Give me your most unhinged Job take that you still genuinely believe in.

I would be very happy if they removed like two of the buff skills DRG has. It doesn't even make sense for the job aesthetic and fantasy to spend your time buffing yourself so much, like what am I, a mystic knight? Please.

Blue Mage is fine as a Limited Job.

They should allow it to reach the current max level, but keep the restriction that they need to enter things in a pre-made group, also disable loot in trials and raids if there's a BLU in the party to stop people from using them to farm current content.

2.0 bard abilitys were way better than current.

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Originally Posted by VentVanitas

You want unhinged? I'll give you unhinged.
- SAM should have been a tank.

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OH MY GOD CALM DOWN......but yeah Im still a little mad that they kinda made Samurai look like a Tank in the Benchmark.
Just for it to be a DPS.
At the end of the day...whatever. But that setup was a bad way to show it off.

There is absolutely NO REASON WHY BIOBLASTER IS NOT A GAIN ON TWO TARGETS ANYMORE WHEN IT USED TO BE. It was a nice little niche usage sometimes, but now there is actually no upside rather than just using drill and critting and it being better. They even buffed every single multi-tool too aside from bioblaster and autocrossbow. SE clearly hate aoe and you can see it in the changes to make dancers two target potency gains more complicated than shb. Also bring back media tour bard.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

OH MY GOD CALM DOWN......but yeah Im still a little mad that they kinda made Samurai look like a Tank in the Benchmark.
Just for it to be a DPS.
At the end of the day...whatever. But that setup was a bad way to show it off.

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make SAM switch role with DRK

All jobs should have less abilties.. and abilities should have bigger impact and depths to them..
Having 2+ abilities that roughly do the same with different cd timers is pointless..

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

--Paladin is the only Real Tank in the Game.
All of the other ""TANKS"" Are just Glorified DPS.

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All tanks are glorified dps and it's been this way since the enmity changes in 5.0.

Tanking used to have some skill to it and gear used to matter. Now it's "are you hitting the thing? you are tanking good job"

FFXIV should not introduce any new jobs again ever.
Instead they should rework the entire job system and create vastly different playstyles within each role.
Insane, I know.

This game peaked 6 years ago and has only gone downhill since.

-Manderville relic grind is the best way of getting relics made due to it making all classes equal is farming the tomes.

-Any healers that complain about not having enough damage skills just need to switch to dps, healers are fine how they are

-Bard is a failed class and just having it be a regular sniper type of job would be better

-Ninja and Rogue should be completely separate.

-Monk is a failed class with how many buttons it has, make pvp monk the new Pve monk.

-Dark knight should have just been a different 2H sword wielder that has a buster sword and regular sword attack skills. None of that darkness nonsense

-Dragoon has what it takes to be one of the best classes easily if it has less buttons (take away some buff skills or combine the jumps into one)

-All healers should have a skill that spreads their dot to enemies near target. The fact this hasn't happened yet always makes me question

-Blue mage should just be allowed to get to level cap, just add the skills later.

-Summoner is near peak class design but with some wasted potential with how many summons that exist.

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Originally Posted by Raim

Black Mage gameplay peaked at 50.

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This! It changed to a completely different job after that. I found the proc reliant gameplay black mage had at 50 much more fun. Dragoon was also more fun in ARR, now it just feels way too busy for me.

Reaper felt better to play before 86, the lemure skills just make it feel way clunkier if you have any latency.

Shadowbringers summoner was way better than what we have now, not sure if I can say Shadowbringers summoner was better than HW summoner but they were both great.

Machinist was fun in Stormblood, now it's just unplayable if you have latency, even with the recent changes to hypercharge it still feels clunky.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Current Summoner is the closest it's ever felt to actually being a summoner, rather than a DoT mage with pets.

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I don't think anyone is going to argue that. The problem with it now is that it feels braindead to play, it has like the least skills out of any job and there's no complexity to the job whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by Nizzi

Tanks have way too many DPS skills and need to lose a lot of them

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The tanking role has been culled enough, the absolute last thing we need is to be borderline how healers are right now

Enmity management should come back but as a tank-role specific mechanic.

Stance dancing is fun and there's probably more ways for it to be implemented than how it was before.

Dark Knight unquestionably is one of the worst 'designed' jobs in the game currently

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Originally Posted by Puc

-Any healers that complain about not having enough damage skills just need to switch to dps, healers are fine how they are

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News flash: They have. That's why healers are non existent in EX/ Savage / Ultimate and groups are begging for them.

Ninja needs a Susan'o and Kurama summon and skills/abilities. This job is already shoulder deep into Naruto stuff, so why not go even further! :3

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Originally Posted by Puc

-Any healers that complain about not having enough damage skills just need to switch to dps, healers are fine how they are

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I see this take a lot, but I disagree Healers are required to use DPS skills theirs not a lot of outgoing damage.

>If healers actually had to make a choice between Healing GCD's or DPS GCD's this point would be alot better, but healers being able to practically manage all healing through OGCD's really hurts healer design for me.

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Originally Posted by Soge01

Ninja needs a Susan'o and Kurama summon and skills/abilities. This job is already shoulder deep into Naruto stuff, so why not go even further! :3

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unironically would be pretty sick if hellfrog medium got an evolution where it summons a giant lava-style rasenshuriken

monk peaked in 5.3

endwalker job design is worse than ARR

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Originally Posted by seolhyun

endwalker job design is worse than ARR

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ARR job design was pretty great for the most part, warrior was bad at first, paladin was way too basic and lacked aoe but other than that I can't really think of any major flaws. Well summoner was also very basic before HW.

Sage and Reaper are the new standard for future jobs in expansions. They are so fun to play.

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Originally Posted by Elucesta

Sage and Reaper are the new standard for future jobs in expansions. They are so fun to play.

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Saying RPR and SGE are fun is pretty unhinged, I agree

There is nothing objectively wrong with current job design.

Quick Knock/Spread Shot should've been cut instead of Wide Volley/Grenado Shot

Swiftsong was better than Peloton

What was the point of getting rid of TP if we just replaced it with a more convoluted gauge on every single job that basically does the exact same thing? You could've just had the TP gauge start at 0 and have our abilities build it up just like we do now.....

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Originally Posted by Iyrnthota

There is nothing objectively wrong with current job design.

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I believe TC asked for unhinged, not untrue.

Bow mage was completely fine, hell I thought it was great fun to play. Most people who hated it just didn't like that they couldn't run around in circles thoughtlessly anymore, because otherwise, it played the same as ARR Bard but with new bells and whistles.

TP was completely fine, it was just a resource to manage, like any other and I like resource management.

Summoner was more fun when it felt less like a Summoner.

I miss Blank Shot. It was great for those caster mobs that were just far enough away from the rest of the pack to prevent getting everything in AoE range. Just pop 'em in and go to town.

Physical Ranged DPS should have "cast bars" like Mages except that the only way to speed their's up is to get closer to the target. :P

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

Physical Ranged DPS should have "cast bars" like Mages except that the only way to speed their's up is to get closer to the target. :P

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They had cast times on BRD and MCH in HW. Everyone hated it.

I miss Protect and Stoneskin crossclassing with PLD (hence I love Divine Veil's change to also work on the PLD casting it finally).

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Originally Posted by Kansene

FFXIV should not introduce any new jobs again ever.
Instead they should rework the entire job system and create vastly different playstyles within each role.
Insane, I know.

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We have enough Jobs.
What we need now is Balance.
Some real fresh tweeks and reworks to freshen and truely diversify gameplay would be amazing

Kind of unhinged take for all classes and FFXIV hardcore scene in general:

Stop treating this game like a career platform.
Your perfect execution of tight rotations, body checks and boss dance routines does not belong on a work resume.
XIVCombo forks that reduce rotations to one button is healthier to gaming that whatever prestige and esports nonsense you want to inject.
Grow the fuck up.

Striving for balance and equal performance only makes the game more inaccessible to the lowest performing demographic.

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Originally Posted by Dzonathan

XIVCombo forks that reduce rotations to one button is healthier to gaming that whatever prestige and esports nonsense you want to inject.

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ooooh! spooky 6 button combo that cant be condensed with plugins!

https://i.gyazo.com/0dde4d4f45eb2a3c...fb3cb0d3ca.png

BOO!!!

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Originally Posted by Dzonathan

XIVCombo forks that reduce rotations to one button is healthier to gaming that whatever prestige and esports nonsense you want to inject.

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XIVCombo users on their way to reduce as much gameplay from the game as possible and unironically believe that it's healthy for playing a video game

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Originally Posted by VentVanitas

ooooh! spooky 6 button combo that cant be condensed with plugins!

https://i.gyazo.com/0dde4d4f45eb2a3c...fb3cb0d3ca.png

BOO!!!

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Disparaging me doesn't make your point look better.

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Originally Posted by Zairava

XIVCombo users on their way to reduce as much gameplay from the game as possible and unironically believe that it's healthy for playing a video game

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Your definition of play is not universal nor hard enforced.

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Originally Posted by Dzonathan

Disparaging me doesn't make your point look better.



Your definition of play is not universal nor hard enforced.

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Then leave the people who actually like coherent and enjoyable job design alone and go enjoy your one button rotation?