7.1 - More Wuk Lamat

For the poeople saying that up to 7.3 is locked in, Yoshi-P had an interview this month at PAX Australia where he seems to be saying the opposite.

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The other factor was Wuk Lamat. She’s a very complex character, and she even has a bit of a complex about herself. Unfortunately, we didn’t delve very far into the background of why she had those feelings, so it appeared as if she left a negative impression. We accept that feedback. I feel a little sorry that we weren’t able to properly depict her. We may have been able to make her more straightforward, so we’re pushing her in the forefront as this character. But again, we’re going to be reflecting that learning into [content patch 7.1] and onward, we’re hoping that we can show more of what makes Wuk Lamat so great, and I’m hoping that we can regain from there.

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Seems like they have decided that the players who dislike Wuk Lamat are wrong and only don't like her because she wasn't given proper development, so they intend to angle 7.1 and onward to correct that by having more of her.

full interview is here
https://checkpointgaming.net/feature...-of-dawntrail/

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

For the poeople saying that up to 7.3 is locked in, Yoshi-P had an interview this month at PAX Australia where he seems to be saying the opposite.



Seems like they have decided that the players who dislike Wuk Lamat are wrong and only don't like her because she wasn't given proper development, so they intend to angle 7.1 and onward to correct that by having more of her.

full interview is here
https://checkpointgaming.net/feature...-of-dawntrail/

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For me it reads more like that the patches will still have Wuk Lamat in them like planned beforehand. He is now trying to sell it as something “good” or tries to spin some kind of reason for that instead of saying what it actually is.

Maybe I am naive in that regard or completely wrong but I don’t read out of it that they changed anything in the 7.1 story or my English is just not good enough to pick up a specific wording.

I agree though that his answers are as tone deaf as always and are a huge pile of poop on all the feedback.

I don’t know. I just want to think positive for the moment and give them the benefit of the doubt. If I give up here and now I don’t know if I will ever return.
If the story stays abysmal in the future or that furry gets even more center stage after 7.3 then I will leave this game but until then I wait and give them a chance.

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I do find the wording discusting though.
Like we are too stupid to see the greatness of their little fetish doll.
It’s a really ugly self glorifying take from him.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

But again, we’re going to be reflecting that learning into [content patch 7.1] and onward, we’re hoping that we can show more of what makes Wuk Lamat so great, and I’m hoping that we can regain from there.

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Originally Posted by Voidmage

For me it reads more like that the patches will still have Wuk Lamat in them like planned beforehand. He is now trying to sell it as something “good” or tries to spin some kind of reason for that instead of saying what it actually is.

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I agree though that his answers are as tone deaf as always and are a huge pile of poop on all the feedback.

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I do find the wording discusting though.
Like we are too stupid to see the greatness of their little fetish doll.
It’s a really ugly self glorifying take from him.

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"This Self-Insert Mary Sue OC is so great guys, truly, she is not as awful as everyone believes, trust me bro! Give her a chance!" :rolleyes:

This is very much the typical Yoshi "Don't retire from our game please" PR reply from every interview since DT launch that I have come to expect.

Not surprised. I expect appearances to say the least but if I get the inkling that she's going to consume the story as obnoxiously as she did in 7.0 then I am skipping the story, and I will continue to skip the story indefinitely until they elect to actually give some proper development.

It's pretty common that they don't have the .3 story finalized at the start. What they usually say is they have a vague idea of it, and as we get closer, the interviews tend to show them becoming more sure of what it is.

So they probably had Wuk Lamat planned all along but may change details of her expression to explain her better as Yoshi-P said.

The main thing is that the development cycle for things like models from concept art all the way to being made and tested is around 8 months, so certainly it will get locked in as we get closer.

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Originally Posted by Voidmage

I do find the wording disgusting though.
Like we are too stupid to see the greatness of their little fetish doll.
It’s a really ugly, self-glorifying take from him.

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I couldn't agree more. There are tone deaf responses then there are real tone deaf responses. Yoshi's statements fall in the latter.

I can't believe this is the same guy who saved Final Fantasy XIV back in the day. Yoshi has gone from being a visionary game maker to becoming yet another corporate-speak spouting suit who ignores all feedback except from his circle of yes men.

He lost his soul and the game is now in a slow death spiral of mediocrity. A real leader would have listened to his paying customers, looked for common themes among the legitimitate feedback, and made necessary changes regardless of whether or not things were already completed.

I used to own a restaurant and when my customers were dissatisfied with a something, I'd address it. Because that's what a successful businessman does. I didn't dig in my heels and start gaslighting my customers like they didn't know what they were talking about. That would have been madness.

Yet, Yoshi P is doing exactly that. It's time to clean house, Square Enix. Either act now or lose your big money maker.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

For the poeople saying that up to 7.3 is locked in, Yoshi-P had an interview this month at PAX Australia where he seems to be saying the opposite.



Seems like they have decided that the players who dislike Wuk Lamat are wrong and only don't like her because she wasn't given proper development, so they intend to angle 7.1 and onward to correct that by having more of her.

full interview is here
https://checkpointgaming.net/feature...-of-dawntrail/

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And this is what I don't like, they took lyse out of the way when they saw she was having a negative impact on the reviews but they can't do the same with wuk lamat it seems pathetic to me.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

You realize this stuff was already set in stone by the time your feedback was presented, yes?

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True but lets not act like they care about feedback here

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Originally Posted by Sifpatata

And this is what I don't like, they took lyse out of the way when they saw she was having a negative impact on the reviews

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I think that she was always going to become the leader of something, one way or another. It seemed like she would be involved in the leadership of Ala Mhigo, but there was a more experienced and confident individual from Ala Mhigo to do that - Raubahn. We'd probably be complaining about the plothole of not making Raubahn leader if they hadn't done so.

So they made her a military leader instead. And if you consider all the events of Stormblood itself, such as her relationship with Conrad, it makes a whole lot more sense that she continue his work on the military since that's what he wanted. That plot was setup in the expansion itself as if it were planned all along. As a practitioner of the Monk arts it makes a lot of sense that she train at Rhalgr's Reach, the ancient home of the Monks.

She did actually continue being in some of the patches, just like Wuk Lamat is. And just like Lyse, Wuk Lamat will likely not continue being in the story much once we're done with the New World. But we'll see of course.

Another superb story with Wuk Lamat that so many players will enjoy and…….. skip cutscenes. Also why in the hell do they wanna do character development for Zooral Ja after he’s dead already????? Like my guy needed some development while alive and not some shit like “dad bad, now I’m also bad dad hur dur”, does anybody really care now for ZJ ??? Also would be mega surprised if the consequences of us killing the queen will be a story point but I assume they top toe around it because “muh friendship, understanding and peace expansion now talk with Wuk for more peace and taco talk”

Looking at those screenshots, I'm worried that Wuk Lamat is going to convince the people of Solution 9 to plug Sphene's weird cyber-crown back into a computer or something which will bring her semi back to live, and then everyone can have their favorites pretty sparkle princess back and learn zero lessons about the cost of souls. Everything will go back to the status quo except there's no more Endless Living Memory Purgatory for digitized memories to go rot away in after a person dies, and any attempt to talk WL out of this friendship plan will end with a lecture on how we just need to understand the Alexandrian's culture more and befriend them (like we didn't get enough of that in 7.0).

Also I don't give a flip about Baby Ja. He's annoying and stupid. His introduction checked almost every box of "annoying child character" tropes list I have. I don't think he's cute. I don't think he's endearing. It makes NO SENSE to give him any power and authority over Alexandria, considering his dad was almost universally hated by the people. But honestly every character in Dawntrail was so lobotomized that I'm not sure there's ANYONE competent enough to get put in charge of the place that wouldn't feel stupid at this point.

The issue I have personally is that the base story landed so poorly with me that any follow up story content we get is kinda pre-emptively ruined. I don't care about any issues or hooks introduced throughout the whole of DT. I'm sick of it all already and it just reminds me of how much of a squandered opportunity the whole thing was. The well's been poisoned.

Again, you should've told the "past of Zoraal Ja" in the actual story, not the follow up for more of a resonance. This is a case of literally "Who asked" it's too late to flesh him out now in the story.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

For the poeople saying that up to 7.3 is locked in, Yoshi-P had an interview this month at PAX Australia where he seems to be saying the opposite.

Seems like they have decided that the players who dislike Wuk Lamat are wrong and only don't like her because she wasn't given proper development, so they intend to angle 7.1 and onward to correct that by having more of her.

full interview is here
https://checkpointgaming.net/feature...-of-dawntrail/

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Thanks for the link. I think the quote “we’re going to be reflecting that learning into [content patch 7.1] and onward” more likely means minor adjustments, maybe rephrasing WL’s lines here and there to make her more “straightforward.” I doubt it means they have a lot of leeway to make big changes to the story, like some are calling for in this thread.

In any case, yeah, this interview makes it clear that regardless of player feedback, they’re going to keep pushing WL until they Make Wuk Lamat Great Again.

You know, I have seen a lot of these posts, and I do wonder why people keep bringing it up. It is that they see the character and want to stir up problems again and want people to seethe and hate again. I can see why people would hate DT MSQ, but to completely honest are you really surprised that it isn't like ShB or EW. Those expansion was the rise to the crescendo of the original story the pinnacle and concussion of the original 1.0 story.

How are you suppose to even top that in the next expansion? Are you really that surprised that the start of a new story chain starts off slow? I compared DT to ARR I toned down my expectations well before launch, I knew from the start the DT was not going to be ShB or EW.

I get why people are upset too, it is our character and our story, being in the backseat doesn't feel that great. Where a new character took front and center and we were on the sideline.

Did I like the story? It was fine, nothing to write home about, still waiting for all the post-MSQ to give a final answer. Do I like Wuk Lamat? I think she was fine but i will agree the screen time was a lot. Is DT a bad expansion? Can't say for sure till all the content is released. Is this the end of FFXIV? Not even close.

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Originally Posted by SWATomega

You know, I have seen a lot of these posts, and I do wonder why people keep bringing it up. It is that they see the character and want to stir up problems again and want people to seethe and hate again. I can see why people would hate DT MSQ, but to completely honest are you really surprised that it isn't like ShB or EW. Those expansion was the rise to the crescendo of the original story the pinnacle and concussion of the original 1.0 story.

How are you suppose to even top that in the next expansion? Are you really that surprised that the start of a new story chain starts off slow? I compared DT to ARR I toned down my expectations well before launch, I knew from the start the DT was not going to be ShB or EW.

I get why people are upset too, it is our character and our story, being in the backseat doesn't feel that great. Where a new character took front and center and we were on the sideline.

Did I like the story? It was fine, nothing to write home about, still waiting for all the post-MSQ to give a final answer. Do I like Wuk Lamat? I think she was fine but i will agree the screen time was a lot. Is DT a bad expansion? Can't say for sure till all the content is released. Is this the end of FFXIV? Not even close.

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The 7.x patches are not finished and are not even finalized yet. They are still maleable and can be changed with enough feedback from the community. That's the purpose of giving feedback on these forums. To get the Dev team and Community team's attention to tell them what players want, and they can make changes to reflect that.
That's how live service games work.

We want better writing and don't want any more of Wuk Lamat taking center stage over Krile, Erenville, and our WoLs, and are willing to unsub if it doesn't improve in 7.1. This thread is to convey that. It's not that complicated.

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Originally Posted by Fatch38

oh look what time it is... yup, time to skip cutscenes

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Good for you. Ima be enjoying cutscenes as always lmfao

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Originally Posted by ovIm

Keep your expectations realistic. As much as I disliked the Wuk Lamat centric writing in 7.0, I would assume they can implement changes at 7.3 the earliest, really. Square's development cycle is too long.

Even if every single player in FF14 hated Wuk Lamat, Square would not have been able to course correct that quickly.

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I would disagree with this assessment if Yoshi's and his team are the same people from 8-10 years ago. Or if FF14 still command the respect of a flagship tittle it used to have. Don't forget:

- 1.0 version shut down on November 2012
- 2.0 was launched in August 2013 - 11 months later.

Even if we pad in another 3-5 months to assume the 2.0 developement had begun prior to 1.0 shut down. That's still ~15month for them to create a 40-60h of content that was packed in the 2.0 launch.

So the notion of 4-5 months is too short for them to change what would be ~1h of MSQ because it's an unreasonable and impossible task ... yeah I don't buy it. Even if they only work HALF as hard as they did during the 2.0 launch cycle, changing the MSQ content of DT shouldn't be anything resemblance an impossible task.

But given the current energy and effort being invested into the game these days ... yeah, what you say would be a fair assessment. I don't think they're ignoring the feedback, but to be clear: they don't change it not because they're unable to. It's simple because they probably believe they don't need to or don't want to.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

Even if we pad in another 3-5 months to assume the 2.0 developement had begun prior to 1.0 shut down. That's still ~15month for them to create a 40-60h of content that was packed in the 2.0 launch.

So the notion of 4-5 months is too short for them to change what would be ~1h of MSQ because it's an unreasonable and impossible task ... yeah I don't buy it. Even if they only work HALF as hard as they did during the 2.0 launch cycle, changing the MSQ content of DT shouldn't be anything resemblance an impossible task..

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There's one major difference that I'm thinking of here though.

He and whatever team he had with him back then, came in already knowing that 1.0 was a dumpster fire they had to put out. With DT, they didn't know Poochie was going to be a disaster until people who finished MSQ started sending in feedback.

You could also argue that the blemishes (Or one blemish, a massive one) in the story should have been obvious enough if they did play through it as they say they do and should have prepared accordingly, alas, if that had been the case, then we would have had a delay in DT and we didn't.

But I personally think that arguing whether or not we should or should not be getting her back in 7.1, it's rather pointless. She's gonna be there, it was mostly expected... might as well keep the feedback coming and get through it.

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Originally Posted by Midare

There's one major difference that I'm thinking of here though.

He and whatever team he had with him back then, came in already knowing that 1.0 was a dumpster fire they had to put out. With DT, they didn't know Poochie was going to be a disaster until people who finished MSQ started sending in feedback.

You could also argue that the blemishes (Or one blemish, a massive one) in the story should have been obvious enough if they did play through it as they say they do and should have prepared accordingly, alas, if that had been the case, then we would have had a delay in DT and we didn't.

But I personally think that arguing whether or not we should or should not be getting her back in 7.1, it's rather pointless. She's gonna be there, it was mostly expected... might as well keep the feedback coming and get through it.

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There were threads on here complaining since 6.5, we knew for a long time before Dawntrail there were issues. At that time people were told to wait and that DT would be better than the patch quests. In fact whenever people have issues with this game it goes in a cycle
-Just wait for the next patch, they can't do anything now, why give feedback about this when they probably already fixed this
-The patch is too soon to make any changes, what do you want them to do? Delay it? (we are here right now)
-The patch just came out give it some time to grow on you
-The x.1 isn't out yet
-The x.5 isn't even out yet wait till then before you give feedback
and then see the top.

Just a never ending cycle of people trying to shut down any negative feedback of the game by saying we just need to wait another 4 months and Yoshi-P will fix it.

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Originally Posted by Hallarem

Again, you should've told the "past of Zoraal Ja" in the actual story, not the follow up for more of a resonance. This is a case of literally "Who asked" it's too late to flesh him out now in the story.

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Fleshing out the Villain after a bad case of deadness is such a super amazing move “please do feel bad after it’s already too late tehe”. Why do that in the main story when you can talk about tacos/food and the power of friendship and paint him as a shitty father and a generic cheating bad guy.

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Originally Posted by Midare

There's one major difference that I'm thinking of here though.

He and whatever team he had with him back then, came in already knowing that 1.0 was a dumpster fire they had to put out. With DT, they didn't know Poochie was going to be a disaster until people who finished MSQ started sending in feedback.

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He was brought in to save 1.0, and in the first year he came in that's what he did. It's not until when 1.0 stop being a dumpster fire that the team was split to start developing 2.0.

And if you look at the pattern in the last 2-3 years you would see my point with how the handle the AST remade (promised at the beginning of 6.0 for 6.3, then delayed to 7.0) or Viera's hat which has been "on the table" for about 4 years at this point. Ask yourself, do they really need a whole 2.5 years to come out with the AST change? Should it really take them 4+ years at this point to adapt hat to viera? My point is: they know these issue, the acknowledge it, and if FF14 is still as important to them as it was before, if Yoshi and his team is still invested in the game ... those issue would still be fixed in a blink of an eyes. Time is not an issue here, commitment on the hand ...

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But I personally think that arguing whether or not we should or should not be getting her back in 7.1, it's rather pointless. She's gonna be there, it was mostly expected... might as well keep the feedback coming and get through it.

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Oh I don't disagree, like you said I think most people fully expect nothing much will change in 7.1 or even 7.3 because given the energy you see them invested in the game, it's folly to expect anything more.

My previous post simply to point out that the reason we won't see meaningful changes any time soon not because it's an impossible task, but because the team simply don't have the agency to carry out the task.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

The 7.x patches are not finished and are not even finalized yet. They are still maleable and can be changed with enough feedback from the community. That's the purpose of giving feedback on these forums. To get the Dev team and Community team's attention to tell them what players want, and they can make changes to reflect that.
That's how live service games work.

We want better writing and don't want any more of Wuk Lamat taking center stage over Krile, Erenville, and our WoLs, and are willing to unsub if it doesn't improve in 7.1. This thread is to convey that. It's not that complicated.

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Feedback is one thing, constructive feedback is always good. However beating it like a dead horse then when people get a whiff of it agian (like a screenshot of 7.1) they begin the loop all over again, it has been acknowledged already.

By how some statements are here, they don't care about the writing anymore and will happily skip the post-MSQ plot points, they are beyond wanting better writing or if Wuk Lamat improves and some want the next expansion. Some are willing to play it out to see what happens then to jump ahead.

It may not seem to be complicated but the emotions are running high and minds are made up. DT left a bad impression on one part of the community and good on the another part. THe community is split.

Fantastic guess we're going to skip every single cutscene again.

Doubling down on Wuk Lamat is a massive L. Yoshi P is completely out of touch to the point where I have to question if he is even vaguely aware of just WHY the expansion was controversial, or if he's just hiding from feedback and reading off a script to avoid confronting the truth. He's unfit to be the director if he can't take the game in a new direction.

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Originally Posted by SWATomega

Feedback is one thing, constructive feedback is always good. However beating it like a dead horse then when people get a whiff of it agian (like a screenshot of 7.1) they begin the loop all over again, it has been acknowledged already.

By how some statements are here, they don't care about the writing anymore and will happily skip the post-MSQ plot points, they are beyond wanting better writing or if Wuk Lamat improves and some want the next expansion. Some are willing to play it out to see what happens then to jump ahead.

It may not seem to be complicated but the emotions are running high and minds are made up. DT left a bad impression on one part of the community and good on the another part. THe community is split.

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I will give feedback as I like, thanks. It ruined my morning seeing the brand new 7.1 site and being immediately affronted with Wuk pictures.

Given the info about the patch is new, it’s not a dead horse to talking about her prominent presence reconfirmed when many hoped she’d just take a back seat.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

I would disagree with this assessment if Yoshi's and his team are the same people from 8-10 years ago. Or if FF14 still command the respect of a flagship tittle it used to have. Don't forget:

- 1.0 version shut down on November 2012
- 2.0 was launched in August 2013 - 11 months later.

Even if we pad in another 3-5 months to assume the 2.0 developement had begun prior to 1.0 shut down. That's still ~15month for them to create a 40-60h of content that was packed in the 2.0 launch.

So the notion of 4-5 months is too short for them to change what would be ~1h of MSQ because it's an unreasonable and impossible task ... yeah I don't buy it. Even if they only work HALF as hard as they did during the 2.0 launch cycle, changing the MSQ content of DT shouldn't be anything resemblance an impossible task.

But given the current energy and effort being invested into the game these days ... yeah, what you say would be a fair assessment. I don't think they're ignoring the feedback, but to be clear: they don't change it not because they're unable to. It's simple because they probably believe they don't need to or don't want to.

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There is something to consider here though, in terms of software development cycles:

While yes, the rewrite did happen quickly, this was before the project started being as cyclical as it is now. Once the ball for the 3-monthly (now 4-monthly) patch got rolling, CBU3 has trapped themselves in their development structure just how they trapped class design with the 120s burst stencil. Additionally, the teams most likely have changed, and they are far less flexible now than they were during the 2.0 development.

As for the last portion of your statement, I do agree. Feels like they have gotten complacent with the current position of FF14 on the market. Yoshi-PR's response is very much damage control, trying to paint what we will get in a good light pre-emptively. I wonder if we get another "what character said how many lines" for 7.1 MS, and how that will look.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

I would disagree with this assessment if Yoshi's and his team are the same people from 8-10 years ago.

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A lot of them actually started moving away during Heavensward and Stormblood. They began just overseeing and training new staff to work on Stormblood onwards, while the rest of them were working on FF16. Yes, they were doing FF16 that long ago, contrary to all who believe they only did this during Endwalker. FF16 was more or less complete by Endwalker and its team largely disbanded during Endwalker leaving a smaller team to make the DLC.

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Even if we pad in another 3-5 months to assume the 2.0 developement had begun prior to 1.0 shut down. That's still ~15month for them to create a 40-60h of content that was packed in the 2.0 launch.

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That's a wholly unfair comparison:

• They got their best staff from across Square Enix to suspend their other projects to frantically adapt their new engine (meant for Single Player games) to work for an MMORPG.
• They had so many staff working on it that they worked on 2.0 while still making patches for 1.0. In a way they kept up this habit by making patches for expansions while working on the next expansion.
• Yoshi-P kept a spreadsheet of how long they took to do tasks that accounted even for bathroom breaks and mathematically optimized it so they could remake the game in just 2 years (it normally took longer to make a good game, especially an MMORPG). This wasn't healthy for his team (most likely why after 10 years he decided to increase the gap between patches).
• They reused a lot of assets and salvaged lore and designs. Let's be honest - this is what made it possible to finish ARR as quickly as they did. Things like the Twelve were designed going back to 2005. Many of the ARR dungeons, textures, models, area concepts, characters and feature inspirations were salvaged from 1.0.

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Originally Posted by Hallarem

Again, you should've told the "past of Zoraal Ja" in the actual story, not the follow up for more of a resonance. This is a case of literally "Who asked" it's too late to flesh him out now in the story.

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Lots of people have asked. I think it's one of the biggest common comments on Dawntrail that I've seen: Zoraal Ja needed more context, and yes it should have been given in the 7.0 storyline, but it wasn't – so better late than never.

As for the larger theme of the thread here... whether players like her or not, Wuk Lamat is an important person in the space where the story is currently operating, and I would much rather see her participation brought to a logical conclusion than swept away prematurely in response to complaints.

I bet they have a Wuk magnet, plushie and statue ready to ship, and now they are trying to keep her in the cast in order to get the merch to sell.

I honestly don't mind if the writing is at least decent. My biggest beef with Wuk Lamat was how she was utilised by the story. It was never really her that was the problem, but the contrived events surrounding her.

Hell yeah it's Prishe from FF11 (CoP).

dont skip the cutscenes in 7.1 you wont be able to critizise wuk if you just skip

I wonder if Crossroads will see the Scions "divided" further than they were in 7.0. The only division the Scions had was some stayed home while some went sailing, and then a couple of them sided with the guy who would eventually go from rival to partner. If that's all the "division" was supposed to be, then, nice bait-and-switch, SE. I can't wait to see what the next bait-and-switch is gonna be. "Crossroads", maybe? They call it "Crossroads", but the only thing that makes the story feel like "Crossroads" is a casual mention of the word in mid-conversation, in the middle of a scene that 90% of the playerbase is going to insta-skip because of a certain someone.

You guys whine too much about nothing.

I never liked characters like naruto and luffy for it was the side characters that made it great. DT is all about wuk lamat and other characters get no real screentime so it sucks and becomes a very boring story.

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Originally Posted by Kikoten

I wonder if Crossroads will see the Scions "divided" further than they were in 7.0. The only division the Scions had was some stayed home while some went sailing, and then a couple of them sided with the guy who would eventually go from rival to partner. If that's all the "division" was supposed to be, then, nice bait-and-switch, SE. I can't wait to see what the next bait-and-switch is gonna be. "Crossroads", maybe? They call it "Crossroads", but the only thing that makes the story feel like "Crossroads" is a casual mention of the word in mid-conversation, in the middle of a scene that 90% of the playerbase is going to insta-skip because of a certain someone.

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It's more than likely a reference to Eden Ultimate specifically. "Crossroads" was the name of the quest in which Minfilia relinquished the remainder of her powers as Oracle of Light to Ryne

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

The 7.x patches are not finished and are not even finalized yet. They are still maleable and can be changed with enough feedback from the community. That's the purpose of giving feedback on these forums. To get the Dev team and Community team's attention to tell them what players want, and they can make changes to reflect that.
That's how live service games work.

We want better writing and don't want any more of Wuk Lamat taking center stage over Krile, Erenville, and our WoLs, and are willing to unsub if it doesn't improve in 7.1. This thread is to convey that. It's not that complicated.

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Theyve mentioned several time during dev talks theyre close to a year in advanced in most development, and more so along with the story. Often the final touches to patch are just localization things. So yeah as much people want to believe they should do a massive Uturn on the story, they really can not. Sure they can write up a new story but implementation is a whole other task. Its why we see changes we ask for so late... it literally takes the years to do it, they only ever prioritize stuff if its breaking the game or they already have a back up planned...

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Originally Posted by Volgia

You guys whine too much about nothing.

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Sry that we don’t like a bad story and writing in the MMORPG that is famous for a amazing story (and a decent chunk plays it for the story, because let’s be real here there isn’t a lot of content at the moment that is engaging)

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Originally Posted by Hanayumi

Theyve mentioned several time during dev talks theyre close to a year in advanced in most development, and more so along with the story. Often the final touches to patch are just localization things. So yeah as much people want to believe they should do a massive Uturn on the story, they really can not. Sure they can write up a new story but implementation is a whole other task. Its why we see changes we ask for so late... it literally takes the years to do it, they only ever prioritize stuff if its breaking the game or they already have a back up planned...

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This is not true, there was a dev talk linked above from earlier in the month where Yoshida mentioned the changes they had made and are making to Wuk from 6.55 and 7.0 feedback.
How is that possible if these patches are locked down a year in advance like you and others are saying? If it's impossible to change anything about the patch quests right now and these are locked down a year in advance, how is it that Yoshida can say they are focusing on making Wuk much more confident and showcasing her strength because of the feedback from 7.0?

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

That's a wholly unfair comparison:

• They got their best staff from across Square Enix to suspend their other projects to frantically adapt their new engine (meant for Single Player games) to work for an MMORPG.
• They had so many staff working on it that they worked on 2.0 while still making patches for 1.0. In a way they kept up this habit by making patches for expansions while working on the next expansion.
• Yoshi-P kept a spreadsheet of how long they took to do tasks that accounted even for bathroom breaks and mathematically optimized it so they could remake the game in just 2 years (it normally took longer to make a good game, especially an MMORPG). This wasn't healthy for his team (most likely why after 10 years he decided to increase the gap between patches).
• They reused a lot of assets and salvaged lore and designs. Let's be honest - this is what made it possible to finish ARR as quickly as they did. Things like the Twelve were designed going back to 2005. Many of the ARR dungeons, textures, models, area concepts, characters and feature inspirations were salvaged from 1.0.

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And congratulation you're missing the point ... again, but that's par for the course for you. Sometime I wonder if you just genuinely miss the point or just deflecting it on purpose.

The point is: if they can remodel the whole house (1.0 to 2.0) in the course of 9-15months, they surely can rewrite a 1h story segment in 4-5 months. Sure, they gonna have to re-recording a few line, rebuilding a few scenes but common, you're making it sounds like to change Wuk Lamat they'll have to redesign the combat, building a new system and creating new dungeons or something. And why are you pretending the staffs management is something I'm supposed to care about, that's Yoshi's problem, not mine.

Frankly, I think some of us are looking at this as a litmus test for the game. To see how serious and commit Yoshi is about "making thing right" ... and so far, it's not looking good. You can make any number of excuse on their behalf you want, all I see is the same "business as usual". My sub already ran out, and I'll keep an eyes on the game till the end of this year. Unless I see some real and honest afford putting into the game by that point, I probably won't come back. And I don't care if there are a laundry list of reasons showing how is that a short table or I'm being unfair ... I just don't care, some of us just tired of waiting. This is not when they can continue business usual, this is when they need to go the extra mile, or miles.

Especially now, unlike 5-6 years ago, these days there are A LOT better options out there for that 15$/month. Even if none of what I had said so far really matter to Yoshi and his team, than at the very least this I think they should be waking up to this fact.