Problem with the new deep dungeon (Eureka Orthos)

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Originally Posted by SannaR

What are you calling a gate? It has the same kind of lock outs the other two have. Have X done and like HoH have lv 50 of PotD completed. Seeing who is part of the unlock quest it makes sense that you wouldn't be able to unlock this until post 6.0. At least from a lore perspective.

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I was just being silly. I’m gonna love every second of grinding this solo clear as well.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

As someone with a mental disability, this really sucks. Telling me to touch grass, or just laughing at me because I asked for one quality of life improvement. You can fly to the deep dungeon directly for Palace of the Dead, and you can get to Heaven on High much quicker, but instead of just thinking about my suggestion, you all had to insult me. I'm reporting most of these comments, and honestly going to have to take a long shower, and try not to feel depressed.

This seriously affected me, and made me feel upset. How could you all be so cruel, and thoughtless. Did it ever occur to you that your negativity might be hurtful? :/ I am hugely embarrassed, frustrated, in tears, and just honestly all around not happy. You didn't have to agree with me, but you also didn't have to be so insulting.

I am furious. This feels like highschool bullshit, where you speak out and say something slightly wrong, so people just bully and laugh at your comment to its death. Just stop please. All I did was analyze the live letter, and make a point that you can't just get there quickly. YOSHI P LITERALLY DEMONSTRATED. It's literally on the far end outside of the map. I know this is a community that loves quality of life improvements, but instead you had to be rude, and make fun of my mental capabilities, and character, as if you haven't felt exhausted before while playing a video game when traveling a longer distance.

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Oh stop it. You aren't the only one with a mental disability. This is bait, right?

I don't know why people are acting like OP is saying that the walk is difficult or confusing. They are saying it would be slightly annoying, thats it...

I shouldn’t have to explain my mental disability but here we are.

The path to the gate is confusing, and reflective. My brain has trouble processing that visually, because although it is pretty, it is overstimulating. Especially when the special weather effect is up. I get confused, and sometimes have trouble finding the entrance.

Flying would simplify this, and make it easier. It’s not a bad thing to request, it’s not bad to admit I’m not neurotypical, but it is bad to slander me, and put me down as if I’m doing something wrong. It’s really sad that in the world you can just casually mention it being overwhelming, or that you have a mental disability, and suddenly everyone is angry at you.

“How dare you bring that up as an excuse.”

“You just want attention.”

“Haha, they are probably just trolling”

“This is probably bait” etc.

I’ve heard it all. Why can’t people just admit something as normal as a difficulty with something, and just be acknowledged. It feels like when you talk about these things you have a gun to your head unless you explain it perfectly. I don’t usually say things perfectly. I am often unstable, and will need extra time to correct myself, which I wouldn’t mind if people weren’t so hostile.

This is why people say the world doesn't work for people who aren’t neurotypical. We literally try to be clear, but people laugh and point us ino silence. I won’t be silent. The pathway bothers me, and gives me a headache trying to navigate it. Sometimes I feel motion sickness. Should it be removed entirely? No. Should it be changed. No. Should the weather effect be removed? No, I just want an alternative. It literally doesn’t do any harm to anyone for suggesting.

I do not represent anyone with a disability, or who is challenged but myself unless other people with mental disabilities choose to take my opinions as their own. Please don’t tell me I’m an embarrassment, or using a card. I just want to say how I feel about this, and be heard as a person, because I am one. I should never have had to go into greater detail.

Put down the shovel, move on

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Originally Posted by FireMage

Put down the shovel, move on

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Please. This. I agree 100% with Firemage on this.

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Originally Posted by FireMage

Put down the shovel, move on

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No, I am a person, and my request should not have been derailed. You could have disagreed in any other productive way than to comment, and reply the way you did in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

Please. This. I agree 100% with Firemage on this.

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I do not agree, and I will not stand for this bullying toward people in the forums. My stance is firm.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

No, I am a person, and my request should not have been derailed. You could have disagreed in any other productive way than to comment, and reply the way you did in this thread.



I do not agree, and I will not stand for this bullying toward people in the forums. My stance is firm.

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Literally no one was bullying you until you had your meltdown lol, and I'd still say you're not being bullied now (harsh words =/= bullying). "OH NO people think my request is a bit silly, whatever will I do? Oh I know, I'll have a meltdown about it and cry about how I'm being bullied". That's literally how this thread has gone. Maybe if you had started your OP with "My mental conditions cause me to have trouble with overstimulation and a way to deal with this, such as reduced travel time or a better entrance location", things would have gone SO much better for you and this thread, but instead you had a meltdown because a seemingly ridiculous complaint was treated as such. Lessons for next time, move on, you're not helping your case at all by arguing over it.

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Originally Posted by DrexelHavoc

I was just being silly. I’m gonna love every second of grinding this solo clear as well.

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Ah well sorry for taking you seriously then. As there are some who would claim something about this new PotD is a gate of some kind.

To OP if you get confused then why not put a flag marker down on the map in the direction of the door? Or have the map open while you're flying to the door? Only the passageway past the door has the non flying. How is trying to navigate such a short passageway hard? You either end up at the door or not. You could also shout in the zone and ask if someone would take you there on a multi seater mount.

Don't feed Firemage, he's like a mogwai. Except it's always after midnight. Though his look makes me think more of being closer to the fire gang from Labyrinth.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

I do not agree, and I will not stand for this bullying toward people in the forums. My stance is firm.

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Ok cool. Sure. Fight the good fight and all that jazz.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

Please. This. I agree 100% with Firemage on this.

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Maybe you two should try taking your own advice if the OP bothers you so much. You don’t have to keep coming in here to reply to them you know.

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Originally Posted by Silvarer

Maybe you two should try taking your own advice if the OP bothers you so much. You don’t have to keep coming in here to reply to them you know.

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I've already said my closing piece. It's gonna be Firemage you gotta worry about.

Good luck with that!

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

No, I am a person, and my request should not have been derailed. You could have disagreed in any other productive way than to comment, and reply the way you did in this thread.

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You being a person doesn't stop criticism of your whining (which is baseless) and your attempt to use a mental disability as a shield (which is wrong on so many levels) doesn't stop being messed up because of it either. Accept some responsibility, t-cup. Zebraoracle has it completely right, move on, grow up, put down the shovel

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Originally Posted by SannaR

Don't feed Firemage, he's like a mogwai. Except it's always after midnight. Though his look makes me think more of being closer to the fire gang from Labyrinth.

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I'm sorry, I know this is going to summon him, but...

Yeah, having a mental disability isn't an excuse for behaviour.

But sometimes people in these forums do suck at how they approach people. The forums just often bulldoze their way through communication. And if for a neurotypical person that's already a bit of a blow, imagine for those who aren't :T

Yep. I'm definitely guilty of doing that, but I have self-awareness enough to know some days I was just an arse. I do bring into question how many people would do that :p

Otherwise I agree, don't hide behind neurodivergence for something that's consistently negative. Because a lot of people do their best to get around it. I've been personally on the receiving end of someone using a disability they have which I shared as an excuse for poor performance and shaming others for wanting effort out of them, whereas I was on the backseat trying my best to brainstorm ways to get around it...
Like, girl, I have the same thing you have, and our friends are helping us overcome it. Why are you nagging at them and calling all of us crap for not respecting your nagging?

though <,<;; OP ngl you did kinda sound a bit too dramatic.

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This seriously affected me, and made me feel upset. How could you all be so cruel, and thoughtless. Did it ever occur to you that your negativity might be hurtful? :/ I am hugely embarrassed, frustrated, in tears, and just honestly all around not happy. You didn't have to agree with me, but you also didn't have to be so insulting.

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I wouldn't actually think you were being serious reading that.

To be fair, ignoring FireMage is just generally good advice.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

To be fair, ignoring FireMage is just generally good advice.

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Sage advice really.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

To be fair, ignoring FireMage is just generally good advice.

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Fire who? /smile

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Originally Posted by Renalt

I've already said my closing piece. It's gonna be Firemage you gotta worry about.

Good luck with that!

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*shrugs* I was just saying, that's all. I don't know why I should be worried about him or care enough to get into an actual argument.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

I'm sorry, I know this is going to summon him, but...

Yeah, having a mental disability isn't an excuse for behaviour.

But sometimes people in these forums do suck at how they approach people. The forums just often bulldoze their way through communication. And if for a neurotypical person that's already a bit of a blow, imagine for those who aren't :T

Yep. I'm definitely guilty of doing that, but I have self-awareness enough to know some days I was just an arse. I do bring into question how many people would do that :p

Otherwise I agree, don't hide behind neurodivergence for something that's consistently negative. Because a lot of people do their best to get around it. I've been personally on the receiving end of someone using a disability they have which I shared as an excuse for poor performance and shaming others for wanting effort out of them, whereas I was on the backseat trying my best to brainstorm ways to get around it...
Like, girl, I have the same thing you have, and our friends are helping us overcome it. Why are you nagging at them and calling all of us crap for not respecting your nagging?

though <,<;; OP ngl you did kinda sound a bit too dramatic.

I wouldn't actually think you were being serious reading that.

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I agree with the way people communicate here. Bulldozing through conversation doesn't really work.

I don't agree with this whole thing about me using my mental disability to excuse behavior. All I did was make a suggestion, and try to explain a personal reason on why I think flying could be useful for some players, then I stood firm when people started to act mean toward me, including filing reports. Though in order not to dox, I'm just leaving it at that, not naming names.

Basically just got treated like crap for just trying to make a suggestion that wouldn't even hurt anything, or take anything away, but people got triggered over it for some reason I don't understand, and even more upset when I didn't just accept being mistreated. Treat people how you want to be treated. Most people would probably have deleted a thread by now, but I'm not like that. I have resilience, and the will to stand firm when people are being cruel. I'm not whining here, I'm telling people to stop, and making it clear that my boundaries have been crossed.

Constructive criticism on my suggestion would be one thing, and I wouldn't get upset if someone contributed that, but complete and total backlash on a topic that shouldn't even be a controversial issue is ridiculous, but I will not stoop low to insulting anyone, or throwing any of the pointless backlash back. I'm telling y'all to stop. We should be getting to the topic of the suggestion that was made, which is adding flying to Eureka Orthos, or some kind of teleporter. Anything that would make it possible for people to get there as quick as the previous Deep Dungeons.

This topic was not supposed to be a thread about bashing me. I did not ask for that, and I will not stand idly by and just act like that it is okay. I really wish more people that get thrashed on here would stand up for themselves firmly, and calmly, because then maybe people would get a clue and stop. I don't think its crossing the rules of the forums to politely, and assertively just say you are not comfortable, and that you would like something to not engage further when a personal boundary has been crossed.

Internet forums may be forums where we can all participate, but people should still have etiquette, and the realization that behind each username is a person with feelings, and that since we can only have one account per account here, that its usually heavily tied to our characters, and not hard to harass people. The forum bullying goes deeper than people often realize. Please have consideration for other people, and remember to be kind. I know its not always easy to, but trying counts for something. Even just apologizing can do wonders. Have faith in your fellow players. We do not have to resort to such pointless bitterness.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

I agree with the way people communicate here. Bulldozing through conversation doesn't really work.

I don't agree with this whole thing about me using my mental disability to excuse behavior. All I did was make a suggestion, and try to explain a personal reason on why I think flying could be useful for some players, then I stood firm when people started to act mean toward me, including filing reports. ...

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Most people are saying you're using it as an excuse because, despite getting people to give you advice on how you can handle it if they don't allow flying there, you've acknowledged none of it, which makes it feel like you only want to complain and use your disability as a crutch. I've mentioned a way to mitigate the issue, as have others, as they're likely not going to remove the no-flight zone in there. Acknowledging that something may/may not work for you or trying to find a compromise will look better on your part, because you're acknowledging that people are trying to help and not just looking like you want something to complain about.

No shade, sorry you have something that makes it difficult to traverse the maps, but some are trying to help if you can't just fly there.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

the deep dungeon sells Graha Burgers? thought that was the only thing that would get aveyond off...

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oof, phrasing

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Originally Posted by hagare

oof, phrasing

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And yet, accurate.

wow, even when he's not here, things derail. y'all really miss / love him.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

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Oh my word just stop. No one said anything particularly awful to you before your meltdown. The "meanest" thing someone said was "touch grass". Your original post didn't say ANYTHING about a disability, you said some vague statement about 'mental energy' which could mean all sorts of stuff. No one started "bashing" you *until you had a full blown meltdown temper tantrum* because people weren't agreeing with you. If someone saying "touch grass" to you is enough to set you off, then you really ought to seek aids on how to deal with uncomfortable social situations, not worrying about something miniscule in an online video game. You are literally acting like a victim of some horrible crime, just stop, this is ridiculous at this point. If you can't handle people not agreeing with you on an online forum, this might not be the best place for you. I don't mean that as a "get out of here you're not wanted" way, but like, I'm actually worried about your ability to socialize in a setting like this.

Geeze, kind of boring to stir the pot when everyone else is doing it, lmao.

They'll probably just make a shortcut teleport on the Mor Dona Aetheryte like they did for the Firmament in Foundation; even without it though, it's not that far of a trek.

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Originally Posted by Neoyoshi

They'll probably just make a shortcut teleport on the Mor Dona Aetheryte like they did for the Firmament in Foundation; even without it though, it's not that far of a trek.

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Imo this is the way to do it whether by aether (like Bozjas entrance or Firm like mentioned above) or by adding an NPC to MD thar let's you teleport there. Anything to add convienence is a smarter move. It's not like we're all not rushing around in general to get stuff done plus making that journey back and forth will get old after a while.

Tbh I don't know why we haven't gotten a Deep Dungeon finder (like the DF) yet, can we get one of those?

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Imo this is the way to do it whether by aether (like Bozjas entrance or Firm like mentioned above) or by adding an NPC to MD thar let's you teleport there. Anything to add convienence is a smarter move. It's not like we're all not rushing around in general to get stuff done plus making that journey back and forth will get old after a while.

Tbh I don't know why we haven't gotten a Deep Dungeon finder (like the DF) yet, can we get one of those?

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Honestly a duty finder for them makes the most sense IMO. Surprised it's not already a thing.