PVP 7.0

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Originally Posted by Mayhemmer

Nobody asked for this suggestion, but I'll give it anyway because it's stuck in my mind. Why not encourage CBU3 to try something that plays to the game's strength? Why not try a PvE-based PvP mode? Something akin to Destiny's Gambit, or Maplestory's monster carnival (wonder if I'm the only weirdo that even knows what that was)?

I know the idea of 'competitive PvE' would come with it's own host of balance concerns, but it's been done before, and done pretty well. Get creative. It'd be nice to have a mode you could just queue into on repeat because it's fun to play, and not just leave you upset. PvE content, designed for PvP.

Wonder if it's ever been considered.

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That's essentially officializing speedruns ingame. Either it gets random enough that you can't just optimize a meta to attain an unbeatable record or the rng involved is too wild that competing under random conditions fails to make it a competition.

Alternatively there is PvPvE.

That said, to say that PvE is this game's strength only holds value if you cite for how long they have developed PvE... and even then it isnt exactly great given how much they already invested in it because they keep taking things out that are good and make it worse. Two steps forward 1.5 steps backward.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

That's essentially officializing speedruns ingame. Either it gets random enough that you can't just optimize a meta to attain an unbeatable record or the rng involved is too wild that competing under random conditions fails to make it a competition.

Alternatively there is PvPvE.

That said, to say that PvE is this game's strength only holds value if you cite for how long they have developed PvE... and even then it isnt exactly great given how much they already invested in it because they keep taking things out that are good and make it worse. Two steps forward 1.5 steps backward.

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I dunno friend. I'm just spitballing.

Frontlines leaves me and plenty of others frustrated for any number of reasons, and the bandaid solutions that keep getting slapped onto it. CC has it's fair share of critique as well. Rival Wings is... well, I miss it. It wasn't perfect, but it was unique, and wasn't a 3-team fustercluck.

To be fair to CC, it comes closest to a mode I can just queue on repeat, thanks to how quickly matches tend to play out. But that tends to end with me just having to detach from the outcome completely, win or lose. It has just as many frustrating nuances as Frontlines; things you can't change or help because it's just how the mode is. So whatever, I'll just get the series exp or tomes and queue again, and just not care again. But that's not actually fun, is it? Your mileage may vary, of course.

So, how do you make it fun again? Guess we'll find out.

Besides. I never said PvE was the game's only strength.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

Alternatively there is PvPvE.

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But there really isn't, though. Smacking a big rock that sits there and does nothing isn't what anyone would call "PvE," at least not the fashion I'm referring to.

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Originally Posted by Mayhemmer

But there really isn't, though. Smacking a big rock that sits there and does nothing isn't what anyone would call "PvE," at least not the fashion I'm referring to.

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I was more thinking along the lines of Hidden Gorge mammet management and dealing with the Goblin Mercenary + train.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

I was more thinking along the lines of Hidden Gorge mammet management and dealing with the Goblin Mercenary + train.

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That's fair, I guess

Here's a change I would like to see aswell.

Make superflare have a z axis for crying out loud, really anoying if someone is even slightly above or below you and you can't bind/dot them, being at top platform in onsai for example you can't even superflare someone who's just slightly down the ramp.

If you gonna make smn aoe's ignore cover, at least give blm this.

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Originally Posted by Llynethil

Here's a change I would like to see aswell.

Make superflare have a z axis for crying out loud, really anoying if someone is even slightly above or below you and you can't bind/dot them, being at top platform in onsai for example you can't even superflare someone who's just slightly down the ramp.

If you gonna make smn aoe's ignore cover, at least give blm this.

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Think it'd be better if they just removed BLM from PvP personally.

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Originally Posted by Nikoto

Think it'd be better if they just removed BLM from PvP personally.

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Bruh, don't you play DRG? I guess I can't say much. I feel the same about WHM at this point. xD

Seeing a particular thread floating about I think I'm going to attempt to tease certain people with this suggestion. Try not to take it too seriously.

This is directed towards the CC rank system.

Get rid of the star system in diamond, and replace it with the point system that crystal has. Then make it so that only top 100 are able to obtain crystal rank at any given point.

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Originally Posted by Mistress_Irika

Get rid of the star system in diamond, and replace it with the point system that crystal has. Then make it so that only top 100 are able to obtain crystal rank at any given point.

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I am not sure. There are times when people don't play ranked much. You almost got top100 with a high silver rank once. And some gold seasons in the past. They can change the points yes, but I would still make it 100 at all times.

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Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia

I am not sure. There are times when people don't play ranked much. You almost got top100 with a high silver rank once. And some gold seasons in the past. They can change the points yes, but I would still make it 100 at all times.

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Oh dear. Heavens, no. My intentions aren't to mess with rewards as far as top 100 goes. If the base level for that particular data center happens to be gold let then have their glory. My apologies for not being specific. This is more towards those that usually has a ton of people in crystal. 1st 100 players to get out of platinum will go straight to crystal, and everyone else who manages to get out of platinum will have to fight for the crystal rank.

SAM needs more than just an LB change, it is honestly the worst pvp class at the moment. It is incredibly lackluster and functions on a single mechanic that everyone can ignore without issue.

I just want the mode to be fun, feels like it's just Saltedlines and Salted Conflict anymore (and Rival Wings might as well not even exist), and the only reason I was queuing was for XP and vendor items, of which all my jobs are at 90 and there's only a couple of trophy crystal items left that I want, so I've gone from half a dozen or more matches a day to doing one Frontline roulette and nothing more.

And even then I've started to take the leave penalty when certain players show up, because 30 minutes of not playing it is preferable to 10 minutes of waiting for the premade to win.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

I just want the mode to be fun, feels like it's just Saltedlines and Salted Conflict anymore (and Rival Wings might as well not even exist), and the only reason I was queuing was for XP and vendor items, of which all my jobs are at 90 and there's only a couple of trophy crystal items left that I want, so I've gone from half a dozen or more matches a day to doing one Frontline roulette and nothing more.

And even then I've started to take the leave penalty when certain players show up, because 30 minutes of not playing it is preferable to 10 minutes of waiting for the premade to win.

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100%. But don't fall into the trap I did and go fishing.

My biggest wishes are:

A) Less personal heals/mitigation. The amount of damage that people can take it absolutely obscene. It means that only burst can truly do any damage, and attrition is meaningless. "Recuperate" is extremely strong, and "Elixir" removes any decision about how to use it.

B) Better healing options for "healers". Having a single target "Cure", with a cast time that heals for less than recuperate, with limited charges that don't affect your kit is just pointless. Most jobs that risk taking lots of damage have dive ability that gives them a shield, inbuilt heals, powerful CC, or all of the above (looking at you DRK).

C) Get rid of "Salted Earth" or change it to be a LB. It's so unbelievably strong with it's huge draw in range that combo's in a bind,gives damage mitigation and healing for the DRK, and it cannot be played against. There is no defense against the draw in, it forces either a guard or a purify, and it's on a low CD. It can single-handedly decide fight outcomes. It can prevent retreats, gather people together, interrupt casts, pull people of edges (takes some effort), zones out players, and creates is stupidly easy setup for Eventide + Quietus for a near full heal.

D) Make BRD's abilities work alliance wide. Seeing someone about to eat a massive CC + burst and knowing that you can't help out with "Warden's Paean" is just the worst feeling. Also add an affect to "Pitch Perfect" called "Harmonisation" that when you apply two stacks to the target causes your next "Blast Arrow" on the target to inflict stun.

E) Reduce "Horrid Roar" effect down to 20%. 50% reduction of people's damage in a 10" AoE for 10 seconds every 25 seconds....yeah, it's far too strong. BRD LB increases damage output of the party by 10% and giving a little bit of LB guage, this is an ability that reduces by far more, hits across alliances, and is on a 25sec cooldown. It is far better support than the "support" from the support based LB. Also buff "Final Fantasia" or give that as a standard ability.

There are more, but currently these are the biggest issues I have.

Are you talking about frontlines here?

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

100%. But don't fall into the trap I did and go fishing.

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Can’t fall into the trap when I’ve already completed all fish up to dawntrail

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Originally Posted by EvianYmir89

Can’t fall into the trap when I’ve already completed all fish up to dawntrail

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From my perspective that's like avoiding getting attacked by a bear by getting eaten by a lion.

Still waiting 5 years later...

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I want my old modes back.

Honestly I like the combat system of having one button chained to a set of combos. They did great there and I'd like an option for something like that in pve. Maybe like a Console/PC option.

1. More buttons and ability access. Do EXACTLY what Streetfighter 6 did. People too lazy/incompetent/casual can stick with the 12 button simplified stuff currently. On the other hand, people willing to invest the time to learn to maximize abilities, and more importantly write pvp macros and combine buttons anyway (which made multiple buttons NEVER an issue in the first place) can have access to the luscious versatility we lost. Will this create a skill gap? Aaaabsolutely, but the utility is very fairly there for all to put to use. Stop penalizing people with passion for lazy ones.

2.Return both 8 vs 8’s in the Wolves Den and 24-man matches to Frontlines and simply make then 100% solo que. Premade ruined the 24s, so eliminate that but keep the rest. Currently, dealing with mass Frontlines, doing 99% damage on a target as a melee just to have 20 ranged dps steal the last hit while you’re raindrop dancing between 30 brainless drks isn’t fun, it’s an exercise in sanity. 24 mans made people have to pull their weight more, in addition to giving waaaaaaay more opportunities for duels and such, verses run in 5 seconds and pray the lag gods don’t see ya.

3. Stop. Watering. Stuff. Down. Remember when war was a one man-army with Retaliate > Berserk > Bloodbath? Remember when mch took off your face if you even looked at it funny? When brd was a ranged job and not a community servicing bottom loving pool stick player? The devs, in favor of driving the team element so hard you can’t eat a cheeseburger without 2-3 people holding it for you, water down jobs to the point of breakage. (Ask any oldschool mnk how they feel about having all their spammable abilities converted to gcds) Let pvp get exciting again. Push up the damage.