After patch 6.4 we need Golbez redemption arc

He will deny everything.

He is...Nobez

Decides he’s never gonna give you up, let you down, run around or desert you as RickRollbez.

I can't wait for the follow up game: Golbez the Hedgehog, where he'll use a gun after rolling for so many years.

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Originally Posted by Ardeth

He's as boring as waiting at the dentist, and I can't wait for him to be gone. And not in the way they would want. Like He's not an effective villain for me. I just want him to go away.

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Sounds like you find him to be Dullbez.

This thread is gold...

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Sometimes just gotta go for a strollbez.

https://img.ifunny.co/images/2f24ba5...pg?w=300&ssl=1

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Sounds like you find him to be Dullbez.

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How very Drollbez.

He is just living his best life because you only live once.

YOLOBEZ!

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Journeys to the First, to live among the dwarves, digging holes. Molebez.

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He'll be mining Coalbez.

I feel this is now a Trollbez thread

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Sounds like you find him to be Dullbez.

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To be fair, that can be said about Endwalker in general. Outside of the Garlemald stuff, this expansion and its patch content has been Dullbez.

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

I feel this is now a Trollbez thread

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Does everyone feel this way? Lets take a Pollbez.

We see that his motives have all been one big circus act. Thus he is Showbez.

Begins charging a small fee for every party that tries to clear his fight. Tollbez.

Bumping thread cause we are coming close to Golbez redemption, he is trying to invade the source just to give a place to his people.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Rubicante was the most noble of the four fiends, and already redeemed from my PoV. He would have made an awesome Scion under different circumstances.

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You got that from the 23 line he got in total?

Nah. Feed him to Zeromus or plop him in the lifestream to dissolve.

Considering his whole goal is to let his people actually die and end their cycle, he'd probably take it as a win.

We're gonna go recruit Ryne to fire Eden at the Moon of the first that will teleport the Light Aether from the 1st to the 13th and return balance to them.

A redemption arc would probably lower our chances of getting his hairstyle as an option for our characters.

Therefore we definitely do not need a redemption arc for him.

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Uh...

I mean, it is partially based in FFIV. It was obvious.

yep he got a redemption arc alright, was obvious it would happen considering it turned out VERY similar to ff4 in the end

To be fair........

He basically lost his best friend (the foreshadowing strongly suggests was our counterpart in the 13th) during the chaos of Baron Castle and the whole environment made anyone trusting anyone a vulnerability as it was at the time.
Igyorm turns up says Moons Haunted and to go there to end war, him being distraught over his best friends demise and desperately wanting to end the whole war for good agrees.
Durante goes to moon, whacks said moon men and ended up being the unwitting trigger for the flood of darkness (similar to Ardbert) and the whole world ends up ruined on account of the acians jumping the shark at the time.
Igyorm cheeses it into the rift after her crowning moment of idiocy never to be seen again (for him, we later whacked her good with the angry dragon orb and oh boy does this have retrospective karmic irony elements to boot).
Had to sit for 10millenia in a wasteland with limited information and tools about a way to end his worlds hellish fate and could only finally act at all after we whacked Zodiark.
Was primarily acting out of a desperate desire to undo his mistake by any means even if it meant throwing the source under the bus.
Only stood down after being defeated and after Zero showed him the first real light to exist on the 13th in Millenia and being offered a viable tangible alternative and not cryptic promises or just being put down either.
Helped clean up the mess he made and cooperated with the rest of the group which ultimately helps his goal by providing new, detailed information on aetheric balance as well as a link to the light blasted 1st which has a similar but opposing elemental problem to the 13th.

His character arc is consistent, is similar to the OG Golbez he's based on and his reasoning for what he did while misguided is consistent with what information we have now on the voids environment both pre and post flood. It also helps to have his character in reserve if we ever go for a proper Void Expansion (Golbez isn't the only party on the 13th still active there's other powerful voidsent who've carved out their own domains, even the cloud of darkness is still around if the story decides she needs another beatdown in the future) or if Ullunkai and Sylvia return to the 13th for more raid shenanigans or a Eureka style foray into stabilising the 13th.

Golbez has literally never appeared without being redeemed, his whole thing is that he is a well intentioned extremist.

Pretty much everyone saw this coming the moment he came into the picture.

You are kidding, right? I don't really care that it was obvious, if you have done FF4. In this game, what did we have? Minimal story, through the patch quests, and a redemption that literally happens off screen but, that's ok, we get to re-watch it through the power of memory. And even then, it's not like it's an arc. It's almost like "hey, we can do this together!" "no!" "i have the power of light" ".... ok"
I love FFXIV. I've loved the story right up to end of EW (and even then, I have issues with the Final Days being a mere inconvenience, rather than an actual cataclysmic event). These patch quests and the resolution has been ridiculous. Why was this our patch content? They could have made this into a whole expansion, with Golbez redemption being the culmination of the 13th shard being saved. Instead we get what we got and, rather than us being inspired by Emet's words, to go see the sights and mysteries of the world, no, it's someone else who is drawn to the New World and seems like we are just gonna go along for the ride, rather than the beginning of a new adventure for us.
Honestly, I'm glad these patch quests are done. Roll on DT and I will never be looking back at any of this story with fondness.

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Originally Posted by ChrysOCE

no, it's someone else who is drawn to the New World and seems like we are just gonna go along for the ride, rather than the beginning of a new adventure for us.

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Putting this in spoilers

That doesn't seem to be the case. The very last scene of the patch has Erenville bringing someone to Sharlayan specifically to look for their candidate, "our adventuring friend". That seems to imply they're looking for us.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Putting this in spoilers

That doesn't seem to be the case. The very last scene of the patch has Erenville bringing someone to Sharlayan specifically to look for their candidate, "our adventuring friend". That seems to imply they're looking for us.

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Yea I know. I just... it feels like we are off on someone else's cause. To me, it should have been us taking Emet's words to heart and it's our decision and desire to go see the wider world. Then we get drawn into whatever is happening there.

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Originally Posted by ChrysOCE

Yea I know. I just... it feels like we are off on someone else's cause. To me, it should have been us taking Emet's words to heart and it's our decision and desire to go see the wider world. Then we get drawn into whatever is happening there.

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We still can when we hear where it is. It's still our choice to go. This is just our means of getting there. Remember what Estinien said about how the current adventure started.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

We still can when we hear where it is. It's still our choice to go. This is just our means of getting there. Remember what Estinien said about how the current adventure started.

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I think we both know that is not going to be the case. Whether or not it's someone who has come to drag us off or we are following Krile or the twins (who were both told to go somewhere warm), I don't believe it will be our choice to go on this adventure (as much as it can be a chioce. I mean, we HAVE to go, but it's WHY we are going). To me, it's different if its from Emets words about how little we know, that inspires us to leave and see the wider world. Rather then someone showing up and picking us to be their adventurer in need. Maybe I'm wrong and 6.55 shows us something different.

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Originally Posted by ChrysOCE

I think we both know that is not going to be the case. Whether or not it's someone who has come to drag us off or we are following Krile or the twins (who were both told to go somewhere warm), I don't believe it will be our choice to go on this adventure (as much as it can be a chioce. I mean, we HAVE to go, but it's WHY we are going). To me, it's different if its from Emets words about how little we know, that inspires us to leave and see the wider world. Rather then someone showing up and picking us to be their adventurer in need. Maybe I'm wrong and 6.55 shows us something different.

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You think the WoL is going to get a sniff of something interesting and NOT be jumping to go? Especially if someone tells us we get to fight things.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

You think the WoL is going to get a sniff of something interesting and NOT be jumping to go? Especially if someone tells us we get to fight things.

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This. People don't seem to understand that the WoL is almost as big of a combat junkie as Zenos. The main difference being that combat isn't the only thing they care about.

Is the WoL a combat junkie or are they just basically an entity of their world that only knows battle mostly and at that point it's just them being in the right\wrong place at the right\wrong time? Basically, you can take to battle but not be a battle junkie. If battle is all around you, then as an adventurer you're bound to find yourself in a fight here and there and as the story protagonist we just find ourselves in the extreme ventures bc protagonist powers lel.

The WoL (ie me, all of you are supporting characters) is a combat junkie, for sure. But, after Endwalker, I want to think on what Emet said and go see what is happening in the world. I don't want someone to come and pick me to help them in their issue. I don't want to follow the Scions, or have them tag along. After 4 expansions, I want Dawntrail to be me deciding to leave Eorzea and be an adventurer again.

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Originally Posted by ChrysOCE

The WoL (ie me, all of you are supporting characters) is a combat junkie, for sure. But, after Endwalker, I want to think on what Emet said and go see what is happening in the world. I don't want someone to come and pick me to help them in their issue. I don't want to follow the Scions, or have them tag along. After 4 expansions, I want Dawntrail to be me deciding to leave Eorzea and be an adventurer again.

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But a lot of adventuring comes about because of opportunities that come to adventurers. Look at any anime that has something like an adventuring guild. There are notices posted that adventurers choose to pursue. Or adventurers utilize the services of information gathering organizations. You're describing more of a wanderer. For an adventurer, one of their most important resources is connections.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

But a lot of adventuring comes about because of opportunities that come to adventurers. Look at any anime that has something like an adventuring guild. There are notices posted that adventurers choose to pursue. Or adventurers utilize the services of information gathering organizations. You're describing more of a wanderer. For an adventurer, one of their most important resources is connections.

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I mean.. Azem was an adventurer who yearned to discover the world, right?

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Originally Posted by PredatoryCatgirl

Golbez becomes a bodybuilder on Eorzea, changes name to Swolbez.

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His character art/sprite in The After Years is actually a swole long haired blonde dude dressed like a hobo with a rag as a cape.

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Originally Posted by ChrysOCE

The WoL (ie me, all of you are supporting characters) is a combat junkie, for sure. But, after Endwalker, I want to think on what Emet said and go see what is happening in the world. I don't want someone to come and pick me to help them in their issue. I don't want to follow the Scions, or have them tag along. After 4 expansions, I want Dawntrail to be me deciding to leave Eorzea and be an adventurer again.

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Well, I think it's a mistake to think WoL is you. In fact, unless you're playing a Pen&Paper game, I don't think it's possible for a character to be ... you. Of the 35 years or so of gaming, I think I can recognize only 1 game that you can say the MC is you ... and that's Kenshi. And the cost of that freedom? The game has zero story, and you have to make it up as you go.


The WoL had made many choices that I wouldn't personally choose, but I don't have an issue with it. The reason is the narrative has developed a fairly consistent background for the WoL to explain their behavior.

- They are a thrill seeker on par with Zenos.
- They have an insatiable adventure lust typical of an Azem.
- And just like the rest of the SCion, the WoL is a hopelessly good person.

On top of that the WoL's temperance also seem to be of a nosy butterfly, so I don't think you'll get your wish.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

Well, I think it's a mistake to think WoL is you. In fact, unless you're playing a Pen&Paper game, I don't think it's possible for a character to be ... you. Of the 35 years or so of gaming, I think I can recognize only 1 game that you can say the MC is you ... and that's Kenshi. And the cost of that freedom? The game has zero story, and you have to make it up as you go.


The WoL had made many choices that I wouldn't personally choose, but I don't have an issue with it. The reason is the narrative has developed a fairly consistent background for the WoL to explain their behavior.

- They are a thrill seeker on par with Zenos.
- They have an insatiable adventure lust typical of an Azem.
- And just like the rest of the SCion, the WoL is a hopelessly good person.

On top of that the WoL's temperance also seem to be of a nosy butterfly, so I don't think you'll get your wish.

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Well, yes, I don't actually think I am the WoL. Though, clearly, my WoL is the true WoL....

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Originally Posted by ChrysOCE

I mean.. Azem was an adventurer who yearned to discover the world, right?

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Uh ... yes? But I don't think that make it mutual exclusive to their connection to the people. Venat in an Azem, and this was her speech:

"Land that stretch forever. Skies one could drown in. The heart beat of natural, silence yet strong.
And amidst it all a people. Beacon of light and line. Laughter that warmed my heart like naught else before.
They are my meaning and my purpose. My love."


So yeah, it's pretty safe to say for Azem, their connection to the "people" would rank 1st with everything else a pretty distance second. Also don't forget, the capstone of Azem power is the ability to summon ... not beast, not gods or element, but other "people" to their aid, which symbolize the strength of their connection.