Building a Better Gaming Community: The Advantages of a Console-Only Final Fantasy XI

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

Man, ChatGPT is working overtime for forum trolls.

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This person gets it, please people stop engaging with these chatbot posts…

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Really ? Are you going to compare fishing to doing ultimates ? Lmao

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Your ignorance is blinding.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Really ? Are you going to compare fishing to doing ultimates ? Lmao

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I honestly think you should google what the pteranodon and wivre mount requirements and rarity are, besides the mounts you have to pay 30/50 million gil they are the rarest...
And you don't need cheats to get them..

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Originally Posted by solimiano

I honestly think you should google what the pteranodon and wivre mount requirements and rarity are, besides the mounts you have to pay 30/50 million gil they are the rarest...
And you don't need cheats to get them..

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You're mistaking "difficulty" with "dedication to finishing a mindless grind", because that entirely sums up the requirement to obtain the Pteranodon mount. You'll spend about 176-200 hours farming materials in the Diadem to get the amount of points required for the DoL part, which gets you more than enough materials to craft enough G4 Artisanal items for the DoH part. Current melded DoH gear even allows you to 100% macro these expert recipes.

This doesn't mean the Pteranodon mount is anything to scoff at, as a grind like that isn't for everyone. I just wouldn't describe it as "difficult".

Oh, and the Wivre can be bought at roughly 32.5 mil (~65k per bicolor gemstone voucher).

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

You're mistaking "difficulty" with "dedication to finishing a mindless grind".

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And you're mistaking "dedication to finishing a mindless grind" with "easy."

People on my server had to log 13+ hrs a day during firmament rankings to get the Saint title. Don't tell me that isn't difficult to do.


And while we're at it... don't tell me ultimate titles/weapons can't be bought either. I'm glad SE cracked down on the ads in PF for it. But let's not pretend there hasn't been a problem with that.

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Originally Posted by PikoAliapoh

And you're mistaking "dedication to finishing a mindless grind" with "easy."

People on my server had to log 13+ hrs a day during firmament rankings to get the Saint title. Don't tell me that isn't difficult to do.


And while we're at it... don't tell me ultimate titles/weapons can't be bought either. I'm glad SE cracked down on the ads in PF for it. But let's not pretend there hasn't been a problem with that.

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You missed this part of what I wrote, my goal-post moving friend: "This doesn't mean the Pteranodon mount is anything to scoff at, as a grind like that isn't for everyone. I just wouldn't describe it as "difficult"."
Nowhere in my post do I mention it being "easy", because that would imply that there's a difficulty range to the grind in the first place. The Pteranodon grind is a simple case of "put in enough time gathering/macro crafting to succeed".

Anyone macro crafting expert recipes for the Saint title was probably going about it in a questionable way, because they definitely weren't hitting anything but minimal collectability for turn ins. Also comparing RMT-riddled content sales (Ultimates) to tokens that can be bought off the market board (bicolored gemstone vouchers/Wivre) is hilarious.

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Originally Posted by solimiano

Only because you keep cheating to clear said content, if you didn't cheat the content didn't need to have strict dps checks were you need to be using a parser or whatever you use...
They should just release a version of the FFXI absolute virtue but impossible to beat without cheats, ao they could ban everyone that clears it

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They... they did? It took years to beat AV "legit" because people figured out strategies to beat it and SE declared the methods as cheating and banned people over it... Absolute Virtue

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Originally Posted by solimiano

I'm not the one defending the use of third party addons which are against tos, you are defending cheating.
No grey area, if it isn't part of the official game or developed by square it's forbidden and a cheat.

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You are ridiculous, saying that players on console cannot see their damage output is supporting cheating? So youre one of those ppl who thinks that a parser is a cheat . That already tells me all I need to know. Show me where the bad dps meter touched you.

am and have always been pro parser, there should be one in the game. Was pro parser when I was on console and will remain that way.

"If something is against TOS its a cheat!!!" LMAO so all of you bibo body amnesis users are cheaters too then? Show me exactly how you cheat with that miqote eyebrow upscale

NGL I was actually about to post a serious response to this bait post lol.

"Let's remove crossplay completely because of a world race that's run by less than 0.1% of the player population. That'll show those 10-15 cheaters. "

FOH LMFAO

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Originally Posted by solimiano

I'm not the one defending the use of third party addons which are against tos, you are defending cheating.
No grey area, if it isn't part of the official game or developed by square it's forbidden and a cheat.

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YEEEEEEEEEEEEAH Ban that person for using Noclippy they shouldn't be allowed to play MCH with high ping.

Oh, and NC fixed the NIN Mudra bug and its been 3 weeks and still nothing from SE.

In conclusion this thread made me wanna drop a load.

Dividing the community over a few people that want to be vocal about cheaters is not an answer. The vast majority of players don't give a damn about people using mods.

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Originally Posted by SweetestLily

You are ridiculous, saying that players on console cannot see their damage output is supporting cheating? So youre one of those ppl who thinks that a parser is a cheat . That already tells me all I need to know. Show me where the bad dps meter touched you.

am and have always been pro parser, there should be one in the game. Was pro parser when I was on console and will remain that way.

"If something is against TOS its a cheat!!!" LMAO so all of you bibo body amnesis users are cheaters too then? Show me exactly how you cheat with that miqote eyebrow upscale

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I think your understanding of English is worse than mine, I'm not against parsers, as long as the parser is part of the game and implemented by square.
I'm against all third party addons because they break the tos that we all accepted before starting to play.
Don't care about excuses or whatever because you need xyz improvement to the game so you can play it.
As long as you are using something that is not produced by square you are breaking the TOS, and should be banned.

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Originally Posted by solimiano

I'm against all third party addons because they break the tos that we all accepted before starting to play.
Don't care about excuses or whatever because you need xyz improvement to the game so you can play it.
As long as you are using something that is not produced by square you are breaking the TOS, and should be banned.

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Is it me or do these kinds of arguments scream I lack critical thinking?
3rd Party tools = Bad because SE said so. Even though there is a lot more nuance to the conversation hence the thousands of forum posts.

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Originally Posted by Mosha

Is it me or do these kinds of arguments scream I lack critical thinking?
3rd Party tools = Bad because SE said so. Even though there is a lot more nuance to the conversation hence the thousands of forum posts.

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The weird thing is yoship didnt even call them bad outright and some of the actions taken this expansions continue to prove that the dev team overall doesnt consider them straight evil. He even flat out said he doesnt want report witch hunts.

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Originally Posted by Mosha

Is it me or do these kinds of arguments scream I lack critical thinking?
3rd Party tools = Bad because SE said so. Even though there is a lot more nuance to the conversation hence the thousands of forum posts.

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Yeah, pretty much. doubly so when this is the dev team that only after a bunch of pushback and nearly 10 years added basic QOL features like debuff timers on the party list. like it or not, they can and will be just flat out wrong about things, and that's okay, they're human, it's to be expected they occasionally make the decision that's worse for the game's overall health. Sadly, some people on this forum hate the idea that criticism builds a better game and do everything possible to parrot that SE can do no wrong and anyone who thinks otherwise should just quit instead of trying to make a game they enjoy better through healthy discussion of it's flaws and pros

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Originally Posted by Saraide

The weird thing is yoship didnt even call them bad outright and some of the actions taken this expansions continue to prove that the dev team overall doesnt consider them straight evil. He even flat out said he doesnt want report witch hunts.

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Yeah, it's a "don't ask don't tell" situation. They want to leave the modding community alone unless some stuff happens that brings the game into disrepute.

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Originally Posted by SweetestLily

You cannot speak for everyone and what they care or don't care about. Once you do that, you're already wrong.

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And yet you generalise console and PC players. lol

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Originally Posted by PredatoryCatgirl

...until consoles start supporting mods, whether they're designed to or not. Its only a matter of time.

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Bingo. It will just create a portion of the playerbase that modifies their console to do the job. When a need is created, people will work on it. Right now, there is limited "need" for modifying a console to cheat in this game... since those players can just go on PC and do it easily.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Also comparing RMT-riddled content sales (Ultimates) to tokens that can be bought off the market board (bicolored gemstone vouchers/Wivre) is hilarious.

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I'll be here all night, folks.

But seriously, RMT ultimate runs vs 50 million gil MB transactions... Yeah, totally different. No one in this game ever buys 50 million gil to spend on the MB for that stuff. That must be why there's such an absence of RMT bots and chat spammers in XIV. I forgot, sorry.

"AcT bAd bcs SE sAiD sO"
SE doesnt give a damn if you use your mare whatever to juice up your catgirl or act to see where you messed up in the logs it only becomes a problem when streamers use it than they HAVE to take actions you cannot make exceptions there. And they also cannot take the stance of allowing some addons that will open a huge can of worms. And if you use UAV or splatoon or whatever you are robbing yourself of the experience like whats the point anymore.

Playing XI without windower? Someone likes abuse.

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Originally Posted by Deedlit

Playing XI without windower? Someone likes abuse.

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God yeah, that's another funny one, Windower isn't allowed, So the same company (SE) also doesn't like it when you play their game from 2002 in modern resolutions or above 30 FPS (As the game doesn't have an fps uncap by default) and a minimap breaks ToS

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Originally Posted by SenzorialBoundries

"AcT bAd bcs SE sAiD sO"
SE doesnt give a damn if you use your mare whatever to juice up your catgirl or act to see where you messed up in the logs it only becomes a problem when streamers use it than they HAVE to take actions you cannot make exceptions there. And they also cannot take the stance of allowing some addons that will open a huge can of worms. And if you use UAV or splatoon or whatever you are robbing yourself of the experience like whats the point anymore.

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So don't talk about, don't stream with the add ons, and don't reply on the bloody official forums defending anything that is not SE property, maybe the heat will go down.
Or just be brave and tag Yoshi on Twitter while your streaming full of addons and go out in a blaze of glory.

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Originally Posted by solimiano

So don't talk about, don't stream with the add ons, and don't reply on the bloody official forums defending anything that is not SE property, maybe the heat will go down.
Or just be brave and tag Yoshi on Twitter while your streaming full of addons and go out in a blaze of glory.

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I thought you were against 3rd-party tools. now it just seems your advocating for what 99.9% of people with them already do....what a comedown.

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Originally Posted by Mosha

I thought you were against 3rd-party tools. now it just seems your advocating for what 99.9% of people with them already do....what a comedown.

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I'm against the use of anything that breaks tos, but if don't know about it... Now if you keep shoving in the official forums that you break tos, of course I'm going to be against it.

If we ever meet ingame I have no clue if you use mods or not at most I'll think you play really well, unless you're teleport hacking or if you tell me you use mods.

Imagine going to a police bar boasting about breaking the law and what tools you use to break the law...
There's no discussion to be made in the official forums unless it's to condemn and shame everyone that breaks the TOS.
It's a shame that the forums aren't properly moderated.

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Originally Posted by solimiano

It's a shame that the forums aren't properly moderated.

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why? so you can grass people up? I personally don't use thrid party tools

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Originally Posted by solimiano

I'm against the use of anything that breaks tos

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I'm sorry but... no you're not. You denied disabilities and support, showed no consideration for other people, pushed your opinion onto others and threatened to take actions against them just because they were doing something that the ToS said not to. All of these things are also in the ToS as prohibited actions, yet you didn't care. Are you only going to cherrypick the line about third party tools and ignore that there's a conduct to follow?

And the last time I pointed this out you said "I'm not threatening, I'm informing that I'll take action if I see that happen" ...that's, by definition, a threat. You informing your intent to sleight someone, regardless of morality, to the person to discourage them from doing something is a threat.

Now, I'm not going to bother reporting you for it, that is not my intention. My intention is to make you understand that it does seem rather unthought of to say "I am against the use of anything that breaks the terms of service" when you yourself have been conducting yourself in such a manner that can be seen as breaking it as well.

You'll find plenty of people break the terms of service ever so loosely. It doesn't take third party tools to break it. Please try to rethink your approach when it comes to other people if you truly do seek to fully abide by the terms of service, so that dialogue can actually flow properly even if you disagree with someone's actions or words.

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Originally Posted by Deedlit

Playing XI without windower? Someone likes abuse.

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Remember when SE was showcasing XI and had Windower installed on their machines that were showing the game off? That was pretty darn funny! lol

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Originally Posted by Mosha

why? so you can grass people up? I personally don't use thrid party tools

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If the forums were properly moderated any post advocating the use of addons would be deleted and the user would be warned/banned automatically, no need to report anyone

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Originally Posted by solimiano

If the forums were properly moderated any post advocating the use of addons would be deleted and the user would be warned/banned automatically, no need to report anyone

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don't believe in the right to critique eh?

SE must stamp out all criticism of their game.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

I'm sorry but... no you're not. You denied disabilities and support, showed no consideration for other people, pushed your opinion onto others and threatened to take actions against them just because they were doing something that the ToS said not to. All of these things are also in the ToS as prohibited actions, yet you didn't care. Are you only going to cherrypick the line about third party tools and ignore that there's a conduct to follow?

And the last time I pointed this out you said "I'm not threatening, I'm informing that I'll take action if I see that happen" ...that's, by definition, a threat. You informing your intent to sleight someone, regardless of morality, to the person to discourage them from doing something is a threat.

Now, I'm not going to bother reporting you for it, that is not my intention. My intention is to make you understand that it does seem rather unthought of to say "I am against the use of anything that breaks the terms of service" when you yourself have been conducting yourself in such a manner that can be seen as breaking it as well.

You'll find plenty of people break the terms of service ever so loosely. It doesn't take third party tools to break it. Please try to rethink your approach when it comes to other people if you truly do seek to fully abide by the terms of service, so that dialogue can actually flow properly even if you disagree with someone's actions or words.

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Dialogue about breaking the TOS, no cheers, do you need to break the tos because you have a disability or need extra support? Email SE and wait for their solution.
Oh wait now you can go and rob a bank or commit any crime because you have disability... Not really you can't break the law without facing the consequences.
Anything that breaks tos or advocates breaking tos is prohibited and should be banned.

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Originally Posted by solimiano

Dialogue about breaking the TOS, no cheers, do you need to break the tos because you have a disability or need extra support? Email SE and wait for their solution.
Oh wait now you can go and rob a bank or commit any crime because you have disability... Not really you can't break the law without facing the consequences.
Anything that breaks tos or advocates breaking tos is prohibited and should be banned.

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Equating mods to robbing a bank?
lol.
lmao even!

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Originally Posted by solimiano

Dialogue about breaking the TOS, no cheers, do you need to break the tos because you have a disability or need extra support? Email SE and wait for their solution.
Oh wait now you can go and rob a bank or commit any crime because you have disability... Not really you can't break the law without facing the consequences.
Anything that breaks tos or advocates breaking tos is prohibited and should be banned.

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Ah, so that's how you saw it. No, you were conflating using shaders to help with a disability, as well as other tools to help other people out with other stuff like a language barrier, the same as people who use zoomhacks to cheat and parsers to harass. And it seems you're doing it again!! Conflating those as something extreme like a robbery! Are you alright, solimiano? Because this isn't normal.

Do you really not understand that you're breaking the ToS in your advocating crusade as well? You're not wrong in saying that any and all tool is prohibited, that's SE's stance. But there's more to it than that, SE has stated as much, and they act based on it. Could you please be a bit more realistic than just hard-focusing on one line in the ToS and ignoring all the rest?

Again. Please rethink your attitude when it comes to other people, because it's coming across as really dismissive and aggressive. Things that also go against the ToS.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Ah, so that's how you saw it. No, you were conflating using shaders to help with a disability, as well as other tools to help other people out with other stuff like a language barrier, the same as people who use zoomhacks to cheat and parsers to harass. And it seems you're doing it again!! Conflating those as something extreme like a robbery! Are you alright, solimiano? Because this isn't normal.

Do you really not understand that you're breaking the ToS in your advocating crusade as well? You're not wrong in saying that any and all tool is prohibited, that's SE's stance. But there's more to it than that, SE has stated as much, and they act based on it. Could you please be a bit more realistic than just hard-focusing on one line in the ToS and ignoring all the rest?

Again. Please rethink your attitude when it comes to other people, because it's coming across as really dismissive and aggressive. Things that also go against the ToS.

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Informing / telling someone to stop breaking the TOS/Law, if not you are going to report them to the mods/devs/police/authorities is not against the TOS or Law.
Doesn't matter what your condition is or isn't, if you are using something that breaks the TOS you need to be banned, as simple as that.

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Originally Posted by solimiano

Informing / telling someone to stop breaking the TOS/Law, if not you are going to report them to the mods/devs/police/authorities is not against the TOS or Law.
Doesn't matter what your condition is or isn't, if you are using something that breaks the TOS you need to be banned, as simple as that.

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If you behave ingame like you do on the forum you can easily get reported and punished, as simple as that.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

If you behave ingame like you do on the forum you can easily get reported and punished, as simple as that.

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You can see my character name, come and play and see what is what.
Like I said before, in-game I have no reason to suspect anyone is using third party addons unless they are teleport hacking or stating in the chat they use add-ons ( kinda the same thing you are all saying here on the official forums, at least the ones admitting or advocating for them ), so most likely I'll be very cordial and sweet to you as fellow player e
who enjoys my passion that is final fantasy, I'll go out of my way to help you with anything you need, but if you are cheating I'll go out of my way to report you.
Anyway come say hello in game, as long as you are not using third party adds ons and you'll be welcomed ;)

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Originally Posted by solimiano

Informing / telling someone to stop breaking the TOS/Law, if not you are going to report them to the mods/devs/police/authorities is not against the TOS or Law.
Doesn't matter what your condition is or isn't, if you are using something that breaks the TOS you need to be banned, as simple as that.

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And here you show a double-standard.

It's bad for people with disabilities, difficulties, whatever, me or anyone else, to use third party tools, yes? It shouldn't matter if there's a condition or any disadvantage, it's not legal, right?
Well, likewise a threat is a threat, regardless of what the threat is about. "Informing to take action" is not allowed. Even if it's about upholding the terms of service, it's still threatening to take action.

You have no moral high ground over anyone else by behaving that way. Let's put physiological/mental conditions or disadvantage talk aside. Your behaviour so far has also been agains the terms of service too. Regardless of whether you want to make the place any better or not, the ToS does not allow you to crusade. And if you truly cared, Square Enix also asked to not go on witch hunts and report wars. So explain to me, please and if you can, why it's okay for you to do that when the very same document you bring up says you can't? Not in the way you're doing it? Because you can defend something without behaving that way.

It's fine to state "It's reportable to have any sort of third party tool", but there are ways to go about it. But you've shown no empathy or understanding, have since been preaching and shut down dialogue. Up until I asked a GM about it, I thought stuff innate to my computer would be fine. Turns out, even Square Enix doesn't really have a proper answer and just says "No tool is okay by our standards", which I took as "it's best to err on the side of caution", figuring it would be best to not use anything entirely. There are ways to approach this, and yours not only is not one, it unfortunately violates the terms you keep putting forwad.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

And here you show a double-standard.

It's bad for people with disabilities, difficulties, whatever, me or anyone else, to use third party tools, yes? It shouldn't matter if there's a condition or any disadvantage, it's not legal, right?
Well, likewise a threat is a threat, regardless of what the threat is about. "Informing to take action" is not allowed. Even if it's about upholding the terms of service, it's still threatening to take action.

You have no moral high ground over anyone else by behaving that way. Let's put physiological/mental conditions or disadvantage talk aside. Your behaviour so far has also been agains the terms of service too. Regardless of whether you want to make the place any better or not, the ToS does not allow you to crusade. And if you truly cared, Square Enix also asked to not go on witch hunts and report wars. So explain to me, please and if you can, why it's okay for you to do that when the very same document you bring up says you can't? Not in the way you're doing it? Because you can defend something without behaving that way.

It's fine to state "It's reportable to have any sort of third party tool", but there are ways to go about it. But you've shown no empathy or understanding, have since been preaching and shut down dialogue. Up until I asked a GM about it, I thought stuff innate to my computer would be fine. Turns out, even Square Enix doesn't really have a proper answer and just says "No tool is okay by our standards", which I took as "it's best to err on the side of caution", figuring it would be best to not use anything entirely. There are ways to approach this, and yours not only is not one, it unfortunately violates the terms you keep putting forwad.

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Let's see if I can explain this in another way, this is not a democracy, this a forum owned by a private company.
Noone has a right to come here and talk about breaching the company rules period.
What we have is a privilege, not a right.
Now go anywhere in the real world, and explain to them how your breaking their rules because it suits you and you'll see what real talk is lol.
This isn't Reddit, or 4chan, or discord, this is property of Square Enix, and all of you ( the ones that are breaking the rules by using or advocating third party addons ) are coming here to state that you break the rules and you think it's a good thing.
And you keep discussing it with me like you have hany rights...

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Originally Posted by solimiano

Dialogue about breaking the TOS, no cheers, do you need to break the tos because you have a disability or need extra support? Email SE and wait for their solution.
Oh wait now you can go and rob a bank or commit any crime because you have disability... Not really you can't break the law without facing the consequences.
Anything that breaks tos or advocates breaking tos is prohibited and should be banned.

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Everyone, everywhere breaks the law to a certain degree. Doesn't necessarily mean that everyone breaking that law is prosecuted. Take J-Walking for example. Technically illegal depending on where you are, but people still do it everyday. Cops don't enforce it. Its a "grey area". Should I start calling the cops every time I see someone do it?

Now that we are done showing off outside influences. Let's get to the bread. Disabilities. People have them. I have them. Not all of us are perfect without flaws like some people.. But we get by. You are correct on telling people that they shouldn't break ToS/law/rules/etc. But if you are only targeting people with disabilities like it seems to be for the last few days, kinda falls into a different category. Clearly you know the ToS better than I do.

Do you also tell small children that Santa isnt real?