Krile and Pictomancer

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Magnai takes up the brush, looking for a new path to find his Nhaama.

Sadu dies laughing.

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Well, given that Yshtola delivered nearly fatal emotional damage to him with just 1 sentence. I could happen.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

However, we all know that only a Lalafell would take on this job

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Sure. I never said the job is Lala specific.

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It might not be what you meant, but it is what you said.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Let me see if I can be a little more specific. Moogles are staple to the FF franchise, and tribe likes the Namazu and Loporitts while cute, fit into the lore of their respective areas. Right there, I just described how these specific tribes fit into the world of FFXIV. They are their own entities that don't rely on arguments based on the existence of other cutesy things in FFXIV to justify their place. So again I ask you, how does Pictomancer fit in? Especially in regards to their battle effects.

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But your argument is that pictomancer doesn't fit into the world because it doesn't match other things in the setting – which is incorrect, because there are other cute things already there. The initial justification for the first cute thing is irrelevant when the question is whether the tenth cute thing matches the rest.

Also, as much as the other jobs you listed were being requested, people were asking for pictomancer as well. I haven't gotten that far into FFVI to see the original version of it, but was fully aware of the concept because people were talking about it as a possibility.

Necromancer has been fulfilled as reaper; chemist has apparently been tried and abandoned multiple times; green mage never sounded like a compelling argument for this game and we have too many "colour mages" already. Geomancer was the only one with some potential still, and may yet come in the future, but might not translate well.

And I don't think Krile is just being forced into this as a Lalafell. She's a major cast member who is due some development and showcasing, which in FFXIV tends to go hand-in-hand with taking up a new job to be shown off. And as I said, I don't think she's as serious as you think; she's just been in serious circumstances thus far, and we still have glimpses of a more playful side to her. Her personality is not so fully explored or set in stone that we have to cry "out of character" rather than "okay, this is a side of her we haven't seen much before". By making this a canon thing, it gives her that aspect now whether she had it before or not, and it's not actually at odds with what we've seen before.

Plus it's not just some cutesy job she made up, it's a real Sharlayan discipline invented by an Archon, and if she feels like that fits her skill set, then it does.

Krile is just... Krile, a forgetable character. You would remove her from the plot and you wouldn't even notice.

I agree, Krile has always been more solemn and reserved in XIV. SCH would actually be a perfect fit for her as FFV Krile can talk and communicate with animals, so there would allusions to it with the fairies.

I've always wanted to see more Krile in MSQ, especially since Stormblood, but not when it demeans her character like this does.

I thought she acted too much like a child in the trailer when she's supposed to be older than Alphinaud and Alisaie.

here we go again, another sindriis thread

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Originally Posted by hynaku

I don't see why they couldn't have made Yugiri the Pictomancer. I know have watched animes where ninjas used drawings for attacks.

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Cause Yugiri isn't relevant anymore? And has the personality of a wet paper cloth? Not really pictomancer material.

"Yo, Yugiri, what did you draw?"

"Nothing, because I am boring."

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Originally Posted by Tint

Aren't artists usually silent and depressed? Sitting alone at home, being shy and express themself through their art instead of an outgoing personality?

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having worked with other artists, studied in art school and frequently attended artist alleys to both sell work and mingle with fellow artists, no. this is really just not accurate. most artists are very overworked, stressed but allways bubbly and happy to meet new ppl. we love it when people like the same games/anime/characters or even artists that we do, and can easily talk for hours to one person about it at a stall or online. this idea were all just depressed silant types is so wierd since art is literally a therapy we use to express ourselves and keep our spirits high, a place we channel love and passion, devotion and sometimes obsession. ive allways felt like those kinda of people are just inherintly like that, like a path in life they choose to go down, not one thats deeply intermingled with art. my art for example is vibrant, bright expressive and striking. i paint flowers and nature mostly, when im not drawing manga-style art. i really feel like its not common you meet a broody dark artist

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Originally Posted by RinaB

Would've preferred an unknown new character for picto. I'm actually expecting the msq to be another scion slog for DT when there's no reason for it. I don't care about all the conversations about the voice actor for wuk'lamat....the character is just bad....so that also lowers my expectations....let's hope at least eng game is good and they don't ruin classes too much.

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I don't think the character is all that bad, just pretty standard right now. I very easily seeing her being the false bravado type that learns real bravery and strength through the power of friendship. This comes with the standard "lol" moments we saw of being frightened by standard mobs.

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Originally Posted by Rekh

Who's to say what fits who? You don't need to be a specific personality type yo be an artist. I do feel they'll need to give her more background on this though.

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I wouldn't mind a background to that either, you wouldn't hear an objection from me to have the Pictomancer quests to delve into that. If Alphi weren't a Sage, he'd be perfect for this job but I think giving Krile a chance to develop and show a part of her interests isn't such a terrible thing.

I do find that stereotyping us artists though as having a set personality type strange. I know plenty of artists who are quiet and pensive people but there are many I also know who are extremely adventurous and outgoing. It's almost as if they are like people too and vary just like them!

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Didn't seem any more forced than any other character's job changes over previous expansions to me. Like Thancred going from a stealth recon expert to a tank because....we needed a tank for Trusts and that's about it.

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Thancred becoming a GNB was a gigachad move. He's done playing now he wants to protecc (fits ShB theme with Rhyne). And he couldnt use magic anymore so he fought with aether infused bullets. It makes so much sense and not forced at all because the lore setup began in ARR.

Yes, it made perfect sense for him to pick up a job he can't use properly without help because he can't charge his own ammo.

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Originally Posted by Lieri

Thancred becoming a GNB was a gigachad move. He's done playing now he wants to protecc (fits ShB theme with Rhyne).

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He took up the skill before he went to the First though – his tutor is a Bozjan Hrothgar and IIRC it's said or implied that they met while Thancred was doing reconnaissance in Ilsabard.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

The job itself is forced. Let alone Krile being shoehorned into it. However, we all know that only a Lalafell would take on this job and Krile is the only who fits the bill. It can't be Tataru as she is all about commerce and handles financial affairs for the Scions. Iirc, I believe she had tried her hand at combat and failed miserably. Prompting her to become an artisan, which lead her into the business trade. In any case, she's out of the running.

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I get the impression you haven't played the sidequest 'Wayward Carbuncle'....

I personally am disappointed the new job wasn't Blitzballer and they didn't make our Krille into a dodgeball master.

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Originally Posted by Volgia

I personally am disappointed the new job wasn't Blitzballer and they didn't make our Krille into a dodgeball master.

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And I am disappointed your sentence didn't end after "dodgeball".

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Originally Posted by Tint

And I am disappointed your sentence didn't end after "dodgeball".

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Damn, you're gonna make me cry so hard I might unsub... that was the better joke.

Krile tutored Alphinaud, right? Feels like she should've been the Sage in EW. Meanwhile, it's established that Alphinaud is a great artist. So he could've been a pictomancer.
Hell, just make Alphinaud the job representative 2 expansions in a row. I don't think anyone would've minded. The only thing that fits about this for krile imo is the job's color scheme, which seems full of bright primary colors just like Krile's outfit.

Feels less forced than this being an issue.

I think its completely fine, she wants to contribute in her own unique way, seems like she will get a chance to do just that.

Don't get the why this should be a big deal, it's not like she had to stop being a serious character now that she is a Pictomancer.

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Originally Posted by Dakimakura

I think its completely fine, she wants to contribute in her own unique way, seems like she will get a chance to do just that.

Don't get the why this should be a big deal, it's not like she had to stop being a serious character now that she is a Pictomancer.

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so much this. the idea that artists have to be bubbly and vapid or something? what... does that even mean...

We already have healer NPCs in our little group of companions, tatru already proven she's a failure at combat but better at running a business or weaving threads. If any of the scions were to be pictomancer, it would have to be Alphinaud, but he's super annoying and get away too much screen time as it is. I'm all for bringing krile onboard in any way , as she hasn't been doing a whole lot of combat stuff. I generally don't like the idea of pictomancer , considering how low quality and childish the aesthetic looks, like it's straight out of genshin or something. At the end of the day I'm fine with whatever, just let it be and see what happens before we go complaining about stuff when we haven't even seen what happens in DT yer

I think they just wanted to involve Krile in the story more, and she needed a combat job. Viper was clearly not it, so they went with Pictomancer. It's not the worst choice for her, I suppose. I could see her having an artistic hobby in her spare time, and perhaps the brightness and whimsy of the job aesthetics is a change of pace from her dry scholarly work. She's not without her sense of fun. She teases Alphinaud, and I mean... she's been wearing that adorable cat-ear hood the entire game. Clearly she doesn't take her self-image excessively seriously.

It's kind of funny that we already had an artist character with Alphinaud, but I think Pictomancer would have had a radically different style if they went with him. It's too bad we didn't get some kind of scene to set up Krile as a painter, maybe even comparing how her art style is so different from Alphinaud's or something. At least have it in her background somewhere.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Didn't seem any more forced than any other character's job changes over previous expansions to me. Like Thancred going from a stealth recon expert to a tank because....we needed a tank for Trusts and that's about it.

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And yet they still give Thancred the stealth missions! Thancred will always be the "stealth recon" rogue dude to me.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

He actually started off there as a gladiator before changing to rogue when ninja came out in patch 2.4

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I feel like that's only because Rogue wasn't in the game at launch and gladiator was the closest "one-handed blade" job they had. Thancred absolutely would have been a Rogue from the start, if it existed at the time. And it's not even a case of "we need a character to represent the new job," because they already had Yugiri for that. They were waiting for the day they could shift Thancred over to where he belonged.

During the cut scenes where Leviathan is summoned and the Scions are fighting off waves of sahagin and Serpent Reavers, Thancred makes a comment about how he has to stop holding back while he picks up a second knife and switches from gladiator to rogue/ninja fighting stances. And the totally-not-Rogues' Guild members (looking back, it's pretty clear that they're stand-ins for Jacke and V'kebbe, but are very noticeably not them, for whatever reason) that you later introduce to Yugiri comment on knowing him from back in the day. So the clear intent is that Thancred was always supposed to be a rogue, it just didn't exist as a separate job yet.

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

Would you ppl have preferred a big sourfaced Male Au Ra or Roe in a magical girl outfit brandishing a paintbrush as our new Pictomancer MSQ NPC?

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hey.. i dont call you out https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHEPhJKX...g&name=240x240

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

something about her personality.. its just not really the "artsy" kinda type, it lacks the lighhearted bubblyness that youde think would be needed to take up pictomancy.

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This is potentially one of the strangest arguments I've seen on this forum.

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Originally Posted by Merrigan

This is potentially one of the strangest arguments I've seen on this forum.

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So are you going to counter it....or?

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

So are you going to counter it....or?

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I don't know if there's really any need... "Artists" don't have pre-written personalities, that's all.

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Originally Posted by Merrigan

I don't know if there's really any need... "Artists" don't have pre-written personalities, that's all.

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I’m an artist. I’m about as far from “light-hearted bubbliness” as you can get! lol Sometimes my artwork can venture into the whimsical realm, but you wouldn’t know it from looking at me. And I’d say for a lot of artists, even if you know them personally, you might be surprised by what some of their art looks like. You don’t need a certain personality to be an artist. Krile will be perfect for the role imo.

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Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra

I’m an artist. I’m about as far from “light-hearted bubbliness” as you can get! lol Sometimes my artwork can venture into the whimsical realm, but you wouldn’t know it from looking at me. And I’d say for a lot of artists, even if you know them personally, you might be surprised by what some of their art looks like. You don’t need a certain personality to be an artist. Krile will be perfect for the role imo.

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it feels incredibly forced. a character with no artistic interest is now suddenly not only one, but taking on this wierd playful fake personality. it just feels convient.

Krile was first introduced as playful. She only became a worried-mother personality during shadowbringers. But if we really go back to havensward she was clearly partly playful and partly caring. Most people are multi-dimensional, clearly that's how they designed Krile.

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Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra

I’m an artist. I’m about as far from “light-hearted bubbliness” as you can get! lol Sometimes my artwork can venture into the whimsical realm, but you wouldn’t know it from looking at me. And I’d say for a lot of artists, even if you know them personally, you might be surprised by what some of their art looks like. You don’t need a certain personality to be an artist. Krile will be perfect for the role imo.

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I'm an illustrator in my spare time, so I don't know if I can call myself an 'artist'. But I've been around them, and they're as diverse as anyone else. Hence my lack of understanding of this argument.