2.0 Website and SE time sensetivity

Haha is "soon" better than "eventually"?

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Originally Posted by Starlord

SE tells us when soon is:

People go: WTF SE Y U TAKE SOOO LONG!!!! ARGHGHGHGHG!!

SE just says soon to us with no set date or anything:

People go: WTF SE Y U NO TELL US WHAT SOON MEANS ARGHHHGHGHG!!!

Best if SE doesn't say anything at all.. seriously... ~.~

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People will complain regardless, but leaving things up in the air only makes it worse.

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Originally Posted by Mug

People will complain regardless, but leaving things up in the air only makes it worse.

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However people tend to think if SE is late that they can't meet their deadline, thus making them not Trustworthy to the consumer when they say: this is coming out in 7/28/12~ when it comes a a month later 8/28/12. I'm no business major and all.. but lying to the consumer is the worst thing a company can do. That's just me though

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Originally Posted by Starlord

However people tend to think if SE is late that they can't meet their deadline, thus making them not Trustworthy to the consumer when they say: this is coming out in 7/28/12~ when it comes a a month later 8/28/12. I'm no business major and all.. but lying to the consumer is the worst thing a company can do. That's just me though

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I don't think anyone expects a date, but at least the name of the month? It's only a website anyway. Hardly something that requires lots of manpower and work hours to get ready in time. I'm sure they just want to time it right for the "maximum amount of impact" or whatever reasoning they're using.

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Originally Posted by Mug

I don't think anyone expects a date, but at least the name of the month? It's only a website anyway. Hardly something that requires lots of manpower and work hours to get ready in time. I'm sure they just want to time it right for the "maximum amount of impact" or whatever reasoning they're using.

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Well, I'm only going off based on how the community has been acting as a whole to when SE releases or not releases a date, I hope everyone ( or most) on here can understand when SE (Yoshi-P) Says "Were aiming for end of July" and its late for a month.. people won't freak out because they didn;t say "Its going to be coming at the end of July". I know its not going to happen, but I do hope for that day to come one day.

Anyways, Lets all just have fun play FFXIV, do Real Life stuff.. whatever it is you do to have fun do it, You only live once (Yolo" =)

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Well, I'm only going off based on how the community has been acting as a whole to when SE releases or not releases a date, I hope everyone ( or most) on here can understand when SE (Yoshi-P) Says "Were aiming for end of July" and its late for a month.. people won't freak out because they didn;t say "Its going to be coming at the end of July". I know its not going to happen, but I do hope for that day to come one day.

Anyways, Lets all just have fun play FFXIV, do Real Life stuff.. whatever it is you do to have fun do it, You only live once (Yolo" =)

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YOREFM

(You only return every fifteen minutes).

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Originally Posted by Rau

YOREFM

(You only return every fifteen minutes).

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/100000000 Char. :p

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Originally Posted by Mug

I don't think anyone expects a date, but at least the name of the month? It's only a website anyway. Hardly something that requires lots of manpower and work hours to get ready in time. I'm sure they just want to time it right for the "maximum amount of impact" or whatever reasoning they're using.

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for what do you need an almost empty website spaceholder? ;XD

and if you want a date just look up the damn time schedule which they have posted almost a year ago.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

for what do you need an almost empty website spaceholder? ;XD

and if you want a date just look up the damn time schedule which they have posted almost a year ago.

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Sadly, the PDF's don;t indicate anything about the website >.<.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

for what do you need an almost empty website spaceholder? ;XD

and if you want a date just look up the damn time schedule which they have posted almost a year ago.

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Thats 2.0 promotion and trailer release.

The website was stated to be prior to that.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

for what do you need an almost empty website spaceholder? ;XD

and if you want a date just look up the damn time schedule which they have posted almost a year ago.

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You seem like a very hostile person. I hope you feel better.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Even then they could have non-spoiler related trailers, like showing off Character Creations..the improved (but WIP) systems like for crafting and gathering and so on.

Hell they could even have screencaps like they used to do with expansion sites like:
http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/pro.../tavnazia.html
http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/pro...d/riverne.html

So I don't think it need to immediately coincide with 7th umbral era events, since they can easily show off "spoiler" stuff without giving away anything, since the landmass will greatly change due to it sure...but they can still show places off since it's not like people who aren't playing XIV will know what's going on and exactly why the world is different now since for all they know SE could have just simply redesigned the world.

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"This new site will feature world lore, character, system, and content updates as soon as the information is available." I would consider world lore as a spoiler. I honestly don't see it happening until/after 1.23. The only thing that leads me to think if it may appear before is that he said the CG trailer is sometime around midsummer. However 1.23 is also around mid-summer so it's still possible.

Though it could be additional world lore excluding Umbral Era stuff if you think about it. They do a decent job fleshing stuff out in posts (that people complain about because it's not about raids or gear) but there's still a bit of lore they could touch up on. Just check out the localization forum, a lot of that isn't immediate spoilers but stuff they could easily add to a 'codex' or something on the website, that's how I generally interpret world lore..info about everything from naming conventions to stories that isn't/won't be present in game in full (think: Vanadiel Tribune.)


I think the trailer mainly is what contained spoilers they wanted to avoid showing off/flesh it out better.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Anyways, Lets all just have fun play FFXIV, do Real Life stuff.. whatever it is you do to have fun do it, You only live once (Yolo" =)

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Y'know, up until this post I managed to remain happily ignorant of what YOLO meant... thank you for ruining that. I now hate you with the fire of a thousand suns. :P lol

On topic, I sort of agree with the OP. Valve Time is a running joke to most of us (rightfully so) and I cannot stand it when companies use the word "soon" to describe a timetable, nor any other equally-ambiguous word (especially when used to an obscene degree, like how Blizzard does).
For so long have I seen Yoshida-san say things like, "We're aiming to get that released to you by the end of May," and that's an absolutely beautiful choice of words -- it satisfies every party involved in the discussion (players get their ballpark time of release, and developers still have an escape clause if there's a misstep) -- and it's one of the many small distinctions that make me feel glad to give Square my money, even if I don't manage to login to XIV at all in a given month. Yet when I start seeing someone bandying about "soon this" or "soon that" (side note: "in 2.0" is starting to have the same connotations for me :/) and just leaving it at that, especially after showing they know how to not use such words... it leaves a sour taste, as it reminds me of...other developers... :/

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Originally Posted by Scratches

Y'know, up until this post I managed to remain happily ignorant of what YOLO meant... thank you for ruining that. I now hate you with the fire of a thousand suns. :P lol

On topic, I sort of agree with the OP. Valve Time is a running joke to most of us (rightfully so) and I cannot stand it when companies use the word "soon" to describe a timetable, nor any other equally-ambiguous word (especially when used to an obscene degree, like how Blizzard does).
For so long have I seen Yoshida-san say things like, "We're aiming to get that released to you by the end of May," and that's an absolutely beautiful choice of words -- it satisfies every party involved in the discussion (players get their ballpark time of release, and developers still have an escape clause if there's a misstep) -- and it's one of the many small distinctions that make me feel glad to give Square my money, even if I don't manage to login to XIV at all in a given month. Yet when I start seeing someone bandying about "soon this" or "soon that" (side note: "in 2.0" is starting to have the same connotations for me :/) and just leaving it at that, especially after showing they know how to not use such words... it leaves a sour taste, as it reminds me of...other developers... :/

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Happy I could help a Fellow Adventurer! :D

What are you talking about?

Website is on!

http://www.arealmreborn.net/

If I was SE I'd never say a solid date for anything. The people just explode the moment you slide a inch.

There's still Japan Expo and Gamescom (and PAX maybe?) for SE to attend, too.

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Originally Posted by Momita

What are you talking about?

Website is on!

http://www.arealmreborn.net/

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You forget that pretty much every browser these days (even IE now probably) can show you actual addresses..right? lol

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Originally Posted by Elexia

You forget that pretty much every browser these days (even IE now probably) can show you actual addresses..right? lol

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Not many people have memorized the YouTube URL for the rickroll, so that still works on occasion.

It's been overdone, though, so you gotta save it for the perfect moment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHZY4...layer_embedded


For those interested in upcoming Gamescom

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Originally Posted by Nero

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHZY4...layer_embedded


For those interested in upcoming Gamescom

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Fanfest 2007 was more fun than anything they show in that video.

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

Fanfest 2007 was more fun than anything they show in that video.

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----> For those interested in upcoming Gamescom <----

Hm? you were in the Hilton?

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Originally Posted by Jynx

If I was SE I'd never say a solid date for anything. The people just explode the moment you slide a inch.

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No date would probably be for the best. Still, no one sets the date but SE. I think that's why so many people get flustered when SE misses their own deadline.

If I were SE and needed a month to get something done I'd tell the players it'll be done in two. That way I could delay it for twice as long as I'd need and still some like a hero for releasing it on time or even early.

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Originally Posted by Nero

Hm? you were in the Hilton?

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Yep, and I SAW the Hilton (Matt, that is).

Hard to not see him. XD

I give it sometime after 1.23... closer to 1.23a