Privacy from third party sites

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Originally Posted by Ramiee

My parse monkey phase was back when I was 14, I'm done with that I just care about clearing. I don't even have ACT to see damage meters, so idk what my parses are could be grey or orange idc.
This is purely for people who prioritise having privacy from something they don't consent to because some people still value that.

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«*I just care about clearing*»

Let’s see if week1 p8s agree …

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Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis

Well, if you are applying in my static, we need to know your logs history so we can see how you managed past content (clear time)

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My "past content" would be "half of the time I'm not even trying to play optimised and just want my weekly/daily normal content loot". This doesn't tell you anything about how I would play in a hardcore environment when I am actually focused and prepared. This data is entirely useless for you.
Edit: It is also far from a complete image because I don't parse to begin with and these are just random logs from other people with whom I happened to be in a party. I have played plenty of Panda in the last months and none of these performances is recorded because the raiders who bother parsing and uploading that normal stuff have been on hiatus for weeks. And I bet this is the same for basically every other person who randomly got caught in the third party tool log stuff.

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Originally Posted by aiqa

Since there isn't a good reasons for the data collection, opt-out is also against EU law. GPDR sets requirements for processing personal data. FFlogs and tomestone are most likely to small to ever get into problems with that, but it's still not a great look.

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Your ingame char is not a «*personal data*»

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Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis

«*I just care about clearing*»

Let’s see if week1 p8s agree …

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Do you ever think that people don't particularly care about clearing savage in a week?
One day you'll learn that savage raiding achievements end for most people at the clear. Being a world first clearer or a top parser means nothing to most people, I don't care if we spend a week to clear savage or month. We play the game for fun in my static not to instantly win.
WOWlog culture ruined the game for casual people trying to get into hard content because there's no entry point now, the exact same thing will happen in FF at least wow had the excuse that raiding takes hours, FF raiding takes an hour at most. If people want to parse it should be their choice the same way it's your choice to recruit parsers.

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Originally Posted by aiqa

Well, to give you a recent example. To create a list of people supporting the healer strike, and to show exactly how "casual" those are. In an attempt to shame them into silence.

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Well, it’s a usefull information in the debate ? Yet still, healers are boring in either casual/hard content

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Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis

Your ingame char is not a «*personal data*»

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To preempt a response like that is exactly why I provided the link to the definitions. If you read the definition it explicity includes "online identifier".

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Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis

Well, it’s a usefull information in the debate ? Yet still, healers are boring in either casual/hard content

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Moving goalposts a bit there? First you question why someone would ever look at logs outside of joining a pf/statics. And call everyone that thinks otherwise paranoid. Then there is an example that had nothing to do with joining a pf/static, and is clearly against FF terms of service, and then it's "useful in the debate" (which it isn't).

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Originally Posted by Minali

My "past content" would be "half of the time I'm not even trying to play optimised and just want my weekly/daily normal content loot". This doesn't tell you anything about how I would play in a hardcore environment when I am actually focused and prepared. This data is entirely useless for you.
Edit: It is also far from a complete image because I don't parse to begin with and these are just random logs from other people with whom I happened to be in a party. I have played plenty of Panda in the last months and none of these performances is recorded because the raiders who bother parsing and uploading that normal stuff have been on hiatus for weeks. And I bet this is the same for basically every other person who randomly got caught in the third party tool log stuff.

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Well I will just cancel the apply if you cant prove that you’ve done ultimates/week1 savage clears

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Originally Posted by Ramiee

Do you ever think that people don't particularly care about clearing savage in a week?

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Yeah, in fact there is only a very small minority that do week 1 savage clear

But I dont see your point, im recruiting for a week1 static and so I need to know if you parses are at least 90-95, what’s the matter if only 1% do week 1 savage ?

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Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis

Your ingame char is not a «*personal data*»

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Article 4 GDPR - Defintion:
(1) personal data’ means any information relating to an identified or identifiable natural person (‘data subject’); an identifiable natural person is one who can be identified, directly or indirectly, in particular by reference to an identifier such as a name, an identification number, location data, an online identifier or to one or more factors specific to the physical, physiological, genetic, mental, economic, cultural or social identity of that natural person;

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(source: https://gdpr-info.eu/art-4-gdpr/ )

I'm not a lawyer but "online identifier" sounds about accurate.

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Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis

Well I will just cancel the apply if you cant prove that you’ve done ultimates/week1 savage clears

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Just out of curiosity, is a week1 clear that important when looking for statics?
Asking, since some can clear it but might take a little longer than a week or two.
Depending on personal time to play and / or the groups, probably from Party Finder.

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Originally Posted by Minali

(source: https://gdpr-info.eu/art-4-gdpr/ )

I'm not a lawyer but "online identifier" sounds about accurate.

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Natural person who can be id by an online identifier

Tell me how I id your natural person with in game char :p

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

Just out of curiosity, is a week1 clear that important when looking for statics?
Asking, since some can clear it but might take a little longer than a week or two.
Depending on personal time to play and / or the groups, probably from Party Finder.

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Yeah, it’s more important than having ultimates on-patch for example, I think most week1 static will ask for week 1 - week 2 clear

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Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis

Yeah, it’s more important than having ultimates on-patch for example, I think most week1 static will ask for week 1 - week 2 clear

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That's fine for speed runners but at that point people trying to be on that level would already be parsing and logging themselves. Opting-in to this scene, I don't see why people not interested in this opting-out is such a problem. Some people play the game at their own pace.

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Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis

Yeah, it’s more important than having ultimates on-patch for example, I think most week1 static will ask for week 1 - week 2 clear

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So it's for a static that aims for week1 clears I take it.
Not just 'any static' that might not aim for week1, but simply clears?

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Originally Posted by Ramiee

That's fine for speed runners but at that point people trying to be on that level would already be parsing and logging themselves. Opting-in to this scene, I don't see why people not interested in this opting-out is such a problem. Some people play the game at their own pace.

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Nothing wrong going at your own pace, it’s just that in some case, you will have to prove what you’re capable of

But nothing wrong in not doing extremes/savages/ultimates

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Originally Posted by aiqa

Since there isn't a good reasons for the data collection, opt-out is also against EU law. GPDR sets requirements for processing personal data. FFlogs and tomestone are most likely to small to ever get into problems with that, but it's still not a great look.

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I don't think GDPR applies in this circumstance.

Firstly because it is reference to an identifiable natural person, and whilst I am a person, nothing about my logs, or anything would attach the data to me as a 'natural person'. From Square Enix' perspective this may be true in that they hold information that would directly tie my character/account to identifiable details, but nothing about my logs does this.

Equally in the case as with GDPR it is not strictly about the data itself but how that data is processed as to whether it would violate GDPR.

It isn't that they are too small for anyone to care, because they absolutely would, it's just the fact that it's not really clear cut

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Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis

Nothing wrong going at your own pace, it’s just that in some case, you will have to prove what you’re capable of

But nothing wrong in not doing extremes/savages/ultimates

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So yeah we agree this is something we should opt-in to if you're trying to play in the parsing/speedrunning scene but its okay to not be part of if you are just playing the game at your own pace. Because thats all im saying.

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

So it's for a static that aims for week1 clears I take it.
Not just 'any static' that might not aim for week1, but simply clears?

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Week 1 clears are typically reserved for hardcore statics (i.e. those that hit the tier daily for hours on end until it's finished so it's very time demanding). The lead will typically want to see proof that you can parse extremely high, what you've cleared (typically last expac's savage + the newest ultimate to show you're up to date and are reliable to clear with) and probably go through some form of tryouts. The point for them is to clear as quick as possible so people who make lots of mistakes/can't learn quickly should avoid it.

The majority of statics though outside of hardcore level won't care about your logs as they just want to clear ultimately and aren't too bothered about how long it takes. They most likely won't be as efficient as a hardcore static but it's either clearing with that or going into PF on your own to clear in order to get your foot in the door with Week 1 people.

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Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis

Natural person who can be id by an online identifier

Tell me how I id your natural person with in game char :p

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We have only one day until maintenance for a new expansion and I have the feeling you are one of the people just looking for more material for cherry picking and crapping on others anyway. I have better things to do with my time today, like learning BLU spells or doing a hunt train. :) You have plenty of urls to look it up, aside from, idk, google or duckduckgo, if you would really want to know, you can figure it out.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

I don't think GDPR applies in this circumstance.

Firstly because it is reference to an identifiable natural person, and whilst I am a person, nothing about my logs, or anything would attach the data to me as a 'natural person'. From Square Enix' perspective this may be true in that they hold information that would directly tie my character/account to identifiable details, but nothing about my logs does this.

Equally in the case as with GDPR it is not strictly about the data itself but how that data is processed as to whether it would violate GDPR.

It isn't that they are too small for anyone to care, because they absolutely would, it's just the fact that it's not really clear cut

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There is no requirement for a direct reference to individual humans. It only has to relate to a human, which basically means that it wouldn't apply to bots playing FF, or data from a legal person (company). It explicitly includes data collected about online identifiers (so for FF that means usernames) as "personal data".

And I doubt these websites would look much better if you look into the type of data processing they do. They rank everything, make it publicly available, and store for years. I haven't looked into if that is exluded from the GPDR, but I very much doubt it.

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Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis

Natural person who can be id by an online identifier

Tell me how I id your natural person with in game char :p

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Just off the top of my head:

- If your username on the forum matches any other usernames you have online, you can easily find someone's social media or other personal links via Google.
- If someone uses their character name on any other roleplaying websites that have links to social media, you can find their personal information easily.

Speaking as someone who had someone go out of their way to stalk me that way.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Week 1 clears are typically reserved for hardcore statics (i.e. those that hit the tier daily for hours on end until it's finished so it's very time demanding). The lead will typically want to see proof that you can parse extremely high, what you've cleared (typically last expac's savage + the newest ultimate to show you're up to date and are reliable to clear with) and probably go through some form of tryouts. The point for them is to clear as quick as possible so people who make lots of mistakes/can't learn quickly should avoid it.

The majority of statics though outside of hardcore level won't care about your logs as they just want to clear ultimately and aren't too bothered about how long it takes. They most likely won't be as efficient as a hardcore static but it's either clearing with that or going into PF on your own to clear in order to get your foot in the door with Week 1 people.

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Mm.. I simply asked since when I did sP1-5 I did the first 3 through PF, no biggie, and the Static I joined after was from FC members and weren't really hardcore so thought it'd be interesting to see what the "norm" for joining statics with complete strangers might look like.

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

Mm.. I simply asked since when I did sP1-5 I did the first 3 through PF, no biggie, and the Static I joined after was from FC members and weren't really hardcore so thought it'd be interesting to see what the "norm" for joining statics with complete strangers might look like.

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Oh yeah the standard is just:
- Look on Party Finder for anyone recruiting for a class you'd be open to playing/ put up your own ad
- Reach out to person/respond to person
- Go through tryouts (lead might not care about this, depends)
- Join Discord
- Attend raid nights
- Profit

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Originally Posted by Minali

We have only one day until maintenance for a new expansion and I have the feeling you are one of the people just looking for more material for cherry picking and crapping on others anyway. I have better things to do with my time today, like learning BLU spells or doing a hunt train. :) You have plenty of urls to look it up, aside from, idk, google or duckduckgo, if you would really want to know, you can figure it out.

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Sure, have fun

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Just off the top of my head:

- If your username on the forum matches any other usernames you have online, you can easily find someone's social media or other personal links via Google.
- If someone uses their character name on any other roleplaying websites that have links to social media, you can find their personal information easily.

Speaking as someone who had someone go out of their way to stalk me that way.

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In that case you need to delete FF14 ?

You char name on FF14 is the same name on fflog

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Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis

In that case you need to delete FF14 ?

You char name on FF14 is the same name on fflog

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Or dont be psychos? Not that hard. But people like you are why we are going to be able to hide our lodestones so we dont get stalked.

I think this always should have been opt-in. Don't parses violate the TOS to begin with in general? Why are all our characters funneled into such websites?

Now, behind the scenes, as someone who was an officer in a very high-end raid guild in the past, I can understand the use of such tools. It saves a lot of time having some info about applicants. A bad addition to a raid team can be disruptive and it can also cause a lot of drama trying to eventually remove them. Showing your credentials to be part of an exclusive team, IMO, is fine. If I wanted to raid I'd open my logs back up for any applications.

But for most of us with no interest in raids, recent events showed us that this info is just used to harass others in scenerios where the data is not even relevant.

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Originally Posted by Ramiee

Hey I thought I would let people know that to have your data hidden on FFlogs and tomestone.gg you can go into your profile on the lodestone and put in the description of your profile:

fflogs-hidden
tomestone-hidden

Next time you are refreshed on your profile on these websites your information will be hidden. Thought I would let people know.
I don't hate these websites existing, I do however hate that they are not opt-in, If people want to parse thats fine but I value privacy and prefer to keep that between me and my static.

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It's perhaps worth noting that a lot of the information shown on tomestone.gg is available from your Lodestone profile and public achievements.

(Things I learn: The Lodestone's display for an achievement shows only a date, but the underlying code for the page contains a precise timestamp.)

It looks to me like only the "Activity" tab actually makes use of logs/parses.

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Originally Posted by Nyxs

Or dont be psychos? Not that hard. But people like you are why we are going to be able to hide our lodestones so we dont get stalked.

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If you dont apply to my static I will not check your logs, your paranoid

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Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis

If you dont apply to my static I will not check your logs, your paranoid

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Just because you wouldn't doesn't mean other's wouldn't. We just had a situation in the Healer strike thread where someone made a spreadsheet of all the posters in that thread using those websites and then posted it on twitter and reddit.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

Just because you wouldn't doesn't mean other's wouldn't. We just had a situation in the Healer strike thread where someone made a spreadsheet of all the posters in that thread using those websites and then posted it on twitter and reddit.

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Yeah I agree

But that’s not my point, my point is that in some case, logs are very usefull

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Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis

Yeah I agree

But that’s not my point, my point is that in some case, logs are very usefull

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That's cheater logic. "This feature that grants me access to data I'm not supposed to know or have, lets me do things in the game I wouldn't do if I didn't know about it."

Fact is, anyone using third party tools to "optimize their DPS" is by definition, cheating.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

That's cheater logic. "This feature that grants me access to data I'm not supposed to know or have, lets me do things in the game I wouldn't do if I didn't know about it."

Fact is, anyone using third party tools to "optimize their DPS" is by definition, cheating.

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Im playing on console

I respect your opinion, mine is «*if you have dps checks in your game, you should be able to know dps related things*»

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Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis

Natural person who can be id by an online identifier

Tell me how I id your natural person with in game char :p

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I couldn't do it. Maybe you couldn't do it. But I can pretty well guarantee someone out there is enterprising enough to get all the dots connected for quite a lot of players, though not all of them.

ETA: Whether that's what it means in the law, don't have a clue, just that it's pretty incredible what some people can do with a little information and the Internet.

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Originally Posted by Ramiee

Hey I thought I would let people know that to have your data hidden on FFlogs and tomestone.gg you can go into your profile on the lodestone and put in the description of your profile:

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tomestone-hidden

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I'm largely unfamiliar with the Lodestone. I logged in to try this functionality out for my own character profile, but I don't see any part of it called "Description". Is it named something else, or am I simply looking in the wrong place? Thanks for any help! ^^

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Originally Posted by LilimoLimomo

I'm largely unfamiliar with the Lodestone. I logged in to try this functionality out for my own character profile, but I don't see any part of it called "Description". Is it named something else, or am I simply looking in the wrong place?

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1. Visit https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/my/.
2. There's a section called "Character Profile" near the top. Click the ">".
3. On that page, scroll down to "Character Profile". Click the pencil icon on the right to edit it.

Y'all are way too afraid of a number on a website. All parses do is show how well you are hitting buttons (The right buttons, at yhe right time, in the right order, without gaps).

Can't shake the feeling a lotta folks genuinely aren't as good as they think they are at a trivial timewaster (a game) and get real bent out of shape when people who are don't want to associate with 'em. Hurt pride is a helluva drug.

Also to the lass calling all raiders rude/toxic/etc... Sorry but I disagree. Near every serious raider I've met has been pleasant and understanding. You have to be, because if you start friction in content that takes 40+ hour to clear with the same group (pool, in the case of PF) you will quickly finds yourself booted from groups, blacklisted, or removed from raids.

Anyway, see some of you in Arcadion!

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Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis

Im playing on console

I respect your opinion, mine is «*if you have dps checks in your game, you should be able to know dps related things*»

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You know people on here saying cheating is ok is a lot like people review bombing Shadow of the Erdtree, same energy.

Just git gud.

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Originally Posted by AmiableApkallu

1. Visit https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/my/.
2. There's a section called "Character Profile" near the top. Click the ">".
3. On that page, scroll down to "Character Profile". Click the pencil icon on the right to edit it.

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Thank you!

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Originally Posted by Azureskies01

You know people on here saying cheating is ok is a lot like people review bombing Shadow of the Erdtree, same energy.

Just git gud.

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Cheating generally involves modifying inputs.

Checking your logs (which is all parsing really does. It's actually completely possible to do it by hand! Output the contents of your battle log to a file and review it line by line and timestamp by timestamp.) Is no more cheating than making an excel sheet to calculate your finances irl.

Running a parsing program is technically against ToS, but having or checking a parse made by another is not in any way problematic.