This game is on a terrible state right now.

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Based response. Marry me.

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I love weddings! Am I invited?

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Okay then, so what do you want on 6.4 and 6.5? I am curious about this.

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Doesn't really matter what I want, we already know what we're getting.

The best we can hope for is meaningful updates to the barebones systems they added already. Don't make the same mistakes with Criterion and Variant, make them more replayable, make the savage meaningful, but lower the normal to extreme level as this game desperately needs more mid level content.

Make the remaining updates to Island Sanctuary more than +2 Levels, random materials, new mount. Outdoor Furniture is a good start but we need more to it than just that.

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As long as it keeps the endgame players happy right?

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Not even average players seem to be happy though, if Crystal's PF is anything to go by, the content drought has been really rough and the only things that are remotely alive is night club venues. Midcore and average player content is minimal too, but hey, anything to drag on endgame players right?

The only one who would be happy is like, what, the 10 players still going through ARR-SHB with 9 years of content? The surge of new players from EW have either completed the content at this point, or quit the game lol.

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Originally Posted by Padudu

Not even average players seem to be happy though, if Crystal's PF is anything to go by, the content drought has been really rough and the only things that are remotely alive is night club venues. Midcore and average player content is minimal too, but hey, anything to drag on endgame players right?

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People are coming from other data centers to raid on Aether. I see it a lot. When Aether supply dries up suddenly I get a bunch of people from Crystal and Primal in my PF. That's why Crystal's PF is like that.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

People are coming from other data centers to raid on Aether. I see it a lot. When Aether supply dries up suddenly I get a bunch of people from Crystal and Primal in my PF. That's why Crystal's PF is like that.

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I think it's kinda telling in its own way that an entire data center's PF can be dead because they all jumped ship to one server lol. I don't really think it changes what I said because even when DC travel just opened, Crystal's PF wasn't in *that* bad of a shape.

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I think it's kinda telling in its own way that an entire data center's PF can be dead because they all jumped ship to one server lol. I don't really think it changes what I said because even when DC travel just opened, Crystal's PF wasn't in *that* bad of a shape.

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This happened in 3.0, everyone transferred to Gilgamesh to raid. The raid scene on Balmung was healthy prior to that, basically dwindled after.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

This happened in 3.0, everyone transferred to Gilgamesh to raid. The raid scene on Balmung was healthy prior to that, basically dwindled after.

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The raid scene in Crystal wasn't the best sure, but it was still there. Now even the unsync trial farms are minimal at best, I'm talking about DC travel specifically.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

I love weddings! Am I invited?

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Hah. If there was one, you'd definitely be on the attendance list bro.

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Originally Posted by Padudu

The raid scene in Crystal wasn't the best sure, but it was still there. Now even the unsync trial farms are minimal at best, I'm talking about DC travel specifically.

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Yes, and this was pre crossword pf. My point is, people will move to where the perceived "best" is. It's why crystal is where the rpers tend to gather, and Gilgamesh is directly responsible for the perception that aether is the raiding DC.



Cross-world killed server communities, and cross datacenter kills any reason to stay on your own outside of housing and free companies.

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Yes, and this was pre crossword pf. My point is, people will move to where the perceived "best" is. It's why crystal is where the rpers tend to gather, and Gilgamesh is directly responsible for the perception that aether is the raiding DC.



Cross-world killed server communities, and cross datacenter kills any reason to stay on your own outside of housing and free companies.

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Ah yeah, okay yeah I can get what you're putting down.

I think for me, I think the problem lies with this--if it was truly a lot of people playing the game as they say, I don't think the impact of DC travel would hit as hard as it does, IMO. Sure, there would be a noticeable hit, but not as bad as peak time on a Friday night, PF has maybe ~50-70 parties total, compared to how it was sitting at 110-120+ before DC travel. Like I said, I realize the raiding scene wasn't exactly popping on Crystal, but it wasn't like wringing a towel for its water. Seeing the decline of Crystal's PF just makes me wonder why people look at Dynamis with "it's totally alive, look!! just give it a chance!" when DC travel has totally put a thumb on a hole of ANY chance for it to you know.. start thriving.

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I don't know if you were being serious or sarcastic but honestly? The answer is right here in your post BluexBird. I don't understand why more people dont get that. Many MMORPG's today and MOST MMORPG's in the 2000's (and all of them before WoW) were sand box MMO's. The developers rarely did more than create a world, and give us characters to play with. The rest was up to players. And it was wonderful.

Final Fantasy XIV is IMO the best of both worlds. We have years of spoon fed story and side quests and currencies to farm if we choose. And the venues and emotes and clothes in the game are set up perfectly to encourage player generated content too.

Other players ARE content.

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You've kind of touched on a point that I feel is the core difference between XIV and other older MMOs. the older MMOs, like Everquest, created a world for you to play a role in. XIV creates a story for you to play a role in.

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This expansion has been really lackluster in terms of patches, there is literally nothing to do, and most of the stuff added is a joke.

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I assume it has a lot to do with FF16. Though that is an assumption.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Indeed, I enjoyed very much so talking to people in Eureka and Bozja. Which this expansion is lacking. Thank you for pointing that out.

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The days of organising Eureka NM trains, the social aspected combat experience in the game, a thing of the past now :(

People would rather get more solo content that forces non-interaction with other players than play a real MMO.

We really are turning into an IMVU simulator.

Of course the Endwalker defenders made an appearance here, the yes men who allowed and cheered on this game's decline will have nobody to blame but themselves for where it ends up in the future. All that is left is for Hiroi to do something out of left field with the ending to Pandaemonium like making Themis Venat's son for me to purge everything FFXIV-related from my computer.

They threw the story away.

They threw the content away.

And we're made out to be bad guys for speaking out against this state of affairs.

Enough's enough. We tried and failed to save a sinking ship, but with the current captain intent on burning every bridge he's built over the past 10 years my trust in this game's future is in the deep negatives until proven otherwise. Hope the burgers and dancing rodents were worth it.

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Ah yeah, okay yeah I can get what you're putting down.

I think for me, I think the problem lies with this--if it was truly a lot of people playing the game as they say, I don't think the impact of DC travel would hit as hard as it does, IMO. Sure, there would be a noticeable hit, but not as bad as peak time on a Friday night, PF has maybe ~50-70 parties total, compared to how it was sitting at 110-120+ before DC travel. Like I said, I realize the raiding scene wasn't exactly popping on Crystal, but it wasn't like wringing a towel for its water. Seeing the decline of Crystal's PF just makes me wonder why people look at Dynamis with "it's totally alive, look!! just give it a chance!" when DC travel has totally put a thumb on a hole of ANY chance for it to you know.. start thriving.

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The issue with DC travel was letting people have too much freedom. Things like MB access, duty finder and treasure hunts/hunt trains should be locked if you are not on your home datacenter. The other option to locking these activities is giving you downsides to doing them outside of your home world, like Dungeons giving -50% experience to incentivize doing these activities on your own DC.

DC travel should only allow grouping for Raids, Extreme trials and Roleplaying.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Of course the Endwalker defenders made an appearance here, the yes men who allowed and cheered on this game's decline will have nobody to blame but themselves for where it ends up in the future. All that is left is for Hiroi to do something out of left field with the ending to Pandaemonium like making Themis Venat's son for me to purge everything FFXIV-related from my computer.

They threw the story away.

They threw the content away.

And we're made out to be bad guys for speaking out against this state of affairs.

Enough's enough. We tried and failed to save a sinking ship, but with the current captain intent on burning every bridge he's built over the past 10 years my trust in this game's future is in the deep negatives until proven otherwise. Hope the burgers and dancing rodents were worth it.

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Talk about a savior complex. Of course everything you like and want in a game is the only way for it to be good and people liking anything else is just them accepting mediocrity or poor quality. You must have the finest taste and the best ideas, if only they would listen to you and follow your direction solely without hesitation, then I am sure the game would soar to unheard of heights passing all other titans of industry.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Of course the Endwalker defenders made an appearance here, the yes men who allowed and cheered on this game's decline will have nobody to blame but themselves for where it ends up in the future. All that is left is for Hiroi to do something out of left field with the ending to Pandaemonium like making Themis Venat's son for me to purge everything FFXIV-related from my computer.

They threw the story away.

They threw the content away.

And we're made out to be bad guys for speaking out against this state of affairs.

Enough's enough. We tried and failed to save a sinking ship, but with the current captain intent on burning every bridge he's built over the past 10 years my trust in this game's future is in the deep negatives until proven otherwise. Hope the burgers and dancing rodents were worth it.

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https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.6e7c4138...pid=ImgRaw&r=0

Stinkmeaner is at again. Dude if you dont like this game, why do you even play it for. You can go to do some Genshin or play WoW.

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Genshin

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no no no no.
Don't point him that way.

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Talk about a savior complex. Of course everything you like and want in a game is the only way for it to be good and people liking anything else is just them accepting mediocrity or poor quality. You must have the finest taste and the best ideas, if only they would listen to you and follow your direction solely without hesitation, then I am sure the game would soar to unheard of heights passing all other titans of industry.

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The thing is that he is right on certain points.

The game is becoming very stale.
If you voice your opinion, you are immediately swamped by the casual playerbase screaming at you to go play WoW or other MMO's.

The average players are scared that any change to the game might force them to actually have to get off their ass and put some effort into playing the game, like you used to have to.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Maybe just maybe if they had listened to those of us who rang the alarm bells back when they announced 4 month delays between patches, pointed out that beast tribes being delayed to .5 patches was unusual, that this relic grind is a joke not to mention the content its attached to, the story in the base game and in the patches is objectively the most controversial one seeing as how we've never had 800 page threads criticizing the story before, dead on arrival Criterion dungeons, the fact that we lost exploratory zones to island sanctuary...

...we'd have a decent expansion instead of one that has caused this much disappointment across all sectors of the playerbase.

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I was one those people and trust me when i say it didnt matter...white knight brigade flamed us all to hell

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The thing is that he is right on certain points.

The game is becoming very stale.
If you voice your opinion, you are immediately swamped by the casual playerbase screaming at you to go play WoW or other MMO's.

The average players are scared that any change to the game might force them to actually have to get off their ass and put some effort into playing the game, like you used to have to.

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I will agree that the gearing system is just plain tired at this point, and a new way of obtaining or improving gear is desperately needed. I do no think that all aspects of the game need to cater to my wants and I do no think that the game is a complete failure for not aligning with all of my interests. I also remember XIV still being called baby's first MMO back in ARR or HW, it never had the reputation for being incredibly complex. I also don't remember jobs being wildly intense or cerebral, they all still had a strict rotation you followed and bosses had a script they followed.

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

The thing is that he is right on certain points.

The game is becoming very stale.
If you voice your opinion, you are immediately swamped by the casual playerbase screaming at you to go play WoW or other MMO's.

The average players are scared that any change to the game might force them to actually have to get off their ass and put some effort into playing the game, like you used to have to.

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This this this

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

Talk about a savior complex. Of course everything you like and want in a game is the only way for it to be good and people liking anything else is just them accepting mediocrity or poor quality. You must have the finest taste and the best ideas, if only they would listen to you and follow your direction solely without hesitation, then I am sure the game would soar to unheard of heights passing all other titans of industry.

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Yes.

If people actually listened to those of us that were like woah, 4 month patch cycles are absolutely not ok, relic steps and zones should follow the pacing of Stormblood back when this game's content rollout was indisputably at its peak, and lets not do insane things to the story like destroying most of the universe and blowing the budget on food animations then yeah you'd take out a huge chunk of the criticisms levied at Endwalker.

I have spelled out word for word what they needed to do to fix this game's problems and all they've done is double down. While sectors of the playerbase lash out at me for criticizing their perfect game. So be it.

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no no no no.
Don't point him that way.

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I could point him to Fate/Grand Order since he will have spend so much that he doesn't have enough for month here

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Yes.

If people actually listened to those of us that were like woah, 4 month patch cycles are absolutely not ok, relic steps and zones should follow the pacing of Stormblood back when this game's content rollout was indisputably at its peak, and lets not do insane things to the story like destroying most of the universe and blowing the budget on food animations then yeah you'd take out a huge chunk of the criticisms levied at Endwalker.

I have spelled out word for word what they needed to do to fix this game's problems and all they've done is double down. While sectors of the playerbase lash out at me for criticizing their perfect game. So be it.

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You know with new game + you can replay StB over and over again, which it appears is all you want to do.

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You know with new game + you can replay StB over and over again, which it appears is all you want to do.

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Do you see why I don't normally take the time to respond to takes like this? By all means please continue misrepresenting me, but these sort of gotcha takes do nothing to help the game.

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

Well then please tell us, what exactly do you want, give us the details on how to save this game.

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Already have across the 2,043 posts I've made on this forum. Go read them.

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Do you see why I don't normally take the time to respond to takes like this? By all means please continue misrepresenting me, but these sort of gotcha takes do nothing to help the game.

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Well then please tell us, what exactly do you want, give us the details on how to save this game.

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Originally Posted by Namuh

This expansion has been really lackluster in terms of patches, there is literally nothing to do, and most of the stuff added is a joke.

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Nope, wrong answer. Still the best MMO, still better than WoW, go play other games, etc. Also...

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https://files.catbox.moe/hp9237.jpg

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Yes.

If people actually listened to those of us that were like woah, 4 month patch cycles are absolutely not ok, relic steps and zones should follow the pacing of Stormblood back when this game's content rollout was indisputably at its peak, and lets not do insane things to the story like destroying most of the universe and blowing the budget on food animations then yeah you'd take out a huge chunk of the criticisms levied at Endwalker.

I have spelled out word for word what they needed to do to fix this game's problems and all they've done is double down. While sectors of the playerbase lash out at me for criticizing their perfect game. So be it.

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why do you always word these as if you're actually part of the dev team? Why would they care about you?

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Yes.

If people actually listened to those of us that were like woah, 4 month patch cycles are absolutely not ok, relic steps and zones should follow the pacing of Stormblood back when this game's content rollout was indisputably at its peak, and lets not do insane things to the story like destroying most of the universe and blowing the budget on food animations then yeah you'd take out a huge chunk of the criticisms levied at Endwalker.

I have spelled out word for word what they needed to do to fix this game's problems and all they've done is double down. While sectors of the playerbase lash out at me for criticizing their perfect game. So be it.

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I mean, you do act a Lil like a twat so I don't really blame them. We have 4 month patches so the devs arent so stressed and can have more vacation time, which im all for.

When they did eureka people complained so they made bozja more accessible and ppl complained so they retired it for a expac.

If you truly believe that they blew the budget on food animations you need help, full stop, cuz that's peak dumb mentality. Also the universe isn't destroyed as 1, meteion released the souls back revitalizing it and 2, pupu proves there's still stars that have life.

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I mean, you do act a Lil like a twat so I don't really blame them. We have 4 month patches so the devs arent so stressed and can have more vacation time, which im all for.

When they did eureka people complained so they made bozja more accessible and ppl complained so they retired it for a expac.

If you truly believe that they blew the budget on food animations you need help, full stop, cuz that's peak dumb mentality. Also the universe isn't destroyed as 1, meteion released the souls back revitalizing it and 2, pupu proves there's still stars that have life.

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I'll die on the hill.

Bozja was just a dumbed down version of Eureka, with less to do and minimal reasons to actually do it outside of the relic.

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Oh no, I did not sugarcoat my feedback. At this point I think being direct as possible is the best way forward. Because look at where being nice got us.

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Oh no, I did not sugarcoat my feedback. At this point I think being direct as possible is the best way forward. Because look at where being nice got us.

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What's with your signature's URL?

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Do you see why I don't normally take the time to respond to takes like this? By all means please continue misrepresenting me, but these sort of gotcha takes do nothing to help the game.



Already have across the 2,043 posts I've made on this forum. Go read them.

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I have seen a lot of complaints from you, but no what I want is you to design a patch roll out. Give us everything you would put into a content patch.

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This expansion has been really lackluster in terms of patches, there is literally nothing to do, and most of the stuff added is a joke.

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That's funny, I just completed the last Variant path a week or two ago, haven't even touched Criterion or IS yet, and that's just from this expansion. Still going for my last ARR relic weapon (NIN), Sightseeing Logs for multiple expansions, leveling crafters and gatherers...methinks you need to learn the meaning of the word "literally," because your use of it conflicts entirely with reality.

Also, the very nature of an MMO is that the developers provide the tools, and the community makes use of them to create the full experience. It sounds more like you're looking for a true single-player game. Me? I'm very much enjoying EW and its patches, and I find most of the stuff added to be fun.

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I have seen a lot of complaints from you, but no what I want is you to design a patch roll out. Give us everything you would put into a content patch.

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Ok let's have a hypothetical X.Y and X.Y5 patch.

X.Y releases with the following:

MSQ
Raid
Extreme Trial
Beast Tribe
PVP rewards
Unique armorsets for Dungeon and Crafted gear instead of them being recycled
Treasure Maps

X.Y5 releases with the following:

Restoration Step for Crafters and Gatherers
Relic Step w/Zone or raid akin to Delubrum Reginae that isn't just a tome grind (1st zone released no later than the .25 patch)
Release of/Addition to rewards for Deep Dungeon

I will not be taking the time to simplify things to this degree for you again.

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That's funny, I just completed the last Variant path a week or two ago, haven't even touched Criterion or IS yet, and that's just from this expansion. Still going for my last ARR relic weapon (NIN), Sightseeing Logs for multiple expansions, leveling crafters and gatherers...methinks you need to learn the meaning of the word "literally," because your use of it conflicts entirely with reality.

Also, the very nature of an MMO is that the developers provide the tools, and the community makes use of them to create the full experience. It sounds more like you're looking for a true single-player game. Me? I'm very much enjoying EW and its patches, and I find most of the stuff added to be fun.

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Tldr: “I play like an absolute snail,barely doing anything, at the slowest pace possible, look guys there’s so much content !”

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Ok let's have a hypothetical X.Y and X.Y5 patch.

X.Y releases with the following:

MSQ
Raid
Extreme Trial
Beast Tribe
PVP rewards
Unique armorsets for Dungeon and Crafted gear instead of them being recycled
Treasure Maps

X.Y5 releases with the following:

Restoration Step for Crafters and Gatherers
Relic Step w/Zone or raid akin to Delubrum Reginae that isn't just a tome grind (1st zone released no later than the .25 patch)
Release of/Addition to rewards for Deep Dungeon

I will not be taking the time to simplify things to this degree for you again.

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So you want to add 5 new beast tribes every expansion then as well as 5 new treasure maps, as well as 5 new zones or raids tied to relics, but no alliance riads? I also don't see any savage raids on this list, I am assuming the MSQ part includes a new dungeon, but no new side dungeons or anything then either. I guess also no new crafting recipes other than those related restoration steps.

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So you want to add 5 new beast tribes every expansion then as well as 5 new treasure maps?

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If any and all attempts of me trying to meet you half-way are going to go this way then I am afraid we will just have to leave it at that.

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If any and all attempts of me trying to meet you half-way are going to go this way then I am afraid we will just have to leave it at that.

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I'm sorry I thought you wanted feed back on this, if all attempts at discussion are going to go this way then this interaction will be over. Look I can dismiss you too.