Given how easy it is to accumulate Trophy Crystals, I don't think 10k is unreasonable, especially with how slow the devs are to make additions to PvP vendor items. I wholly don't expect another update to Trophy Crystal armor trade-in until essentially 2024; and that's me being generous after watching them with Wolf Marks all these years (1 armor set per expansion). The point is to keep retention beyond one, maybe two series, because apparently it takes them longer than that to add anything new.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kisshu
5k crystals for an entire new portrait kit with all of the job's remaining abilities will likely just see the same problem we have now where we go multiple series with people lamenting on having nothing to spend trophy crystals on except in this scenario the devs have less potential options to use as future rewards. I'm willing to concede 5k per ability, but the object would be to create desirable vendor items that can't feasibly be bought-up after just 1 series and that should keep most people busy across at least 2 or more. People would still have choices to spend their crystals on, and would have to set priorities on what emotes and ability motions they'd like first. As much as people want to buy up everything asap, this is giving the devss some breathing room across several series seasons. Though that is me assuming they'd never go out of their way to do something like creating a 20,000 Trophy Crystal mount to help with the crystal-sink...
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05-31-2023, 10:03 PMCidel
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06-01-2023, 02:47 AMArcheron
I want some big hitting PvP rewards for crystals that'll keep us farming PvP for a long time to come, rather than just letting me grind out series 25 and quit doing PvP. After 4 seasons there is literally nothing for you to spend your crystals on.
Put some unique mounts in for 50k crystals. Or even some for 20k.
Emotes. Put em up for like 10-20k.
Unique Armor sets, sell them for 5k a piece.
Unique hairstyles? Why not. How about 5k crystals.
Unique adventure/plate/portrait emotes as stated by others.
Add older unobtainable season gear.
None of this would be hard to farm. It's just a time sink, and helps us get rid of our excess crystals, and doing your daily roulette would be sufficient to make progress on these rewards. It's not a major grind unless you make it into one. -
06-01-2023, 10:53 AMzeth07Like some of the others in this thread, I feel like you are exaggerating the requirements of actually obtaining Feast rewards in terms of matches played doing the content.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim
You have to remember that even less people played it back then, it's the same kind of thing with people pushing for the Skybuilder rankings, in some cases you could hit the rankings with minimal effort since so few people cared to do it.
In the case of Feast, we can literally see the matches and win rates for the first few seasons. For Aether the #100 ranked players had 56% win rates and played 162 and 167 matches TOTAL. Some people did it with less than a 50% win rate....
Just using this old Malmstone XP calculator (I don't know if it's updated), it would take 155 losses of CC to reach only Rank 25. If someone wanted to reach Rank 30, they would have to get 226 LOSSES OR 176 WINS. That would be more of a grind than the Top 100 of Feast had to do at the time. Of course, it's easier if they just want to do Frontlines but they are still doing it.
That's why I don't understand this weird standard people have about Feast, I think it's more likely that people are upset that they played a mode that others didn't care about and was arguably worse and need something to justify their time spent now that things are different.
I'm not actually this type of person, but since I played during the time of the initial FFXV collaboration, shouldn't I feel special to have those rewards and no one else should get them? As in it was a you had to be there kind of thing and let me feel special. And yet they brought it back.
Or if they released items that said "Authentic Shadowstalker's Set" on the cash shop for the old Feast rewards....Because they've literally done that for other time-limited rewards which I pointed out.
That's how people sound about the Feast rewards. They can be right to feel that way don't get me wrong, but if they are right in the developer's eyes, that is a massive double standard for "time-limited" rewards.
The effort to get the Trophy Crystals should hardly equate to a"free hand-out" if they are set to appropriate values like I mentioned. The examples I gave would show that if people were doing CC for their rewards it would be more than those getting Top 100 at that time.
It's just that now there's nothing of real value to spend them on if you've been doing it for a while. So they'd be great as crystal sinks for large amounts to either keep people PvPing or bring them back for future Series. -
06-01-2023, 11:24 AMReinhardt_AzureheimWhile I believe you argue in good faith, there are some key details you are missing, which is why directly comparing how many matches you have to play to be eligible makes only sense in a a vacuum.Quote:
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For starters, matches in The Feast lasted longer and queue times were, depending on rank and role, brutal. People like me occasionally sat three.hours as a tank in queue to be in line to get matched asap. And out of those matches played you had to still win a significant amount to reach Top 100 from scratch, which is what I had to do in Season 18 and failed and reattempted in Season 19 and succeeded - by playing to the last day, which had I not done that I wouldnt be in Top 100 in S19.
Healing was infinitely more stressful and actually getting anything done as a non healer you had to and I mean HAD TO learn how to coordinate burst attacks. The game was more difficult and forced roles didnt make this any easier.
So I am sure there are some gentlemen and ladies who were well off having to play "only" like 50 matches, however this simply meant they were well off on their starting position from the previous season. They still had to out perform plenty others to climb back up. On the other hand, role queue was the single greatest limiting factor and made fresh climbing to Top 100 a rocky path, which is what created the illusion that Top 100 is some sort of "always the same ppl there" thing.
So forgive me when I sound like a really angry, broken record but you comparing playing XY matches in casual CC and equating it in any capacity to what Feast matches and playrates were like makes me unbelievably angry and irritated. I get you want some hope for those items to return, but you have to understand there is a pushback for releasing them for anything non-ranked for reasons listed above.
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06-01-2023, 11:25 AMCanadane
Since you can get them for losing, yes there's almost no effort required.
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06-01-2023, 01:04 PMTowa-Musa
cash shop feast gear would make ppl froth and im all for it
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06-01-2023, 02:38 PMNubricationThere literally is no effort in getting trophy crystals. If you pvp regularly, you will be stacked in trophy crystals. Why should people that don’t pvp, get pvp rewards? You’re basically saying that people can put minimal pvp effort and still get feast rewards.Quote:
Originally Posted by zeth07
You didn’t play feast so you didn’t know the struggle. Those rewards were Hard Earned. It’s as you said, less people played, less games were played which also meant longer queue times, we’re talking 5-15 min (sometimes even 20+min) waits as opposed to instant queues for CC. Imagine waiting all that time just to lose a game. Wanna know why T100 players played the amount they played? To not have to risk losing rating after waiting a long time for a game to pop. So once they got to a certain T100 position, they stopped playing. CC is so much easier for people to get wins so the amount of games played is much higher because anyone can easily overtake your spot by playing more. I hope that clarifies your misconception of Feast being “minimal effort.”
Those games like I said before, are 100x worse than CC games. Even just one game can leave you feeling drained because of the tempo and little room for mistakes. 1 mistake can easily cost you the game. Those rewards (once again I’m excluding cheaters and win-traders) are hard earned, and the players deserve to have the prestige that comes with it. If you want replicas, that’s fine, but it should not be, “I’m going to play pvp casually for a week and get a full set.” Doing that is basically a big F U to T100 feast players or even feast players in general. -
06-02-2023, 06:44 PMLuluna
I never did Feast but I know a couple of people who did and they worked hard from what I can remember so I think those rewards should be left. I feel they need to add more maybe cards, mounts music rolls and hairstyles. I have so many crystals I have no clue what to use them on >.<
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06-04-2023, 02:31 AMrofland
you should be able to trade your t100/t30/r1 voucher for an old seasonal reward
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06-05-2023, 09:40 AMReinhardt_AzureheimYeah thats pretty alright to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by rofland
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06-05-2023, 12:21 PMElfidan
Add purchasable minions of the #1 player from each season.
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06-05-2023, 08:17 PMReinhardt_AzureheimRank 1 Moki Moki minion yes pls :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Elfidan
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06-05-2023, 09:54 PMRyanCousland
Personally I think all reward prices need to be increased, as well as the conversion rate
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06-08-2023, 07:10 AMKowen
Could they also change it so we can accept the series malmstones out of order?
For example, you can't accept malmstone #15 without accepting #1-14 first. If your trophy crystals are capped then you're basically forced to spend 14,000 of them on junk/wolf marks before you can accept the minion at #15.