Crystal Tower Queues finally DEAD

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

I will just stop doing alliance roulette. It isn't worth it to me unless I can finish it in 15 minutes or less, being stuck in Orbonne for 45 minutes does not sound like a good time. I think many of us who strip down to just get CT won't do alliance raid at all anymore, so enjoy those queues :)

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What Orbonne still takes 45 minutes?! I haven't seen an Ivalice raid take more than 15-20 minutes throughout the entirety of Endwalker. LotA/WoD is where I regularly see people actually wipe. I get a LotA/WoD with 30+ minutes in progress very often in Mentor Roulette.

The only one I regularly see take longer than half an hour is the Tower at Paradigm's Breech, because the bosses are HP sponges with multiple untargetable phases.

I think we're still going to see a lot of lvl 50 AR with the influx of new players 7.0 will bring (Xbox players too, of course).

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

It isn't worth it to me unless I can finish it in 15 minutes or less, being stuck in Orbonne for 45 minutes does not sound like a good time.

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Gotta spend those 30 minutes roleplaying in Balmung or decorating your house I bet.

It won't do a whole lot but it's a start.
Now make the ilvl synch much tighter and make jobs not boring as sin at lower levels.

There are two issues here:

1 - CT will still be the most common raid. It's the lowest common denominator. ilevel cheese or no it only takes one player below level 60 or with no other raids unlocked to toss the other 23 into CT. It will make other others a bit more common, but CT/Mhach will likely still be the majority.

2 - The reward structure that leads people to ilevel cheese in the first place isn't changing. Who wants to risk getting Copied Factory when you could do a quick and brain dead LotA for the exact same rewards?

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Originally Posted by Brightamethyst

There are two issues here:

1 - CT will still be the most common raid. It's the lowest common denominator. ilevel cheese or no it only takes one player below level 60 or with no other raids unlocked to toss the other 23 into CT. It will make other others a bit more common, but CT/Mhach will likely still be the majority.

2 - The reward structure that leads people to ilevel cheese in the first place isn't changing. Who wants to risk getting Copied Factory when you could do a quick and brain dead LotA for the exact same rewards?

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See, it isnt an issue that CT pops the most frequently - at most Id say it needs to be retuned to Endwalker potencies.

But knowing that out of all possible cases increasing the chance, the iLv manipulation is being addressed matters infinitely more.

Nobody minds going into ARR raids for a sprout. But I am betting kuponuts that those who hate zoning into the raid and one or more people suddenly change in HP values when freshly entering the duty will be quite pleased.

It was about the"why", not "how often".

Honestly, at least we can finally put the ilv cheese thing (still hated how we just called this. Sounds stupid) to rest, since it all depends on your level.

This will absolutely reduce how often it happens, it'll still be the most common just cause it's mandatory for story, but there was a huge amount of players i could tell were cheesing every time this raid came up.

I for one can't wait to see Thunder God Cid pile up enough corpses to reach heaven.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

See, it isnt an issue that CT pops the most frequently - at most Id say it needs to be retuned to Endwalker potencies.

But knowing that out of all possible cases increasing the chance, the iLv manipulation is being addressed matters infinitely more.

Nobody minds going into ARR raids for a sprout. But I am betting kuponuts that those who hate zoning into the raid and one or more people suddenly change in HP values when freshly entering the duty will be quite pleased.

It was about the"why", not "how often".

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They will be pleased but there is no proof that the CT raid has been caused by them.

If more players pick up the free trial it will mean more CT with a small side of Ivalice.

I look forward to more Orbonne though - it's a favorite.

Though I still, uh, have an alt that has only unlocked CT (and not finished HW yet.)

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Originally Posted by Saraide

They will be pleased but there is no proof that the CT raid has been caused by them.

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"I'M IN A TOWER BUTT-BOOTY NAKED."

ILVL cheesers probably.

Whiners soon: why is alliance queue so long? I never had to wait long before to get my daily done.

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Originally Posted by Nyxs

Whiners soon: why is alliance queue so long? I never had to wait long before to get my daily done.

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What answer could you possibly get on this forum other than XIV is dying?

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

"I'M IN A TOWER BUTT-BOOTY NAKED."

ILVL cheesers probably.

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You can re-equip when as soon as you queued. I don't think that's a proper way to tell them.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

I for one can't wait to see Thunder God Cid pile up enough corpses to reach heaven.

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Its a shame we're on different DCs, because I hard queue Orbonne since I feel its the only Alliance Raid worth a damn doing (for the fun of it).

That aside, do we know if these ilvl restrictions also include unlocking ARs outside of CT to queue for the roulette? Because if not, this change by itself isn't going to do very much.

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

"I'M IN A TOWER BUTT-BOOTY NAKED."

ILVL cheesers probably.

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They could probably pretend it still works and get a bunch of people to believe them.

You guys really think this will solve the issue?

People will just AFK when doing the unnecessary long raids like Nier.

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Originally Posted by Pratini

You guys really think this will solve the issue?

People will just AFK when doing the unnecessary long raids like Nier.

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Then we will waste their time.. they want us to kick them to skip the timer.. well drag them along till the final boss or near it and then vote kick..

They wanted to skip 30min wait now they have to wait 20+min in the raid and how ever long it takes to get into another roulette raid.. plus the new raid they get could be the same or worse for them lol

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Originally Posted by ASkellington

That aside, do we know if these ilvl restrictions also include unlocking ARs outside of CT to queue for the roulette? Because if not, this change by itself isn't going to do very much.

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There's nothing to indicate that unlocking other Alliance Raids will be mandatory to get access to the roulette.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

There's nothing to indicate that unlocking other Alliance Raids will be mandatory to get access to the roulette.

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If SE is smart they will add that in with the requirement tho.. other wise there will be another round of complaints to get the change added again lol

Hopefully we can get an ilvl adjustment on it too

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Originally Posted by Nyxs

Whiners soon: why is alliance queue so long? I never had to wait long before to get my daily done.

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Cheesers now:

https://media.tenor.com/K607LdomOL4AAAAM/baby-cute.gif

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Originally Posted by Baxcel

Then we will waste their time.. they want us to kick them to skip the timer.. well drag them along till the final boss or near it and then vote kick..

They wanted to skip 30min wait now they have to wait 20+min in the raid and how ever long it takes to get into another roulette raid.. plus the new raid they get could be the same or worse for them lol

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>Implying the group will wait long enough for the 5min loot timer to end from the afker not rolling before pulling the next boss when in reality everyone just wants to get out of there ASAP, thus making sure they can't get kicked due to a new set of loot chests opening before they can get kicked, along with vote kick being unable to activate during combat.

Even in the longer raids, someone can easily be unkickable. But keep enjoying your revenge fantasy that'll never work in practice unless the group manages to wipe on a boss.
Even beyond that, it's trivially easy to just blend into the crowd, dont use any weaponskills and just auto-attack.

As for the topic, don't get your hopes up. CT is still so insanely biased in the roulette due to several other factors that this ilvl fix is only a small bandaid on a much larger issue. You're still going to see it a predominant amount of the time that the meta for the ilvl cheesers will likely switch to just insta leaving if they get anything that isn't easy, due to the fact that they're statistically very likely to get CT on the 2nd attempt anyway and 30min lockout is basically nothing.

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Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir

As for the topic, don't get your hopes up. CT is still so insanely biased in the roulette due to several other factors that this ilvl fix is only a small bandaid on a much larger issue. You're still going to see it a predominant amount of the time that the meta for the ilvl cheesers will likely switch to just insta leaving if they get anything that isn't easy, due to the fact that they're statistically very likely to get CT on the 2nd attempt anyway and 30min lockout is basically nothing.

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Me if I get anything in the Nier series. Other ones are ok though.

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Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir

the meta for the ilvl cheesers will likely switch to just insta leaving if they get anything that isn't easy, due to the fact that they're statistically very likely to get CT on the 2nd attempt anyway and 30min lockout is basically nothing.

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Yeah... that's the idea. They help pop the good raids in the queue then take the penalty. Thanks to them in advance! :D

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You're still going to see it a predominant amount of the time that the meta for the ilvl cheesers will likely switch to just insta leaving if they get anything that isn't easy, due to the fact that they're statistically very likely to get CT on the 2nd attempt anyway and 30min lockout is basically nothing.

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It literally takes less time to finish a higher alliance raid than instaleaving + 30min lockout + 15min of Crystal Tower?

Maybe cheesers now could just... get good?

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

You underestimate the power of the trolls.

They never unlocked Orobone, Sky Pirates, or Nier.

It will still, always, be crystal tower.



There's a few ways. Mentor roulette has code that requires you to run the dungeons to unlock it. Alliance Raid Roulette could take the same code and require that you've done the dungeons up to the ilvl as you progress or you can't que in it.

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but you know if it gets me at least a few other alliance raids in a couple of weeks vs syrcus all the time, then im all for it.

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Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir

>Implying the group will wait long enough for the 5min loot timer to end from the afker not rolling before pulling the next boss when in reality everyone just wants to get out of there ASAP, thus making sure they can't get kicked due to a new set of loot chests opening before they can get kicked, along with vote kick being unable to activate during combat.

Even in the longer raids, someone can easily be unkickable. But keep enjoying your revenge fantasy that'll never work in practice unless the group manages to wipe on a boss.
Even beyond that, it's trivially easy to just blend into the crowd, dont use any weaponskills and just auto-attack.

As for the topic, don't get your hopes up. CT is still so insanely biased in the roulette due to several other factors that this ilvl fix is only a small bandaid on a much larger issue. You're still going to see it a predominant amount of the time that the meta for the ilvl cheesers will likely switch to just insta leaving if they get anything that isn't easy, due to the fact that they're statistically very likely to get CT on the 2nd attempt anyway and 30min lockout is basically nothing.

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Exactly, good luck trying to kick anyone in an Alliance Raid.

And yes its quite easy to AFK under the boss while auto attacking.

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Originally Posted by DayHealer

It literally takes less time to finish a higher alliance raid than instaleaving + 30min lockout + 15min of Crystal Tower?

Maybe cheesers now could just... get good?

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If I leave any roulette then I just restock my retainers, do daily crafting, tribal quests, fish, etc. while I wait for the timer. Stuff I need to do anyway.

30 lockout/crafting/markets/tribalquests + 20 LotA/queue + 5 extra queue <<< 45 Nier/queue + 30 crafting/markets/tribalquests.

I look forward to rush in Stormblood Raids since it's going free.