Picto sweeps

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Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis

What is the point of taking smn when rdm have more dps and can rez a whole groupe in a few gcd ?

Smn needs to have a better dps than rdm

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The point of taking SMN over RDM should be "I think SMN is more fun". All jobs are viable and able to clear. Unless you're chasing parses or week 1 clears, your DPS literally doesn't matter.

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Originally Posted by Galvuu

RDM should be well above SMN. SMN is basically a physical ranged job without cast bars, and should have a mobility tax just like a phys ranged job has.
Otherwise you get EW, and RDM is never played.

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I disagree somewhat. I do think RDM should be above smn but not by that much. RDM is only a little harder than smn but not by that much plus it can rez a lot more than smn can. RDM can chain rezs in spots where a lot of ppl die and smn doesn't have that since it needs a swift cast to get one person up fast. This is my main issue with the caster as a role ever since they rework smn. RDM and SMN are way to similar casters IMO. They both have pretty much the same value utilities, both have rezs, and both are fairly easy to play and get a lot of movement. RDM is only little hard since it does have to cast every other spell but let's not pretend its that much of a complex hard job. Before smn was reworked rdm was the easiest job in the game thanks to dualcast. It really haven't change all that much since SB in complexity IMO, smn just was dumb down to the point that its the worst job in the game now. As a smn main I HATE what they did to my fav job in EW and I will never forgive yoshiP and the dev team for what they did with smn.

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Originally Posted by PercibelTheren

The point of taking SMN over RDM should be "I think SMN is more fun". All jobs are viable and able to clear. Unless you're chasing parses or week 1 clears, your DPS literally doesn't matter.

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The point is, if RDM have more dps than SMN, every good group, will never choose SMN over RDM in a prog setting

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Originally Posted by PercibelTheren

The point of taking SMN over RDM should be "I think SMN is more fun". All jobs are viable and able to clear. Unless you're chasing parses or week 1 clears, your DPS literally doesn't matter.

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Have you ever actually met a playerbase before? If Red mage had way more or even just more damage than summoner then people would just take red mage. Prayers will optimize the fun out of a game without question. At this point you just want your job to not be the one screwed.

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Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis

The point is, if RDM have more dps than SMN, every good group, will never choose SMN over RDM in a prog setting

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Every good group would choose a BLM or PCT over both.

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Originally Posted by Ramiee

Every good group would choose a BLM or PCT over both.

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Not for the first 3 turns

For the final turn week 1, yeah

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Originally Posted by Galvuu

I mean, I'm playing Picto and it's just gigabroken.
It's highly flexible, downright insane burst (it literally has tools to push 6 gcds worth of damage into its burst phase), it has strong party-wide mitigation, it has a good party damage steroid...
It's as if someone grabbed Samurai, made it more flexible and then gave it Mug and Mantra and called it a day.
SMN is SMN, it's super easy with a rez so some people will still pick it for prog, BLM can get its potencies adjusted, even if it feels horrible to play... but what the hell is RDM supposed to do now? It has way less damage, it's worse on a 2-min meta and even its support is worse than Picto (weaker barrier, no self-barrier, weaker damage steroid). Yea, it has a rez, but that rez was useless in body-check-walker...
Did they even consider the niches of every job? Does SE hate RDM because it came out in Stormblood and it reminds them that Stormblood was the best expansion? I don't even play RDM and I'm upset but how horrid this balancing issue is. RDM really is the MCH of casters, SE just has this compulsion to make it the worst caster.

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My crazy thought is that RDM could have gotten Vermedica and Vercure III as per Alisaie in DT MSQ to justify the dps tax because ress tax ain't it for the dps balance. That way there's actual reasons to play RDM over the stronger casters. But then it would quickly make healers actually seem like a pile of dung.

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Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis

Not for the first 3 turns

For the final turn week 1, yeah

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It's faster to reset and attempt again then to bring a res mage or summoner to try and recover if your healers are dead. Less of a chance to succeed at enrage too. If I was going for speed progging I ain't taking either considering hitting enrage easier is worth more than failing a mechanic and starting over.

Selfish Jobs should always be top DPS.

Picto is WAY over tuned for having as much utility as it does at the moment, as said countless times already.

BLM should always be the top dog, if Picto does more or even equal dps but brings all this utility why bring a BLM when you can just have two Pictos?

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Originally Posted by Ramiee

It's faster to reset and attempt again then to bring a res mage or summoner to try and recover if your healers are dead. Less of a chance to succeed at enrage too. If I was going for speed progging I ain't taking either considering hitting enrage easier is worth more than failing a mechanic and starting over.

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You never did a hc/semi hc prog

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Originally Posted by Maxilor

Selfish Jobs should always be top DPS.

Picto is WAY over tuned for having as much utility as it does at the moment, as said countless times already.

BLM should always be the top dog, if Picto does more or even equal dps but brings all this utility why bring a BLM when you can just have two Pictos?

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Using two picto is probably bad idea, because the buff overlap each other and other buff is going to be wasted. However, selfish dps jobs does not have that problem. Anyway, it is already confirmed Black mage gonna have potency adjustments before savage open.

Rdm just has too much instant utility.., Smns healing is way too situational (/ time limited.., and the lower SC timer doesn't change much for rezes.its instantly used on Garu
..., noway will / should Rdm have more dpa than a Smn
... and Smn mobility is high, but its dash is often useless (tied to the Ifrit rota) or a hindrance (ffing animation lock..., killed me enough during Ex1..)
... and Smns rota can ff you up, when boss phases are pushed or delayed (killing adds faster), you can end up with Ifrit in an boss phase, you don't want / didn't plan
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Smn has its own issues in high end content, useless healing, weak dps buff, and SC shorter timer didn't change much for rezes.., dont see how Rdm is allowed to do more dps
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same for Picto, noway is Pct allowed to do more dps than Blm..., but truthfully, either Pct will get a nerf (new jobs are almost always too OP at release, to attract excitement & new players) or Blm will get a buff

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Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis

You never did a hc/semi hc prog

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I used to do hc progs back in ARR to Heavensward prior to Red Mage. Obviously the design philosophy was different, enrages were more unforgiving, savage was a mess. During early SB I did semi-HC progging but stopped caring and I'll admit I haven't really done HC progging since. All of my old main jobs feel worse to play so I don't care how long it takes to prog, if the jobs were good I probably would be semi-hc again. Most of my current Savage experience comes from progging with my FC and static and we tend to find it faster to reset and try again instead of bringing a res mage to mass res. We did try mass res style for a while but we found it to not be worth it, especially since no one really wanted to play SMN or RDM either.
Im personally on team remove raises from non-healers or make them have incredibly long CDs so im biased against RDM being Res mage anyway.