A Respectful Request For Improved Cloth & Hair Physics

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

Or they don't show everything so they have something else new to show you in the future. Gaming company's do that all the time.

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Even if they haven't the feedback hurts noone existing. why you gotta be contrarian?

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

I remember people saying the same thing during the demo and actual release of 1.0. History truly is doomed to repeat itself.

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I get vietnam flashbacks about all the times people tell me “ofc they don’t show us all the things so they can patch them in later” and then it was actually all the new stuff, doesn’t matter if it was job stuff, content or changes.

There are several unfortunate issues arising with the baked cloth sims in this game that have nothing to do with the lack of real time physics. Chief among them being cloaks and capes cutting into the floor during regular combat stances of several jobs, which is a result of cloth physics being simulated in a void rather than with a ground collider plane:

https://i.imgur.com/5CgJQC4.jpg https://i.imgur.com/0zhxhZe.jpg

I have no idea why they thought that was a smart move, because characters mostly stand on the ground without a hole directly behind them.

I also want to raise the issue of capes generally looking pretty bad in this game due to shoddy cropping and bad alignments:

https://i.imgur.com/jRvfIBR.jpg https://i.imgur.com/F4dGFsG.jpg

Add to that the general inability to combine most shields or greatswords with most actual armor due to insane clipping with shoulderplates (which with actual physics wouldn't be fixed, but instead break the WoL's back) - which along with Chakrams cutting into long (and therefore most) chestpieces in the game is an issue only Lalas, male Roes and male Hroths (who have a bunch of issues of their own) are close to immune to. Every other character model including male Midlander and catgirls are just not able to wear a significant amount of armor in this game without unneccessary amounts of clipping on jobs that should be made for wearing those types of armor. These and most clipping issues are not neccessarily physics issues and often can't be satisfyingly fixed with better physics. They are the result of careless design.

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Originally Posted by Junepi93

What happens to ps4 players? Can they use their account on PC if they wanted, or the ps5?

I'm a ps5 user now I'm getting nervous I'm just wasting my time if inevitably drop ps5 support one day.

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If/When they drop support for PS4 (most likely in 2-3 years come 8.0) they usually would allow people to migrate over to PS5 completely free of charge. Do not worry, they will NOT ever drop support for PS5, that I can promise you, the PS5 is still new and they will not drop support for it! Don't worry!

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

You know what? Yes. I'm bumping this up. It's about time. Anyone remembers the OG Odin cape before PS3 killed it?

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OMG YES! I remember!!!

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

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Times change and the game needs to change accordingly, if we are going to have prettier faces we will also need better bodies with round elbows, thighs, knees and toes.


The hair clipping will look really shabby with better graphics so they should seriously take the need to work on a solution, hair weight would be ideal and it could also be used in clothing, everything is stiff in this game, skirts look like iron sheets when sitting.

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I agree, an HD upgrade FOR NOW is fine, but they need to overhaul the hair and include physics down the line, I'm so tired of looking at 2-d plastic looking hair and Nintendo 64 hands and feet, it looks horrendous in cut scenes up close...

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Originally Posted by Eisi

There are several unfortunate issues arising with the baked cloth sims in this game that have nothing to do with the lack of real time physics. Chief among them being cloaks and capes cutting into the floor during regular combat stances of several jobs, which is a result of cloth physics being simulated in a void rather than with a ground collider plane:

https://i.imgur.com/5CgJQC4.jpg https://i.imgur.com/0zhxhZe.jpg

I have no idea why they thought that was a smart move, because characters mostly stand on the ground without a hole directly behind them.

I also want to raise the issue of capes generally looking pretty bad in this game due to shoddy cropping and bad alignments:

https://i.imgur.com/jRvfIBR.jpg https://i.imgur.com/F4dGFsG.jpg

Add to that the general inability to combine most shields or greatswords with most actual armor due to insane clipping with shoulderplates (which with actual physics wouldn't be fixed, but instead break the WoL's back) - which along with Chakrams cutting into long (and therefore most) chest pieces in the game is an issue only Lalas, male Roes and male Hroths (who have a bunch of issues of their own) are close to immune to. Every other character model including male Midlander and catgirls are just not able to wear a significant amount of armor in this game without unnecessary amounts of clipping on jobs that should be made for wearing those types of armor. These and most clipping issues are not necessarily physics issues and often can't be satisfyingly fixed with better physics. They are the result of careless design.

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Great post!

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Originally Posted by PEANUT

I agree, an HD upgrade FOR NOW is fine, but they need to overhaul the hair and include physics down the line, I'm so tired of looking at 2-d plastic looking hair and Nintendo 64 hands and feet, it looks horrendous in cut scenes up close...

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Yeah. This issue really came to head for me when I started taking screenshots for a possible webcomic. No matter how I tried, some things would always look bad. It's held everything back because I don't want to put out a comic that'll look crappy to anyone who doesn't play FFXIV.

Oh my god yes, I friggin hate the nailed down capes so much!

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Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho

Great post!

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Thank you! In your quote of my post you corrected my spelling errors I see? You really didn't need to do that :D I never saw anybody do that!

But I took note and will try to write "necessary" with but a single "c" in the future. It ain't my mother tongue.

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Originally Posted by Eisi

Thank you! In your quote of my post you corrected my spelling errors I see? You really didn't need to do that :D I never saw anybody do that!

But I took note and will try to write "necessary" with but a single "c" in the future. It ain't my mother tongue.

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You're welcome! I'm glad you didn't take offense. :). If it's any comfort, I misspell "necessary" all the time too. Thank goodness for spell check or I'd drive my editor to despair!

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Originally Posted by PEANUT

I agree, an HD upgrade FOR NOW is fine, but they need to overhaul the hair and include physics down the line, I'm so tired of looking at 2-d plastic looking hair and Nintendo 64 hands and feet, it looks horrendous in cut scenes up close...

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The hair is being updated with everything else in the graphical update. I wouldn't expect a physics update to the level people here are asking for due to the technical requirements. The same people demanding realistic physics would be complaining their toaster melts every time they're in a populated area.

Side note, people should be careful what they wish for with the clipping complaints. WoW players did the same thing and made the problem substantially worse. Instead of dealing with a little shoulder pad clipping sometimes the shoulders look like shit all the time now because the devs "solved" the problem by making them hover ten feet off the character.

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Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho

Great post!



Yeah. This issue really came to head for me when I started taking screenshots for a possible webcomic. No matter how I tried, some things would always look bad. It's held everything back because I don't want to put out a comic that'll look crappy to anyone who doesn't play FFXIV.

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Yea, I can see that. People (using some friends of mine for example) complain the game is old and so are the graphics and get turned off investing in the game at this point which is so sad because I have been playing since 1.0 back in 2010 and it's such an incredible game with a long history, it just needs to be upgraded not just graphical wise but past that as well, physics, weather, dynamic skybox, ray-tracing options, etc.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

The hair is being updated with everything else in the graphical update. I wouldn't expect a physics update to the level people here are asking for due to the technical requirements. The same people demanding realistic physics would be complaining their toaster melts every time they're in a populated area.

Side note, people should be careful what they wish for with the clipping complaints. WoW players did the same thing and made the problem substantially worse. Instead of dealing with a little shoulder pad clipping sometimes the shoulders look like shit all the time now because the devs "solved" the problem by making them hover ten feet off the character.

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Thanks for the reply! Absolutely, and please don't misinterpret me, these things I would love to see are more so upgrades, not super advanced. Yoshi always set that expectation with the community to not expect Horizon Forbidden West graphics, etc. but I do think improvements can and should be made, at least to an extent. Not just physics but improved weather(weather effects), maybe dynamic skybox(instead of 2-d clouds), would LOVE options for ray-tracing(OMFG imagine doing the dungeons and light can bounce around), as well as maybe utilizing the SSD capabilities in current gen consoles like breaking down barries zones finally?

People claim they want FFXIV to be around for along time while at the same time not wanting the devs to future-proof it. Ah yes those static 2D clouds the game uses in every zone are comical. Yanxia uses dynamic ones during windy weather; they should use those in every zone, but not just during windy conditions.

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Originally Posted by Rekh

People claim they want FFXIV to be around for along time while at the same time not wanting the devs to future-proof it. Ah yes those static 2D clouds the game uses in every zone are comical. Yanxia uses dynamic ones during windy weather; they should use those in every zone, but not just during windy conditions.

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I totally get what you are saying about people not wanting the devs to future proof the game. I don't understand the mindset.

If a game wants to continue to draw in new subscribers then they have to put in the effort to have it look as good as the new stuff. I applaud what CBU3 has planned but more needs to be done than updating the textures shaders.

It doesn't need to be done all at once. Textures one patch, improved hair dynamics with realistic collision with the character model next, etc...

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Originally Posted by Rekh

People claim they want FFXIV to be around for along time while at the same time not wanting the devs to future-proof it. Ah yes those static 2D clouds the game uses in every zone are comical. Yanxia uses dynamic ones during windy weather; they should use those in every zone, but not just during windy conditions.

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Exactly I feel the same way! I completely understand not alienating people on older PC's and who still play on PS4's, but by next expansion the upgrade needs to happen and PS4 support needs to be dropped. Whether that's saving up a little money every month for a $400 digital PS5 or saving every month for a couple hundred dollars for a new graphics card, by 8.0 which might come out the earliest in late 2026 the PS5/XSX will be 6 years old by then. If they drop PS4 support they can finally start utilizing the new minimum requirements and updating things like the skybox, physics, ray-tracing support, etc.

I'd honestly settle for character physics not breaking above 60fps.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

I'd honestly settle for character physics not breaking above 60fps.

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Same! I wonder if they have ever mentioned improving the physics, I really hope this is something they look into for 8.0 and drop PS4 support...