A reminder to everyone about generational differences

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Originally Posted by Kakurady

Despite having seeing it many times, and know what to do when the markers appear, yesterday I had to ask in Novice Network what "limit cut" refers to. And I'm a Battle Mentor.

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That's because the fandom insists on referring to generic concepts by the name of a single battle instance rather than something that actually describes the concept.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

That's because the fandom insists on referring to generic concepts by the name of a single battle instance rather than something that actually describes the concept.

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I cringe whenever I hear someone in a static refer to an In/Out mechanic as Domino or Chariot during shot calls.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

I realize you were using this clockwise business as an illustrative example, but I am genuinely interested in the assertion that a native English speaker could have never come across the term. It would require them to have never rotated anything, unless there is another modern term for indicating the direction of rotational motion. At the very least, it would be routinely used in grade school math and science classes. Moreover, "clockwise" is self-explanatory for all those who have seen an analog clock; that is, everyone.

When I started playing XIV, there was a lot of terminology I didn't know, either because it is specific to the game or part of the lexicon of the younger generation. Google solved this issue in ten seconds.

You mention someone explicitly told you they didn't understand the term. I'd suggest they were pulling your leg/yanking your chain/messing with you.

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I really would just let the joke fall flat then and remind him and anyone else in the group that if you don't know something? Even if you think it is the most simple question do not belittle people for what they do not know and you don't need to 'pretend' to be stupid to me if that is indeed your intention. I will know it. Again this all needs context and is hypothetical.

And I thought I was stupid lol

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Originally Posted by Fhaerron

And I thought I was stupid lol

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Hadn't had my coffee yet. But self degrading comments like this genuinely aren't good for you. One last thought. Knowledge isn't more important than the capacity to learn.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

But some of those differences are definitely age related because some of what was commonplace 50 years ago are almost never used anymore or in a few cases no longer even exist outside of museums and archives.

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It’s a clock not an old modem or windows 2000.
It doesn’t matter if you are 12, 30, 50 or whatever. You learn what clockwise and counterclockwise means in child care.
Even language doesn’t matter here.

If you are at an age where you play this game knowing the two different rotations of a clock or screwdriver should be expected and if not then you go and look it up.

With all due respect Jojoya this whole thing is an absolute nonissue.
You would have had a point if you referred to ff14 specific things like limit cut or Mario cart but clockwise and counterclockwise is basic knowledge and should be expected to know.

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I am not against explaining things if people ask even basic stuff.
But things like cw and ccw will obviously get more than a few raised eyebrows and I think no one is in the wrong to expect such basic knowledge in the game.

Was this post made by one of those guys in Crystal PF that I was progging P3S with back in Endwalker?
Did you ever learn how to do single digit math, or understand that Left and Right isn't always the same as West and East?

I thought people not knowing how to read analog clocks was a joke


is NA education really this cooked?

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Originally Posted by SylvAlternate

I thought people not knowing how to read analog clocks was a joke


is NA education really this cooked?

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Have you seen common core math? It was a shitshow 15 years ago when my brother was learning basic arithmetic in elementary and I was recently out of college. I had taken math up to calculus 3 and partial differential equations. I also tutored algebra, pre-calc, trigonometry, and Calc I and I couldn't understand what the hell was being taught in common core. I can only imagine how bad it is now.

Also, this thread made me realize if I ever have kids I'm forcing their phones to only use analog style clocks to show time.

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Originally Posted by SylvAlternate

I thought people not knowing how to read analog clocks was a joke


is NA education really this cooked?

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Mao been hearings some pretty scary stories from some of Mao friends whats has grandkids in school. Thems been telling Mao that teachers whats teaching thems grandkids is not teaching the three "R"s. Some of Mao friends have decided to help thems kids and partially eat the cost of thems kids homeschooling thems grandkids.

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Originally Posted by SylvAlternate

I thought people not knowing how to read analog clocks was a joke


is NA education really this cooked?

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I am an Asian who finished K12 at my native country before migrate to the US. It's a combination of a lot of factor:

- Curriculum: if I'm of a conspiracy mind, I would suggest common course math is not designed to lay foundation, but designed to shatter student's confidence in math because they're so convoluted they have to be on purpose. This is not a hyperbolic, but even if you had learnt Calculus from another country, you'll struggle to make sense of elementary text book over here. And what if I'm not of a conspiracy mind? The most generous assessment would be the curriculum is designed to satisfy the adult ego, rather than to teach kids.

- Social pressure: in Asia the reason why school tend to be more successful is because the attitude they take toward educators in general. They still get shit pay for the most part, but at least they get respect, mine actually put educator a rank above parents. People also understand the saying "it takes a village to raise a kids", so there tend to be a united effort to make sure kids can learn. This means holding the teachers responsible, but also the parents as well. In America, educator received shit pay, has no respect, but have to shoulder 100% of the responsibility while being neutered to the point of having no power over the kids. This lead to a situation that not a lot of people want to go into this career, leading to a permanent shortage of instructors, and the one you do get tend to be the bottom of the barrel.

- Politic: education basically have become a free for all of ideology politic. The left will blame the right for budget cut and religious influence, the right will point at the infiltration of activism poisoning ... and the scariest part is? They're both right. I mentioned "bottom of the barrel" earlier, what his mean specifically is: if you're lucky, you get people who became educator as their plan C due to them either lacking talent or couldn't compete in the field or in the industry. If you are unlucky ... you get activist ... not educators. Take science and biology education for example, from the right, you'll have "educator" who want to blaster religious overtone on it, from the left, you'll have educators who prefer to teach gender identity over actual biological difference. Basically, a lot of conversation about education in the US has nothing to do with education, but more about ideology politic with both side vying to shape the younger minds to their liking.


So no, I woundn't say NA's education in the US cooked, more like being burnt to a crisp.

ahahahahaha...
https://i.imgur.com/WpyS8L0.png
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Originally Posted by Kakurady

The Webcomic XKCD makes the point that given the birth rate of the United States, for each thing that "everyone knows" when they are adults, every day there are 10000 people who hear it for the first time.
There's an XKCD for everything.


So let's not mock people who do not know things, even common things, if they are willing to learn. They're one of today's lucky ten thousand, because one can only experience the wonders of learning something for the first time once.

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I think most of the pushback in this thread is that the example was presented as a generational issue. It's not just that they didn't know something, but that they claimed it's normal for young people to not know that thing.

If the example hadn't been clockwise but instead was something like "We were doing Ozma and I said we're doing the JFK strat and then we wiped because the zoomer didn't know that meant to take the meteors 'back and to the left'" then sure you could blame that on generational knowledge.

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Originally Posted by Vizi

ahahahahaha...
https://i.imgur.com/WpyS8L0.png
....AHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH

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Asian mode Construct 7

Other than clockwise, he could have used starboard and port/leeward.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Other than clockwise, he could have used starboard and port/leeward.

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Aye, throw that bowline over starboard

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Other than clockwise, he could have used starboard and port/leeward.

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I don't see how those are interchangeable. Port and starboard are for defining fixed positions relative to the direction the thing is facing; clockwise defines the direction of movement around it.

Hi, baby millennial here. We literally got taught analog clocks at school. They are still all over the place, even though digital clocks prevail over them. It's not a difficult concept to explain or understand. It's no worse for a newbie raider as all the other terminology - I know I was confused as hell about "limit cut" in P2S because that's not what the mechanic is called in that fight. But you know what happened? I asked and it was explained to me. And that's the end of that problem. You're overthinking it.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Other than clockwise, he could have used starboard and port/leeward.

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Because a person who doesn't know the analog clocks knows the sides of a ship, right?

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Originally Posted by SylvAlternate

I thought people not knowing how to read analog clocks was a joke


is NA education really this cooked?

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It's the "no child left behind" policy that messed the system up big time at least in the beginning. Teachers are not allowed to fail or hold back kids now, so kids are going all the way to high school without knowing the basics of anything because they don't need to. Combine that with parents who simply give their kids something with a screen and call it parenting, or are so heavily involved and themselves brainwashed by the storm of pseudoscience and misinformation that is flooding social media, dictating to the teachers what they feel should and should not be taught and taking things all the way to the school boards, which have ppl like the "moms for liberty" and other ultra conservative groups trying to infultrate them and yeah...we are not in a good place.

Keep the population uninformed and uneducated and you have an easy to control and manipulate masses that will keep them in power. Anti-intellectualism is no joke.

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Originally Posted by PercibelTheren

Because a person who doesn't know the analog clocks knows the sides of a ship, right?

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They'll literally have to if they want to do Omega's starboard/larboard mechanics.

"Generational differences"

If someone asks you the time, and you tell them it's a quarter after 4, they should be able to know you mean 4:15 and not 4:25 because for whatever reason they think "well a quarter is 25 cents right?" Or if you tell them the time is ten to five, they should know that you mean 4:50 and not 10:25 because they think "well you said 10, 2 and 5 in a row right?"

Not giving the time examples above because I've experienced that before. Definitely not.

Either way, there comes an age when you should at least know some genuinely basic terms and what they mean, like clockwise and counter-clock wise in this specific example. Even if you rarely use those terms yourself, it shouldn't be some huge stretch for someone to expect you to know something that you normally should learn about when you're like 7 or 8 years old.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

The problem in this situation is that no one was wrong and that's because the different generations approach things differently based on their own experiences.

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Could not disagree more, if you dont understand the explanation given by your raidlead then you speak up right there instead of wiping 10 times to the thing you dont understand. Especially when it's a word you dont understand. Pointing at never having used an analog clock because of zoomer is genuinely the lamest excuse ever. Literally just ask.

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Originally Posted by Eyrilona

They'll literally have to if they want to do Omega's starboard/larboard mechanics.

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Considering how many people it confuses, it's a good thing we don't use those terms more often.