Rhalgrs Reach should never have existed

I agree that I felt this way about it at the time. That Rhalgr's Reach was an odd choice. But it is petty to nitpick such little decisions.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Rhalgrs Reach isn't even interesting other than its Monk lore, which it isn't even used for anymore.

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I assume you didn't finish the Monk quests.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

I know Rhalgr's Reach makes sense being the hub due to the story reasons, but I have to agree that the hub itself is quite lackluster compared to Idllyshire, for example. At least the primary city (marketboard) is Kugane.

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Lackluster compared to Idyllshire? There's a giant statue of Rhalgr, a jumping puzzle and a nice little dip of water. It looks very comfy compared to smelly, boring looking, rustic, industrial ass gobbie town with probably the most annoying town music in the game.



Ok calling out the gobbies is uncalled for me. I love those fellas but still I'm so sick and tired of Idyllshire. It just feels so ugh and bland compared to future hubs, personally.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

UGH I hate comments like this. So disrespectful. I put in the time and effort to make a point, and you come at with that attitude. Lame.

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If you're putting your opinion on the internet, there's always going to be someone who will oppose whatever you write. Especially when it's just complaining about a zone from 6 years ago.

If you don't want "disrespectful" comments, them just don't make a thread. That simple. Either that or just ignore them.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

UGH I hate comments like this. So disrespectful. I put in the time and effort to make a point, and you come at with that attitude. Lame.

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Ignore Stormpeaks. They get off on bringing people down.

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Originally Posted by yoshinoharu

That... goes for literally every hub. Nobody went to Mor Dhona once HW came out. Nobody went to Idyllshire when Stormblood came out. It's just kind of the way that MMOs work?

What I'm more upset about is that for 2 expansions now we haven't had a hub area where we can use mounts.

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In comparison to other hubs, Rhalgrs Reach is the worst and most pointless.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

If you're putting your opinion on the internet, there's always going to be someone who will oppose whatever you write. Especially when it's just complaining about a zone from 6 years ago.

If you don't want "disrespectful" comments, them just don't make a thread. That simple. Either that or just ignore them.

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So we have to put up with bullying, and just allow it to exist because people make threads. Nice logic there.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

So we have to put up with bullying, and just allow it to exist because people make threads. Nice logic there.

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If you consider someone dismissing your opinion as bullying, that's a you issue. Not everyone will care about the same things.
Just as you're free to make a thread, others are allowed to say their opinion of it.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

If you consider someone dismissing your opinion as bullying, that's a you issue. Not everyone will care about the same things.
Just as you're free to make a thread, others are allowed to say their opinion of it.

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Replying with a gif that is sarcastic and rude isn't disagreeing with my opinion. It's bullying, and its not proper forum behavior.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

So we have to put up with bullying, and just allow it to exist because people make threads. Nice logic there.

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What can you actually do about it, though? You could report it, but the mods are notoriously haphazard about actually doing anything. Replying just feeds the need for attention. The best you can do is ignore them; they won't go away, but at least it spares you the bother of replying (especially on a forum with limited daily posts).

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Replying with a gif that is sarcastic and rude isn\\'t disagreeing with my opinion. It\\'s bullying, and its not proper forum behavior.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

https://media2.giphy.com/media/lopvP...=200w.gif&ct=g

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See how it can be used to dismiss?

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

What can you actually do about it, though? You could report it, but the mods are notoriously haphazard about actually doing anything. Replying just feeds the need for attention. The best you can do is ignore them; they won't go away, but at least it spares you the bother of replying (especially on a forum with limited daily posts).

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This is spot on. Just report instead of making a scene. Will be better for everyone involved.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

Rhalgrs Reach is like universally everyone's favorite hub because you could show off your mount in town.

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That's what's missing since ShB and I know I've complained to friends about it at least once.

Would be nice if the next hub had an outdoor section where we can use mounts. Apply the "Hoofing It" debuff indoors and around the market boards and retainer bells so people aren't blocking things just to be jerks.

The Crystarium would've been perfect for that. There's plenty of outdoor space.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Would be nice if the next hub had an outdoor section where we can use mounts. Apply the "Hoofing It" debuff indoors and around the market boards and retainer bells so people aren't blocking things just to be jerks.

The Crystarium would've been perfect for that. There's plenty of outdoor space.

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Approved.
And add a debuff area for the mandatory jump puzzle as well.

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

You could do that in Idyllshire too

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Mor Dhona in 10 words

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Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho

Ignore Stormpeaks. They get off on bringing people down.

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https://media0.giphy.com/media/3oEdv...=200w.gif&ct=g

Me posting a gif saying "okay" is bringing people down ? If every time I'd get a gif saying "okay" I'd have to feel down, I would feel down a lot.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

So we have to put up with bullying, and just allow it to exist because people make threads. Nice logic there.

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New to the internet ? Posting a gif is not bullying, especially when said gif just says "okay"

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Originally Posted by Poporito_Popoto

Do you need to speak with a manager?

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It's hilarious how people will complain about devs not reading the forums or taking any of the suggestions seriously. I've joined recently and the conduct and etiquette on these forums is in a sad state.

You all wonder why JP forums get more attention than we do. Maybe take a look at the JP forum and see how much more well-behaved they are and have some shame.

We're all here to have respectful conversation, yet these forums are a childish playground filed with namecalling and sarcasm. Maybe set an example if you'd like to be heard by devs?

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Originally Posted by Iselion

You all wonder why JP forums get more attention than we do.

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I don't think ANYONE is wondering why the Japanese players get more attention from the devs..

Rhalgr's Reach is just about the last thing on my mind when I think about Stormblood's problems.

The far greater issue in my opinion is that the expansion thinks it has a story to tell, but it does not. It will force you to follow around an angsty, privileged, naive kid who never learns any lessons and eventually gets everything she wants without needing to grow. Unrelated, the story will present you with the overarching problem that needs to be solved, and then it will entirely forget about that problem and you'll magically solve it without rhyme or reason. The expansion has opinions on being oppressed that are politely summarized as "unfortunate".

Stormblood is the expansion where I don't bat an eye when someone buys a paid skip.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

Have you ever joined in a basic human conversation before?

Do me a favour, go and join in a discussion and respond like that, and see how far it gets you.

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Not to sound petty, but you were defending these people just last week when they were doing almost the same thing then.

You've done this to yourself. It's clearly perfectly fine when these people act out in this way when they share your viewpoints in a thread, but you eventually have to realize if this continues there will come a time when the entire forum will devolve into an embarrassing mess of immaturity with everyone acting out this way. If you think it's bad now then wait until everyone is doing it and there is no longer any discussion to be had.

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

I don't think ANYONE is wondering why the Japanese players get more attention from the devs..

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I mean it doesn't exactly make the behavior right.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

Not to sound petty, but you were defending these people just last week when they were doing almost the same thing then.

You've done this to yourself. It's clearly perfectly fine when these people act out in this way when they share your viewpoints in a thread, but you eventually have to realize if this continues there will come a time when the entire forum will devolve into an embarrassing mess of immaturity with everyone acting out this way. If you think it's bad now then wait until everyone is doing it and there is no longer any discussion to be had.

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So, most of the last several months?

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

Rhalgrs Reach is like universally everyone's favorite hub because you could show off your mount in town.

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In what world was Rhalgr's Reach "everyone's favorite hub"? It was a mostly bland hub, without much of a center gathering point that people would pass on their way from the aetheryte to the retainer bell/tomestone vendors/scrips vendors.
Idyllshire did this way better, especially with how the hub was expanded on with the major patch updates. The stairs/rock being a center gathering point where players often showed off their mounts, after they enabled the use of mounts in 3.1.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

So, most of the last several months?

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I would say that it hasn't been as bad as it has been this last week. Besides that, I'm not going to count people's reactions to Titanmen's bait. Obviously people should just not engage in that situation but that's whatever.

I don't think we've reached the worst of the situation either, just that it's become obnoxious enough that it's hard to ignore.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

I mean it doesn't exactly make the behavior right.

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No one say's it's right either. We can pretend it's for 'good' reasons, but let's be honest here, we all know the real reason, and it's not a good one, but it's not surprising either.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

In what world was Rhalgr's Reach "everyone's favorite hub"? It was a mostly bland hub, without much of a center gathering point that people would pass on their way from the aetheryte to the retainer bell/tomestone vendors/scrips vendors.
Idyllshire did this way better, especially with how the hub was expanded on with the major patch updates. The stairs/rock being a center gathering point where players often showed off their mounts, after they enabled the use of mounts in 3.1.

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Idyllshire is trash. Only reason its still populated is because they decided to dump WT and Faux Pas or whatever so there's always people hanging around. Wish they spread standard content features across each hub zone so that those areas doesnt feel as barren. Rhalgr's Reach doesnt have much going besides the Custom Delivery and thats sad. Its a cool looking area.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

Not to sound petty, but you were defending these people just last week when they were doing almost the same thing then.

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You're being extremely petty.

What's been said previously is completely irrelevant. I do not rescind past opinion purely because I disagree with something someone may say or do in the present. Similarly, I don't automatically agree with people I may have shared an opinion with before if I find what they're currently saying questionable - or in this instance, childish and hypocritical - because we're not in a school playground, even if that's something not everyone remembers right now.

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Originally Posted by LilimoLimomo

Rhalgr's Reach is just about the last thing on my mind when I think about Stormblood's problems.

The far greater issue in my opinion is that the expansion thinks it has a story to tell, but it does not. It will force you to follow around an angsty, privileged, naive kid who never learns any lessons and eventually gets everything she wants without needing to grow.

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If you mean Lyse, of the many, many criticisms I've heard about her, this has to be the first time "angsty" is one of them, lol.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Idyllshire is trash. Only reason its still populated is because they decided to dump WT and Faux Pas or whatever so there's always people hanging around. Wish they spread standard content features across each hub zone so that those areas doesnt feel as barren. Rhalgr's Reach doesnt have much going besides the Custom Delivery and thats sad. Its a cool looking area.

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I think you've entirely missed the point here. No one's talking about how populated these hubs are right now. This is about the design of each of the two hubs when their respective expansions were current content. What Rhalgr's Reach had going on during Stormblood was way too spread out, with not much of a center point that players would regularly pass. Compared to Idyllshire during Heavensward, where players would often end up running past the stairs in the center.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

I think you've entirely missed the point here. No one's talking about how populated these hubs are right now. This is about the design of each of the two hubs when their respective expansions were current content. What Rhalgr's Reach had going on during Stormblood was way too spread out, with not much of a center point that players would regularly pass. Compared to Idyllshire during Heavensward, where players would often end up running past the stairs in the center.

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Honestly, The Capital or any other small town likely would of faced the same issues.

People still lived there unlike most other places.

For the story at least with flavor it was a field camp that had alot to benefit an adventurer.

It would take sometime to convert a Capital/Small Towns and take stock to turn that around for anything that isn't garlean or folk that lived there.

Idyllshire was literally built for Explorers / Outcasts / Business-Enterprise / Adventurers after the remains were shaped up by the residents.(Not unlike Mor Dhonas Origins)

Wasn't til after SB, where we got really into the Seats of Powers with connections and friends.
Known for our actions in war, aid, and the Pixel Exarch.

Where we finally able to partake of the boons of weight friendly nations had to offer us.
Hence Crystarium/Eulmore, Thavnair/Old Sharlayan.

(Whilst Before that, Kugane was just a High-rise to spend the night at. Ishgard was being kept safe, while starting anew in a land with no rapport.)

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

I think you've entirely missed the point here. No one's talking about how populated these hubs are right now. This is about the design of each of the two hubs when their respective expansions were current content. What Rhalgr's Reach had going on during Stormblood was way too spread out, with not much of a center point that players would regularly pass. Compared to Idyllshire during Heavensward, where players would often end up running past the stairs in the center.

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Yeah because Idyllshire lacks aethernets and they placed the aetheryte into the center (which was smart). That along with having pseudo endgame activity features like WT and Faux Pas along with 2 Custom Delivery NPCs and parts of Relic chains, Idyllshire has a lot going for it compared to Rhalgr's Reach.

My problem though its how ugly and compact it is; alongside its music. I much prefer Rhalgr's Reach for its beauty but the fact that they didnt bother keeping relevant features like in Idyllshire its why theres a lack of players.

TBH I only ever visited Rhalgr's Reach when I specifically needed to for a quest or to use the tomestone/token vendors. I spent most of my non adventuring time during Stormblood in my house in Shirogane or in Kugane itself.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Yeah because Idyllshire lacks aethernets and they placed the aetheryte into the center (which was smart). That along with having pseudo endgame activity features like WT and Faux Pas along with 2 Custom Delivery NPCs and parts of Relic chains, Idyllshire has a lot going for it compared to Rhalgr's Reach.

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Most of these weren't added until much later into the expansion, like WT (patch 3.4), and the first Custom Deliveries NPC (patch 3.55a). The 2nd NPC, along with Faux Hollows were added in a later expansion. Meaning the features that Idyllshire had going for it were a lot more comparable to the ones Rhalgr's Reach had, for the majority of the expansion.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

My problem though its how ugly and compact it is; alongside its music. I much prefer Rhalgr's Reach for its beauty but the fact that they didnt bother keeping relevant features like in Idyllshire its why theres a lack of players.

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I'm guessing you simply see beauty in temples that were left to ruin? Because that's what Rhalgr's Reach is. There's rubble all over the place, barely any proper paths, half-broken pillars, and tents everywhere. This all makes sense for a Resistance base, during the initial 4.0 Stormblood MSQ, when the Garlean Empire was very much in control of the region. After Ala Mhigo's liberation? The Ala Mhigans would have no reason not to start restoring the place. Even a small outpost in The Lochs (The Saltery) saw more restoration than Rhalgr's Reach. To put things into perspective, the 3.0 version of Idyllshire (before all the patches that improved it) would be comparable to how Rhalgr's Reach is today.

I'm sure Rhalgr's Reach could be a beautiful place had it received the same treatment (along with a more central aetheryte), I just find beauty to be hard to find in its current state. But at the end of the day, I guess it's how the saying goes, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder".

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Yeah because Idyllshire lacks aethernets and they placed the aetheryte into the center (which was smart). That along with having pseudo endgame activity features like WT and Faux Pas along with 2 Custom Delivery NPCs and parts of Relic chains, Idyllshire has a lot going for it compared to Rhalgr's Reach.

My problem though its how ugly and compact it is; alongside its music. I much prefer Rhalgr's Reach for its beauty but the fact that they didnt bother keeping relevant features like in Idyllshire its why theres a lack of players.

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Not everything is missing. Rhalgr's has a Custom Delivery NPC.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Most of these weren't added until much later into the expansion, like WT (patch 3.4), and the first Custom Deliveries NPC (patch 3.55a). The 2nd NPC, along with Faux Hollows were added in a later expansion. Meaning the features that Idyllshire had going for it were a lot more comparable to the ones Rhalgr's Reach had, for the majority of the expansion.

I'm guessing you simply see beauty in temples that were left to ruin? Because that's what Rhalgr's Reach is. There's rubble all over the place, barely any proper paths, half-broken pillars, and tents everywhere. This all makes sense for a Resistance base, during the initial 4.0 Stormblood MSQ, when the Garlean Empire was very much in control of the region. After Ala Mhigo's liberation? The Ala Mhigans would have no reason not to start restoring the place. Even a small outpost in The Lochs (The Saltery) saw more restoration than Rhalgr's Reach. To put things into perspective, the 3.0 version of Idyllshire (before all the patches that improved it) would be comparable to how Rhalgr's Reach is today.

I'm sure Rhalgr's Reach could be a beautiful place had it received the same treatment (along with a more central aetheryte), I just find beauty to be hard to find in its current state. But at the end of the day, I guess it's how the saying goes, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder".

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Like I said, its big, its wide, theres long red drapery, waterfalls and a kick ass statue of rhalgr looming over along with a pool of water enclosure. It looks refreshing and beautiful.

Idyllshire is just a ruined, messy industrial looking ass place that most likely smells bad.

My opinion of course, but seriously you cant tell me that something so ugly and compact like a ruined ass town full of metal junk is more appealing than Rhalgrs Reach. Lets quit with the Stormblood bad memes ok?

Im just saying we need more endgame incentives to have us revisit that place because it deserves it. I flippin hate how the devs just abandon all Ala Mhigan shit just because that culture and style isnt as appealing as fantasy Japan which is the more world wide popular aesthetic.

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Originally Posted by Iselion

It's hilarious how people will complain about devs not reading the forums or taking any of the suggestions seriously. I've joined recently and the conduct and etiquette on these forums is in a sad state.

You all wonder why JP forums get more attention than we do. Maybe take a look at the JP forum and see how much more well-behaved they are and have some shame.

We're all here to have respectful conversation, yet these forums are a childish playground filed with namecalling and sarcasm. Maybe set an example if you'd like to be heard by devs?

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I take it that's a 'yes' then?

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

You've done this to yourself. It's clearly perfectly fine when these people act out in this way when they share your viewpoints in a thread, but you eventually have to realize if this continues there will come a time when the entire forum will devolve into an embarrassing mess of immaturity with everyone acting out this way. If you think it's bad now then wait until everyone is doing it and there is no longer any discussion to be had.

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Caught this again reading back on quoted posts in the current discussion after some sleep and felt compelled to add, because wow:

You were categorically wrong, and you admitted that. Trying to point score after the fact in an unrelated discussion is beyond petty, especially as you're also trying to imply I pardon behaviour I actually make a strong point of never agreeing with when it "supports my point of view", purely on the basis I disagreed with how you acted. I don't. You acted poorly, and I called it as I saw it, and whoever else may have been tangentially involved has no bearing on that whatsoever.

I will never, ever pardon any form of bullying or nasty behaviour, and twisting the course of past discussions to soothe your own wounds is low, even for this place.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Idyllshire is just a ruined, messy industrial looking ass place that most likely smells bad.

My opinion of course, but seriously you cant tell me that something so ugly and compact like a ruined ass town full of metal junk is more appealing than Rhalgrs Reach. Lets quit with the Stormblood bad memes ok?

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Have you even been to Idyllshire in, oh, anytime in the past 6 years? The entire place has been restored. Majority of the buildings fully retain the original Sharlayan aesthetic, along with the bridges and walls. It has a nice looking fountain plaza, east of the scrips vendors. It even has an entire gardening system for the outpost's sustainability.
Obviously it also has some goblin architecture, since the entire restoration was a joint effort between adventurers and goblins.

Or are you just purposefully looking at 3.0 screenshots of Idyllshire, and ignoring all the changes made from patch 3.1 to 3.5?

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Not everything is missing. Rhalgr's has a Custom Delivery NPC.

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It has one, but Idyllshire has 2 Custom Deliveries. So thats double the chances of seeing newer players (or veterans farming scrips) in the area.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Have you even been to Idyllshire in, oh, anytime in the past 6 years? The entire place has been restored. Majority of the buildings fully retain the original Sharlayan aesthetic, along with the bridges and walls. It has a nice looking fountain plaza, east of the scrips vendors. It even has an entire gardening system for the outpost's sustainability.
Obviously it also has some goblin architecture, since the entire restoration was a joint effort between adventurers and goblins.

Or are you just purposefully looking at 3.0 screenshots of Idyllshire, and ignoring all the changes made from patch 3.1 to 3.5?

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My brother, Ive consistently go there frequently every week. It still looks boring and the music is annoying! And inb4 ofcourse you hate it if you visit it so many times because:
1. 100% True which further proves my argument that it lost its luster and they should start spreading out endgame activities in various other hubs
2. If I wanted that aesthetic, Old Sharlayan is much more appealing

Look I just seriously dont like Idyllshire anymore. It's neat that there's lovable gobbies and what not but the place just looks...heavily UGH. I much rather have more reasons to visit Rhalgr's Reach because the place looks more comfortable and cozy to hang in.

It also doesnt help you have to warp into Idyllshire if you want to go to the Dravanian Forelands for FATE (for Shb relics) or Hunt farms or whatever. So thats triple the revisit time to that stanky place. Its so annoying having to do that. I wish they implemented a sidequest where you help install a main aetheryte in the Forelands so we can stop having to detour to Idyllshire to get there.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

My brother, Ive consistently go there frequently every week. It still looks boring and the music is annoying!

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There's a difference between finding the place to be boring, and calling it a ruined town. One's a perfectly fine opinion, the other is an incorrect statement.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

2. If I wanted that aesthetic, Old Sharlayan is much more appealing

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Except Old Sharlayan couldn't be visited when Idyllshire was the endgame hub.