Ranked is mega unpopular even though it offers the same rewards as Unranked

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

I never intended to disprove it, I merely gave insight that reliance on incentive is something realistically every single activity in this game has in common to facilitate longterm play.

The fun argument obviously matters, but it is more delicate in CC. Regardless whether you play casual or ranked, you play the exact same game, the sole difference being:

- framer kits you likely just go and obtain once
- surplus Trophy Crystals hardly anyone cares for
- a more restricted queue attempting to build balanced matches

All in all, this means Ranked introduces stress points Casual doesnt have, in Ranks and rating. There is also the queue restrictions based on your Rank, which ups queue times to build matches.

Since there is frankly no simple incentive to play Ranked over Casual other than trying to play with the top end of PvPers for your own fun, it creates exactly what you describe:

Casual flourishes, Ranked dies.

Something simple like a ranked-only currency youd get from playing per match win and a bigger amount at season's end based on your skill tier would be a good start to set it apart from Casual. Like many games with Ranked/Competitive modes.

Naturally it should come with items of interest, which I am sure anyone has their belief on what that would be and something I won't judge anymore for their choice.

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ah well, you gaslighting earlier aside. im glad you and i are on the same page relatively speaking :)

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

ah well, you gaslighting earlier aside. im glad you and i are on the same page relatively speaking :)

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Ill admit my word choice is a bit unclear at times, forgive me for that.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

Ill admit my word choice is a bit unclear at times, forgive me for that.

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im not worried about it dude, honestly imma just remove you from my ignore list since i noticed you're not THAT much of a gremlin compared to others and most of the time you are genuinely insightful and nice to people.

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

im not worried about it dude, honestly imma just remove you from my ignore list since i noticed you're not THAT much of a gremlin compared to others and most of the time you are genuinely insightful and nice to people.

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You do you, but Im just reminding you that I have strong stances on certain topics that you may heavily disagree with, as you sure know in the other thread.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

You do you, but Im just reminding you that I have strong stances on certain topics that you may heavily disagree with, as you sure know in the other thread.

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and thats FINE you can disagree with people and not be a goblin about it, im sure the people reading this post can already think of two people :)

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

and thats FINE you can disagree with people and not be a goblin about it, im sure the people reading this post can already think of two people :)

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You wanna be the pot or the kettle?

lol i love how he outs himself just by responding lol
didn't even say your name bro, good job.

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Originally Posted by Emitans

Wait for unranked: less than 60 sconds
Wait for ranked: 25 minutes

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I was getting 10 min waits when I finally hit diamond (for the first time). However, after 3 straight hours of being bullied by top 100 players I was pushed back down to platinum where I have yet to get another game since. Already going on a 3 hour wait the next day in.

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

im not worried about it dude, honestly imma just remove you from my ignore list since i noticed you're not THAT much of a gremlin compared to others and most of the time you are genuinely insightful and nice to people.

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So, marriage happening soon?

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Originally Posted by Meowdyj

So, marriage happening soon?

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Nah, just having a bro moment.

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Originally Posted by Mistress_Irika

I was getting 10 min waits when I finally hit diamond (for the first time). However, after 3 straight hours of being bullied by top 100 players I was pushed back down to platinum where I have yet to get another game since. Already going on a 3 hour wait the next day in.

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I mean, going to go by what the peeps in the forum said months ago…..not word-for-word. Ppl below crystal don’t belong there. It hurts that mode for those who deserves to be there. It’s whatever…

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Originally Posted by Osmond

I mean, going to go by what the peeps in the forum said months ago…..not word-for-word. Ppl below crystal don’t belong there. It hurts that mode for those who deserves to be there. It’s whatever…

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another reason why i despise those people and i don't think they should get anything outside their framer kits and maybe a furniture item

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Originally Posted by Osmond

I mean, going to go by what the peeps in the forum said months ago…..not word-for-word. Ppl below crystal don’t belong there. It hurts that mode for those who deserves to be there. It’s whatever…

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Honestly, that's fine. I'll accept that. Thing is that I didn't ask to be placed in a pure crystal room. Those were the cards that was dealt to me.

I'll see if I can get any other games for the rest of the season, but it already feels like feast all over again despite the role restrictions being gone. Could be me already mentally throwing in the towel since I'm somewhat used to sitting in 7 hour queues while watching the top players play.

What if some tempting rewards were offered for achieving lower ranks: bronze, silver, gold? Those who progress beyond those ranks would get their plates from platinum, diamond and crystal plus the rewards for getting through lower ranks but those who would just want to get the actual rewards (whatever people would like most, I guess mounts?) only need to play through lower tiers which would be comparable to casual and might encourage players to go further.

I am strongly against enhancing rewards for top tiers.

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Originally Posted by Bluish

What if some tempting rewards were offered for achieving lower ranks: bronze, silver, gold? Those who progress beyond those ranks would get their plates from platinum, diamond and crystal plus the rewards for getting through lower ranks but those who would just want to get the actual rewards (whatever people would like most, I guess mounts?) only need to play through lower tiers which would be comparable to casual and might encourage players to go further.

I am strongly against enhancing rewards for top tiers.

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to get people to actually put some small amounts of effort? ehhhh.... big maybe because i have a feeling that the top 100 are going to complain about that too and attempt to grief players trying to get into those ranks in some fashion, but it would also serve to get people back into the mode.

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

another reason why i despise those people and i don't think they should get anything outside their framer kits and maybe a furniture item

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You only dislike them because you were never good enough to reach crystal during the first 3 seasons when the queue was active.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

You only dislike them because you were never good enough to reach crystal during the first 3 seasons when the queue was active.

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how does one be good enough when gambling? lmfao get outta here telling people to get good in a luck based mode HAHAHAHAHAHHA

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

how does one be good enough when gambling? lmfao get outta here telling people to get good in a luck based mode HAHAHAHAHAHHA

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Ya its so much luck based that people consistently got the rank lmao. This is why I say you're not good at pvp.

im not even gonna read what you're saying dude, stay in your corner.
always giving people who actually care about pvp a bad name.

The rewards aren't good enough to justify dealing with RNG party members and a de-ranking system that isn't entirely based on skill and partially based on RNG.

When you can just queue casual and get the same experience.

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Originally Posted by Ryutamashiisan

The rewards aren't good enough to justify dealing with RNG party members and a de-ranking system that isn't entirely based on skill and partially based on RNG.

When you can just queue casual and get the same experience.

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exactly, therefore CC ranked dies yet the mode itself survives in casual form, maybe ranked pvp just... maybe should not be supported anymore? history keeps repeating itself.

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Originally Posted by Ryutamashiisan

The rewards aren't good enough to justify dealing with RNG party members and a de-ranking system that isn't entirely based on skill and partially based on RNG.

When you can just queue casual and get the same experience.

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You have to carry...this is literally how ranked works in every game with a team based ranked mode where there is a solo queue. If you're constantly losing, the common denominator is always you. There will be games that are a wash sometimes, but if you're good you can climb and carry your way to crsytal.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

You have to carry...this is literally how ranked works in every game with a team based ranked mode where there is a solo queue. If you're constantly losing, the common denominator is always you. There will be games that are a wash sometimes, but if you're good you can climb and carry your way to crsytal.

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Ignore this man, he got very lucky. I dueled him on his server with 300 ping and won 10 times in a row. (true)

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Originally Posted by Nikoto

Ignore this man, he got very lucky. I dueled him on his server with 300 ping and won 10 times in a row. (true)

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I wish this were true. No one ever duels me.

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

exactly, therefore CC ranked dies yet the mode itself survives in casual form, maybe ranked pvp just... maybe should not be supported anymore? history keeps repeating itself.

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...or we could stop going in circles with this discussion and simply start with basic requests like an actual Ranked currency you get from playing Ranked, not this meme that is Trophy Crystals which can be obtained in Casual play.

Details are up in the stars, but generally I recommend promotion of all skill tiers (Bronze to Crystal) by giving a greater bulk based on your skill tier at the end of the season and also additional currency for each match - however, only a fraction of it for losing (20-30% to ensure you still get something, but don't get to be efficient spamming losses).

Casual works because it is casual, an entry mode for anyone. Ranked needs incentive for being the version that isn't the path of least resistence aka Casual. Plain and simple.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

...or we could stop going in circles with this discussion and simply start with basic requests like an actual Ranked currency you get from playing Ranked, not this meme that is Trophy Crystals which can be obtained in Casual play.

Details are up in the stars, but generally I recommend promotion of all skill tiers (Bronze to Crystal) by giving a greater bulk based on your skill tier at the end of the season and also additional currency for each match - however, only a fraction of it for losing (20-30% to ensure you still get something, but don't get to be efficient spamming losses).

Casual works because it is casual, an entry mode for anyone. Ranked needs incentive for being the version that isn't the path of least resistence aka Casual. Plain and simple.

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talking in circles? dude thats me sticking to the thread topic lmfao
also your suggestion is just a slightly better version of the feast reward system lol wont help anything in the long run
then again i don't think anything is gonna save ranked at this point and your suggestion would still lead to history repeating.

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

talking in circles? dude thats me sticking to the thread topic lmfao
also your suggestion is just a slightly better version of the feast reward system lol wont help anything in the long run
then again i don't think anything is gonna save ranked at this point and your suggestion would still lead to history repeating.

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You claim it will lead to history of repeating, but what do you have to compare as a suggestion? You are all doom and gloom, say nothing will work yet nothing is ever done so how do you know?

The worst thing right now is there being no action done at all or advocating for removal (not what you did, but I'm mentioning this for others). Maybe I'm too idealistic for my own good, but I don't see it being in the grave yet, which is why I advocate for small but steady steps to improve PvP rather than "wham bam there it works and is perfect" solutions that don't exist.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

You claim it will lead to history of repeating, but what do you have to compare as a suggestion? You are all doom and gloom, say nothing will work yet nothing is ever done so how do you know?

The worst thing right now is there being no action done at all or advocating for removal (not what you did, but I'm mentioning this for others). Maybe I'm too idealistic for my own good, but I don't see it being in the grave yet, which is why I advocate for small but steady steps to improve PvP rather than "wham bam there it works and is perfect" solutions that don't exist.

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I know because this crap happened in feast, people stopped caring about it except a hand full of glam thirsty people. if you were not a certain rank at a certain point in the season you were not getting a group, rampant win trading.
Whats happening right now? people stopped caring, people can't que in ranked, people complaining about win trading and now people complaining about ranked basically being all but dead. history is literally repeating.

Because it's the opposite lol, and casual is way more fun than sweating and getting mad you lost stars in ranked. Also rewards suck and not worth the headache playing ranked.

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

I know because this crap happened in feast, people stopped caring about it except a hand full of glam thirsty people. if you were not a certain rank at a certain point in the season you were not getting a group, rampant win trading.
Whats happening right now? people stopped caring, people can't que in ranked, people complaining about win trading and now people complaining about ranked basically being all but dead. history is literally repeating.

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All I’m hearing from those who praised the kicking out of 98% of players from rank is massive cope. They got what they ask for. I’ve read that comment too. Just scratching my head, what the hell…. Have they learned nothing?

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Originally Posted by Osmond

All I’m hearing from those who praised the kicking out of 98% of players from rank is massive cope. They got what they ask for. I’ve read that comment too. Just scratching my head, what the hell…. Have they learned nothing?

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No they clearly haven't, history keeps repeating because of this.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

...or we could stop going in circles with this discussion and simply start with basic requests like an actual Ranked currency you get from playing Ranked, not this meme that is Trophy Crystals which can be obtained in Casual play.

Details are up in the stars, but generally I recommend promotion of all skill tiers (Bronze to Crystal) by giving a greater bulk based on your skill tier at the end of the season and also additional currency for each match - however, only a fraction of it for losing (20-30% to ensure you still get something, but don't get to be efficient spamming losses).

Casual works because it is casual, an entry mode for anyone. Ranked needs incentive for being the version that isn't the path of least resistence aka Casual. Plain and simple.

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Speaking to you for a moment before transitioning to general speaking midway...

Rank was just poorly done overall...since the very 1st season.

I like the idea of rank getting it's own currency. However, that has to have exclusive things separate from the battle pass that can be worked towards at any time since most isn't going to play rank every season, and we already know what most players think of exclusive things in general. So there's that.

As for the system itself...I'll still shake my head. Despite me being low level I've never liked the idea of climbing rank and not being able to get others demoted. My main problem with the current system is that I'm actually taking a harsher punishment for losing one too many games, that being not able to play any more rank games for the remainder of the season. The only difference between now and feast days is that I just happened to choose the wrong data center to climb in.

Still, things feels the same to me, top level being rewarded with more games, and lower levels getting their season time cut short. I thought it was suppose to be the other way around where the lower levels have more game time and the top levels having more wait time? Just saying. This here...I'll pass. Non-demotion should not exist on all levels in my opinion.

Now here's my question. If deranking was still nonexistent on all levels what would you tell those that was late climbing or couldn't climb up and ended up stuck in dead queue? If the answer is wait until next season to play rank you can throw that reasoning out the window and find another. Hearing that for most of the last expansion has left me with some lingering salt I still have yet to completely purge. That may be a legit reasoning, but that is literally the easiest reasoning to ignoring the problem at hand.

If ranked was lucrative enough for people to play, there wouldn't be the issue with current tiering and lack of games.

They should have just gone with Crystal score from first game and then issue the ranks at the end of season based on total score and have wins and losses have more modifiers that affect the amount gained and lost.

As for ranked based rewards, I'm all for it, though it should be preferably something you can also get later on if you can place high enough and grind enough ranked currency over time. But as we have seen lately, they are really skimping on rewards and overall structure for a lot of the game. Criterion died VERY fast because it had nothing worthwhile to go for and very little value in reclears for example.

There are few modes in this game that you can challenge other players and even they have mostly worthless rewards, Mahjong doesn't even have top 100, Triple Triad feels like meme, Verminion is clunky as hell etc.

It's a combination of issues caused by the game system they are using. This is very similar to ranked play in soul calibur IV, which almost always had worse quality players than the non-ranked casual matches since people would go up a ladder and eventually get matched either against people of the same skill, or just get floored over and over again. However, unlike Soul Calibur IV, this is a team based game and they also randomly shuffle people around in order to combat the crappy balancing between certain maps and jobs. From observation and participation of about 100+ games in CC, the base map (Forgot what it was called but it is the Sharlayan themed one) universally favors monk and some combination of ranged due to the fact the space is so open and as long as they can keep knocking people around or snaring, eventually they can cause a death chain. That's just ONE of the maps. The other map that has this issue is the Castle map with the golems, which universally favors melee combat since the enclosed spaces force the ranged dps into close quarters.

In an actual fight where people are running away like they are supposed to, ranged dps can universally annihilate melee just from burst damage alone as long as they have enough space to do it. Melee can universally annihilate anyone in an enclosed space since they can freely attack from anywhere, and can also use evasion moves to quickly get out of trouble.

A ton of people keep saying that there is a skill issue and maybe there is, but this system so heavily limits how much skill plays a part it should be a non-issue entirely. Once someone knows how to burst, it is all just a timing RNG game with ping hoping that your abilities are going off at the right points. Combine with random group shuffling and whether someone is on a winning streak or is on a losing streak, it has nothing to do with their own ability to fight in PvP after they've gotten acclimated.

Also, the number of times anyone who has been in the Wolfsden and has seen someone shout "FREAKING DONE WITH THIS CRAP!" should indicate just how much of a garbage fire this is, since people are just doing it for rewards and not for the game.

If you're dying to a ranged as a melee, you're probably doing something very wrong (either going after them with no resources left on your own, or just being demolished by overexposing yourself to their team). There is no way except very specific cases scenari (LBs) where a melee will lose to a ranged job.

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Originally Posted by Colt47

It's a combination of issues caused by the game system they are using. This is very similar to ranked play in soul calibur IV, which almost always had worse quality players than the non-ranked casual matches since people would go up a ladder and eventually get matched either against people of the same skill, or just get floored over and over again. However, unlike Soul Calibur IV, this is a team based game and they also randomly shuffle people around in order to combat the crappy balancing between certain maps and jobs. From observation and participation of about 100+ games in CC, the base map (Forgot what it was called but it is the Sharlayan themed one) universally favors monk and some combination of ranged due to the fact the space is so open and as long as they can keep knocking people around or snaring, eventually they can cause a death chain. That's just ONE of the maps. The other map that has this issue is the Castle map with the golems, which universally favors melee combat since the enclosed spaces force the ranged dps into close quarters.

In an actual fight where people are running away like they are supposed to, ranged dps can universally annihilate melee just from burst damage alone as long as they have enough space to do it. Melee can universally annihilate anyone in an enclosed space since they can freely attack from anywhere, and can also use evasion moves to quickly get out of trouble.

A ton of people keep saying that there is a skill issue and maybe there is, but this system so heavily limits how much skill plays a part it should be a non-issue entirely. Once someone knows how to burst, it is all just a timing RNG game with ping hoping that your abilities are going off at the right points. Combine with random group shuffling and whether someone is on a winning streak or is on a losing streak, it has nothing to do with their own ability to fight in PvP after they've gotten acclimated.

Also, the number of times anyone who has been in the Wolfsden and has seen someone shout "FREAKING DONE WITH THIS CRAP!" should indicate just how much of a garbage fire this is, since people are just doing it for rewards and not for the game.

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dude.... this post is so accurate it hurts.

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Originally Posted by Valence

If you're dying to a ranged as a melee, you're probably doing something very wrong (either going after them with no resources left on your own, or just being demolished by overexposing yourself to their team). There is no way except very specific cases scenari (LBs) where a melee will lose to a ranged job.

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Depends on the job, map etc... Its pretty easy as a brd to kite a melee unless I get pounced by the entire team. 1v1 though? You'll likely never kill me and I'll just widdle you down as I kite.

Playing Season 1&2, given up Season 3 and beyond. At first I thought it was a skill issue, getting to crystal. Quickly I realized that it was just RNG. Map location was another. Always hated Volcanic Heart since I main SCH. Palaistra is too open so yeah, it’s melee’s heaven. Cloud Nine…..ehh. Other issue is the lack of communication. Garbage auto chat when dealing with randoms so you’re praying you win. The other reason I was done with rank is the nerf of SCH, claiming that it’s the win rate is the cause. I knew it was BS cause ppl barely play SCH. Had to go by the dev’s word and it gotten weaker. Then pretty much buffed AST to where it’s tools turns into a better SCH so I was officially done with rank matches.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Depends on the job, map etc... Its pretty easy as a brd to kite a melee unless I get pounced by the entire team. 1v1 though? You'll likely never kill me and I'll just widdle you down as I kite.

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How u do it?

You know what casuals want from CC? To be done with Series quickly.
If you want casuals to be back into ranked, slash Casual CC Series Exp to half, and make that each tier of Ranked gives more exp as you climb.