personal feelings) if they felt like their feedback was being heard. Their response was shocking- they said the JP PvP community believes Square Enix only listens to a small vocal minority on the English forums.

So wait- we're both pointing our fingers at each other! So who are they listening to?

Which brings us here, to where it is a matter of the community seemingly caring more about the game than the developers themselves and it is frustrating. I wish I could fix everything myself, but I cannot.

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My disdain is not with forum discourse, else I wouldn't be here. My disdain is for your ASSumption that because people aren't here, that they aren't doing anything; that we somehow have to earn your respect. Honestly stop with the twisting. If it makes you feel better, we don't end up knowing any more than you do in the end.

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My respect means nothing. But a community trying to grow does need to be respected, surely? I'd suggest some Discord servers have earned a lot more respect than others. Indeed some are actively and maliciously hostile to outsiders. Hence why Mr. Brand's suggestion that we find our "local communities" is poorly conceived. Most of us know damn well we don't have one.

It makes me feel worse that you don't end up knowing any more than the plebs. I'd like there to be a channel between the player base and the devs that allows us to make informed suggestions and them to explain what the hell it is they think they're doing. The patch notes are typically vague and contradictory.

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We are on the same team here. We have no method of directly communicating with any of the community representativess from Square Enix. I have spoken with one of them exactly once, and that was two years ago during the Community Cup when I was a team captain.

I agree that Frontline is complete garbage right now, and it's the mode that sees by far the most play because it's a roulette, so Frontline being bad means PvP is not in a good state. I have nearly 3,000 Frontline campaigns because I genuinely used to enjoy the mode, but it really does feel like our pleas for the mode to be fixed are not being answered.

So since they do not listen to our pleas on the forums, surely that means Square Enix listens to the Japanese playerbase?

I did an interview with prominent members of the Japanese PvP community with help of a translator: a finalist from JP CCRC, and a partnered Twitch streamer that mainly plays PvP. I asked them to speak on the feeling of their community as a whole (not their personal feelings) if they felt like their feedback was being heard. Their response was shocking- they said the JP PvP community believes Square Enix only listens to a small vocal minority on the English forums.

So wait- we're both pointing our fingers at each other! So who are they listening to?

Which brings us here, to where it is a matter of the community seemingly caring more about the game than the developers themselves and it is frustrating. I wish I could fix everything myself, but I cannot.

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Thank you for taking the trouble to write this, it's very informative if disturbing. I've always been skeptical of the claims here that SQEX only listens to JP feedback, partly because I've worked for a subscription-based company and our hearing was always attuned to those giving us money. It's sort of tragic that both regions assume it is the other that has influence, when apparently neither do.

Despite my reservations with aspects of 14 PvP Discord, it is clear to me - and should be clear to SQEX - that such communities are the most invested in the PvP game modes, and that their combined experience of playing the modes should make them a resource to be listened to, not an irritant to be ignored. Unfortunately I don't see a way forward, and the latest iteration of FL has me close to giving up on the whole thing.

Maybe me not joining the forums sooner has contributed, but there is multiple SE reps in Revival. If they choose to be oblivious of sentiment within the server that they can see, then that is on them and not us. And this is also the forum system where catgirl porn stayed up for a whole week before being removed; I am dubious that *anyone* paid by SE takes it seriously either. I'm not really sold on "being more active on the forums" is the answer; simple fact is SE chooses not to listen to us, for whatever reason.

I agree with your end conclusion regardless: it'd be nice if they listened to someone that actually plays PvP enough to have a real understanding, whether it's from within my team or elsewhere altogether.

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I was responding to Atreus' assertion that we plebs were unaware of the communication channel that the elites have to the devs.

As the owner of Revival I would like to see you have more access to the devs. Maybe the fact you didn't join the official forums until last month is holding you back.

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Precious post was in response to this. I have forgotten how to work a forum in 2024 apparently o_O

My problem with communities is that I never know which one is sanitized and which one isn't. Revival for instance tries to be welcoming which I appreciate, while fostering lightly moderated channels (opt-in) for DC centric post game malding and toxicity. Before this it was just public DC specific channels where moderation was supposed to happened, but never did. This sends very mixed signals to me.

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My problem with communities is that I never know which one is sanitized and which one isn't. Revival for instance tries to be welcoming which I appreciate, while fostering lightly moderated channels (opt-in) for DC centric post game malding and toxicity. Before this it was just public DC specific channels where moderation was supposed to happened, but never did. This sends very mixed signals to me.

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This right here is why I don't like being in PvP communities.

While I get that some people want to vent, I firmly believe that post-match malding and toxicity have no place in a community that wants to be welcoming, because there is a chance that the person that someone is malding about happens to be in the same community and knows that they're being complained about, that's not a great feeling I'm sure.

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This right here is why I don't like being in PvP communities.

While I get that some people want to vent, I firmly believe that post-match malding and toxicity have no place in a community that wants to be welcoming, because there is a chance that the person that someone is malding about happens to be in the same community and knows that they're being complained about, that's not a great feeling I'm sure.

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Can only agree to this. And even if said players aren't part of the community, if you are someone who tends to make similar mistakes or who is of a comparable skill level as the people they complain about you can count 2 and 2 together and realize you probably cause the same type of frustration. Because sometimes it's less about the person themselves. They can be more of a proxy for certain deficits/ways to mess up. The only reason why you are not talked about in a post-game channel could be because others know you are reading.

For players that still need practice this can send mixed messages. On the one hand the community is about learning and there is no shame in still needing to improve, on the other hand those who are in a state of learning similar to yours are judged (sometimes harshly) precisely for making those mistakes.

And sure, this will often come from a place of spontaneous annoyance after losing yet another game and people just want to let it out somewhere. I understand that kind of frustration and the person venting might not even dislike you generally speaking.

But it might still make that sense of a community, that welcomes learning, feel kind of conditional because you know you can be – or maybe already are/have been – that source of irritation and that "lame duck”/”burden” on someone’s team (burden sounds a bit too dramatic, sorry, but I can't think of a better word right now, so take it with some grains of salt).

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Previous post was in response to this. I have forgotten how to work a forum in 2024 apparently o_O

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Understood, my company like most others moved off forums several years ago.

Since you are here, I'd like to share my experience as someone who joined Revival about a year ago and subsequently left. As Valence notes, there is an attempt to be welcoming which should be commended. The light moderation, OTOH, is IMO a serious problem and very different to the approach I took as a Discord mod.

Because I have modded, I take server etiquette seriously. Different communities work to different standards, and simply figuring out the sort of questions/content being posted, the preferred channels for different content, and so on, is something I like to suss out before sticking my oar in. So I lurk for a bit on any new server.

Revival puzzled me. My interest is primarily FL, so that is the channel I looked at most. It appeared to be being used as a general chat room, despite the presence on the server of a "general" channel. It was cluttered with images of adventure plates, memes and gifs. Typically I would expect pins in this channel to feature evergreen content of interest to FL players, but this was not the case.

You mention you have SE reps on Revival. How are they supposed to take the temperature of the room when so much of the content is clutter?

Communities by their nature develop their own customs and conventions, but looking for information about FL and being confronted by incomprehensible "in jokes" and anime girls with big boobs simply made Revival feel cliquey and unwelcoming to me. And when I asked what I thought was a sensible question about playing WAR in FL, I was again met with random images and nonsense.

One of your mods was kind enough to DM me and apologize, while an experienced FL player also DMd me and we had a very productive discussion about situational-variations in the ordering of skills in WAR's burst.

I should emphasize that this was before anyone had connected my Discord handle to my FF14 character. Once that happened I'm perfectly willing to accept that the rudeness I received was deserved given the sniping I have done here. I also appreciate that nobody on your server is getting paid, whereas as a mod I was. Thus I had greater motivation to moderate channels so that they were actually useful to everyone, and not just a select few using the FL channel as a chat room.

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I did find the LFG channel useful since it allowed me to avoid certain premades, and as mentioned above I met some people with whom I had productive discussions about FL jobs and strategy via DM. Ultimately I left because of the hostility and nastiness directed at the player base as a whole from a noisy subset of your members. I don't know if the stats from my server are representative, but there the vast majority of our members lurk. I suspect on Revival you have a significant population of such lurkers who are the "FL randos" that are constantly abused by some regular posters. You'll understand why I chuckled darkly when it was mentioned earlier in this thread that PvP Discord has cleaned its bed. That doesn't conform to my experience, even on a server that I genuinely respect. Others are far worse.

Anyway, I don't know if that is helpful at all, and I apologize to the OP for the derail, but hopefully you can take these observations as constructive, and not just assume it's Mawlzy going off again.

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My problem with communities is that I never know which one is sanitized and which one isn't.

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The two I linked at the start of this thread, Rising Stars and Temari's, are both pretty chill -- so if you're interested in what they have to offer, I can guarantee they'll be sanitized.
Same with another group, PvPrincesses. The folks that come out to the queue syncs are just there to play the game in coordinated groups and would be more than happy to teach someone some good Frontlines cadence.

Revival's had some moderation issues in the past, due to it's size and the mods being an all-volunteer force, but it's much better now.
PvPrimal is also fine. Mostly a hub for organizing games to play, playing them, and going home.
There's one for OCE and EU too, but I don't hang around there often enough to know if they're clean. Aussies can be brutal lol

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The two I linked at the start of this thread, Rising Stars and Temari's, are both pretty chill -- so if you're interested in what they have to offer, I can guarantee they'll be sanitized.
Same with another group, PvPrincesses. The folks that come out to the queue syncs are just there to play the game in coordinated groups and would be more than happy to teach someone some good Frontlines cadence.

Revival's had some moderation issues in the past, due to it's size and the mods being an all-volunteer force, but it's much better now.
PvPrimal is also fine. Mostly a hub for organizing games to play, playing them, and going home.
There's one for OCE and EU too, but I don't hang around there often enough to know if they're clean. Aussies can be brutal lol

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The loyalty you show your friends is admirable.

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The two I linked at the start of this thread, Rising Stars and Temari's, are both pretty chill -- so if you're interested in what they have to offer, I can guarantee they'll be sanitized.
Same with another group, PvPrincesses. The folks that come out to the queue syncs are just there to play the game in coordinated groups and would be more than happy to teach someone some good Frontlines cadence.

Revival's had some moderation issues in the past, due to it's size and the mods being an all-volunteer force, but it's much better now.
PvPrimal is also fine. Mostly a hub for organizing games to play, playing them, and going home.
There's one for OCE and EU too, but I don't hang around there often enough to know if they're clean. Aussies can be brutal lol

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Last I checked, PvPrimal was worthless for farming CC/Frontline wins since there were basically no groups being formed.

Certainly wouldn't mind a golden ticket to whatever private Discord is running all these queue syncs seemingly all hours of the day, since the matchmaking in both modes has made it impossible to win for ages. Pity if you need those colossal win achievements.

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Last I checked, PvPrimal was worthless for farming CC/Frontline wins since there were basically no groups being formed.

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Ehhh they run queue syncs every Friday & have a ping for people who want to group up to play Frontline.

They're not private but they're not guaranteeing any wins. Feel free to join the syncs tho:
https://discord.gg/pvprimal

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The two I linked at the start of this thread, Rising Stars and Temari's, are both pretty chill -- so if you're interested in what they have to offer, I can guarantee they'll be sanitized.
Same with another group, PvPrincesses.

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That sounds good. Perhaps when ranked is less active on my end I might take a peek, especially considering I just threw the towel with pve in XIV.
What is the main difference between all those servers? Do they really need to be all distinct instead of more centralized?

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Last I checked, PvPrimal was worthless for farming CC/Frontline wins since there were basically no groups being formed.

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What in the wintrade shenanigans is CC win farming...

omg gary kettle
head of pvprimal and leader of the discord mafia hegemony

can u sign my portrait

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What is the main difference between all those servers? Do they really need to be all distinct instead of more centralized?

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Well, most of these communities started with one person having an idea for an event and made their own server, rather than getting approval/permission from one of the larger ones. Over time it grew to be a staple of the community and the rest is history.

Which is how I started mine. I wanted to see more Crystalline Conflict tournaments so I made a discord server that I could customize to better feed information to team leads/friends. Sure I could have latched onto PvPrimal or Revival or some other large server but personally, I like doing my own thing.

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My problem with communities is that I never know which one is sanitized and which one isn't. Revival for instance tries to be welcoming which I appreciate, while fostering lightly moderated channels (opt-in) for DC centric post game malding and toxicity. Before this it was just public DC specific channels where moderation was supposed to happened, but never did. This sends very mixed signals to me.

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It's a change of signals. If you've been around Revival for a bit, you know that ranked conversation used to dominate the DC channels, and it made for a pretty uncomfortable environment for the people who were trying to do anything else. It was also uncomfortable even for some of the people who were doing ranked, heard from multiple consistent t-100s, who just didn't want to deal with criticism against their will if they made a mistake.

So the opt-in section is meant to funnel that ranked PvP intensity, give them a place to exist within the server, while keeping the rest of it cozy to the people who don't care to be a part of it. The sweaties have their home, and it unlocks the rest of the server for the frontliners, and the rival wingers, and the duelers, and the people looking for mentoring, and the people who wanna share cat memes, who don't want that bleeding into their preferred spaces. It's not that the sweaties have their opt-in section and the entire rest of the server. They have that one space, and the rest of the server is cleaner for it. And while we're still getting comfy with how to moderate it, it is still moderated.
There's an expectation of personal respect that everyone who opted in agreed to, and we've pushed back against people who have gone too far.

There are a lot of volunteers who put in a ton of time and effort to make Revival a cozy place, and I absolutely mean this when I say that, if there's something you'd like to see different, don't hesitate to let us know. Open a ticket or put it in the suggestions channel. And if you don't want a the entire admin and mod team to see who you are but you have something on your mind? Feel free to DM me. They're always open, and I try my best to be a teddy bear. I've put years of effort into trying to make Revival a better place, and the majority of the improvements we've made have come from people who don't have any staff roles.

Also these are the same forums where PLD Onsal cover cheese was reported as a bug within 2 weeks of being released, and quickly moved to "Working as Intended". It took 6 months for them to finally get it right. This is unfortunately, but absolutely, not a place to be taken seriously when it comes to developer/player contact.

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And if you don't want a the entire admin and mod team to see who you are but you have something on your mind? Feel free to DM me. They're always open, and I try my best to be a teddy bear.

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Yeah at least anecdotally, it's already helped a few of my friends come back to Revival. Tbh the ranked discussions were just a reality I had accepted, but yall basically added a smoking zone outside so the rest of us could enjoy our meal (read: memeing about roulette and Frontline).

But I'd like to open a ticket:
host another CC tournament please I wanna play in more pretty please with an axe on top

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It's a change of signals. If you've been around Revival for a bit, you know that ranked conversation used to dominate the DC channels, and it made for a pretty uncomfortable environment for the people who were trying to do anything else. It was also uncomfortable even for some of the people who were doing ranked, heard from multiple consistent t-100s, who just didn't want to deal with criticism against their will if they made a mistake.

So the opt-in section is meant to funnel that ranked PvP intensity, give them a place to exist within the server, while keeping the rest of it cozy to the people who don't care to be a part of it. The sweaties have their home, and it unlocks the rest of the server for the frontliners, and the rival wingers, and the duelers, and the people looking for mentoring, and the people who wanna share cat memes, who don't want that bleeding into their preferred spaces. It's not that the sweaties have their opt-in section and the entire rest of the server. They have that one space, and the rest of the server is cleaner for it. And while we're still getting comfy with how to moderate it, it is still moderated.
There's an expectation of personal respect that everyone who opted in agreed to, and we've pushed back against people who have gone too far.

There are a lot of volunteers who put in a ton of time and effort to make Revival a cozy place, and I absolutely mean this when I say that, if there's something you'd like to see different, don't hesitate to let us know. Open a ticket or put it in the suggestions channel. And if you don't want a the entire admin and mod team to see who you are but you have something on your mind? Feel free to DM me. They're always open, and I try my best to be a teddy bear. I've put years of effort into trying to make Revival a better place, and the majority of the improvements we've made have come from people who don't have any staff roles.

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Yes I was probably part of those ranked players that weren't exactly comfortable with it the previous DC channels. They do definitely look comfier now!

I do understand the idea to give them their own room, but I guess what I find sad is that a big part of the players I was expecting to interact with since I saw them in all of my diam/crystal games, were also the sweaties you're talking about. It's a bit sad that there is no way to have a comfy room of mature players able to talk casually about post game shenanigans. If anything it's not on the discord, but on the general fauna past certain ranks.

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but on the general fauna past certain ranks.

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I don't know why but calling them "fauna" is the funniest thing to me LOL

But that's more a side effect of putting the entire ranked pool into one DC, isn't it? Like with maybe 20 games going on at any given point, it's hard to know if the exact players in your game are in this one discord channel.

It'll be more likely to happen later in the season when ranked dies down, probably maybe hopefully.

I was mostly talking about my experience in Endwalker. Jury's still out on Dawntrail.

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Also these are the same forums where PLD Onsal cover cheese was reported as a bug within 2 weeks of being released, and quickly moved to "Working as Intended". It took 6 months for them to finally get it right. This is unfortunately, but absolutely, not a place to be taken seriously when it comes to developer/player contact.

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I sadly have to agree with you. And the corollary is I'm finding it impossible to take PvP seriously given SQEX's approach to it and the fact the feedback we provide has zero impact.