I am once again asking for cross-DC travel

Appreciate some people in this thread proving my point for me.

I remember when all our servers were in Canada :-)

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

I don't understand why people want to bring in the DC Universe into FFXIV. Do we seriously need to have Batman or Wonder Woman in this game that badly?

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Originally Posted by Rehayem

Title says it all.

I get it, I'm gonna get dunked on again "wHy plAY NA sErvERs iF yoU'rE fROm EU"

Because friends. Lots of friends. I have friends on EU too. I don't want to create an alt, max it up, gear it up, etc. I just don't have real life time for that type of thing, or money to spend on those skips. I like to focus on my main character.

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This is wholesome. For people that want DC travel for similar reasons as yourself, I totally get it.

Just remember. We need to affirm over and over again that NA/EU are dirty, uncivilized barbarians that the poor pristine Japanese should never have to interact with. Respect that cultural difference.

Oh you don't want Japanese players in YOUR datacenter? Racist!

Whoa what’s with the greed? Share those friends with the rest of us please.

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Originally Posted by Semirhage

We need to affirm over and over again that NA/EU are dirty, uncivilized barbarians

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Well I mean let's be honest, this is 100% true, if you look at that recent job census that was posted on reddit, NA/EU overwhelmingly have Warriors as the most popular tank.
Even us Aussies on Materia can't resist letting loose our inner beasts.

"cross DC is bad because the japanese will have a melty"
"cross DC is good because it would make NA seethe and mald"

can you guys ever agree on something?
is protecting the japanese more important than making north americans seethe?

As long as the Market Board disabled for other region, I don't mind it. I don't like when the MB price destroyed by NA's free gils :mad:

Honestly, I'm going to say that there's more of a legitimate case for opening fewer doors, and even that SE may have opened too many doors when it comes to cross-server activities in FFXIV.

A big and understated problem, in particular, is that this steadily reduces the number of community atmospheres that a player is able to choose from.

Take NA, for instance. There used to be 24 different worlds with 24 vastly different community vibes. For instance, if you wanted the hardcore raid server, you went to Gilgamesh. If you wanted RP, you went to Balmung. If you wanted a server with a laid back culture with not much of a server hive mind and was good with hunts, you might want to go to Siren, and so on.

Then came cross-world PF and World Visit, and between the two, we've practically telescoped down from 24 communities to choose from to just 3, as the culture on shared matters such as raids and hunts has been more or less forcibly unified (hunts have of course always been an issue, but raiding is as well as even PF leads have little say in terms of matters such as strategies - even if you think a different strat is better you're almost forced to use your datacenter's most popular one, as if PF is meant to be a sort of meta-guild hivemind rather than a collection of independent groups). Moreover, it's basically always the biggest players on each DC that get their way, causing the smaller worlds' cultures to be almost entirely swallowed. Aether almost might as well be Gilgamesh Zero through Seven now, for instance.

I haven't been back long enough to tell, and I haven't caught up to endgame yet in Endwalker, but given the amount of visitor mixing between NA datacenters that I've already noticed, I'm already apprehensive that there isn't even a choice of three NA community mindsets anymore: we likely have, or are on our way to, a single "one best way" that all of NA is expected to adopt (and that most likely, it's all of NA effectively becoming Aether, due to the pull exerted by Gilgamesh top raiders on Discord).

Cross-region would likely result in a single world hivemind, that everyone's expected to follow or risk social (or maybe even in-game because of the new reporting guidelines these days) sanctioning.

And once again, it would probably be set by top Gilgamesh raiders through their Discord influence, with little opportunity for dissenting opinions or the more mellow parts of the community to count.

JP is right to fear this. Keep travel within regions. If you want to play in multiple regions make the time investment and maintain alts. :)

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Originally Posted by Semirhage

Just remember. We need to affirm over and over again that NA/EU are dirty, uncivilized barbarians that the poor pristine Japanese should never have to interact with. Respect that cultural difference.

Oh you don't want Japanese players in YOUR datacenter? Racist!

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

"cross DC is bad because the japanese will have a melty"
"cross DC is good because it would make NA seethe and mald"

can you guys ever agree on something?
is protecting the japanese more important than making north americans seethe?

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Originally Posted by Rehayem

They could limit a lot of stuff. Just shut down marketboard trading, simply do EU-NA and JP-OCE travel, I think that'd be good enough honestly.

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You realise it would be better for it to be OCE with NA and EU instead of to JP given the language spoken in OCE is mostly English

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Originally Posted by Nav_Fae

If I recall, it's basically the JP community that doesn't want it. They're afraid of a cultural war and a language dominance with the West. They don't want us in their DC with our unique and different from theirs beliefs and opinions. To them, we're just flies coming into their home from the drain pipes as they swat at us to go away. Opening DC travel would be removing the drain stopper and an army of flies move into your home as if entitled. They simy don't want to battle westerns. Maybe they'll think we'd win? Loud, obnoxious, don't know when to look the other way. Take mods for example. JP HATES them to the point of witch hunting. The west loves them to the point of making careers from it. Opening the doors would invade their DC with even more mods than they already deal with. This is just an exame of many. Conflicts of political abd religious rights causing drama too. And its not like our GMs are the best either at fixing harassment. They also don't want the west populating their PF with nightclubs snd RP. Then in duty finder, NA is bad at following party findrr diagrams. Something JP does a lot. Don't even get me started on their fears of NA weebs. Did you know they blame NA for the stale condition of the game right now?

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Most of the JP playerbase are actually quite nice, you do meet the odd group that are extremely phobic of foreigners, but they are quite rare and only poke their ugly heads when there is new content.

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Originally Posted by NatePride

You realise it would be better for it to be OCE with NA and EU instead of to JP given the language spoken in OCE is mostly English

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Majority of OCE players are from Elemental, a JP datacenter.

Only about 20-30% of the english population moved to OCE, the rest are still on Elemental. (Mostly SEA players)

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Originally Posted by Amarande

Cross-region would likely result in a single world hivemind, that everyone's expected to follow or risk social (or maybe even in-game because of the new reporting guidelines these days) sanctioning.

And once again, it would probably be set by top Gilgamesh raiders through their Discord influence, with little opportunity for dissenting opinions or the more mellow parts of the community to count.

JP is right to fear this. Keep travel within regions. If you want to play in multiple regions make the time investment and maintain alts. :)

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You bring up excellent points, I agree 100%.

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

Majority of OCE players are from Elemental, a JP datacenter.

Only about 20-30% of the english population moved to OCE, the rest are still on Elemental. (Mostly SEA players)

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And I still want to keep JP DCs away from NA/EU/OCE cross-region travel. Even with all the non-Japanese/English speakers, Elemental's <50% EN average across the whole DC, while OCE's nearly 100%. With its low population, Materia could benefit from access to NA and/or EU.

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Originally Posted by Rehayem

I am once again asking for cross-DC travel

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Weren't they already working on this and ran into technical problems?

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Originally Posted by DragonFlyy

Weren't they already working on this and ran into technical problems?

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IIRC in one of interviews it says it took them a whole year to make cross-world travel functional.

They said it's technically possible (and it is because we have paid transfers), but they are not sure if they should do it or not. At minimum, NA and EU should be able to mix.

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Originally Posted by Kranel_San

Rather, don't allow any DC travel TO JP. That will solve a major part of the issue as JP players are of totally different cultures and would like not to get invaded by weebs, especially NA weebs. If JP players want to go on a world tour then that's fine. It's also fine if any other region wants to do it since they got more similarities in their cultures.

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I don't want JP to come to my data center for a "world tour" with their uptight attitudes about mods, xenophobia and language barrier. OCE and NA are welcome though.

I am gonna necro my own thread. Why? Because game is unplayable.

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Sending tracert to SE is pointless, this affects primarily EU players on NA.

If we had cross DC travel, I could at least go to EU and play like a normal person. But damned be us, who has most friends on NA.

Thread is 127 pages long, last 5-6 is us complaining about it.

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Originally Posted by Rehayem

Sending tracert to SE is pointless, this affects primarily EU players on NA.

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You shouldn't dismiss it as pointless. SE may not be able to fix the cause of the problem but they can contact the necessary entities involved to find out what's going on and hopefully prompt some sort of action.

I would suggest that a new thread gets created since this is most likely is a separate new problem. SE may not be paying attention to the old thread.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

You shouldn't dismiss it as pointless. SE may not be able to fix the cause of the problem but they can contact the necessary entities involved to find out what's going on and hopefully prompt some sort of action.

I would suggest that a new thread gets created since this is most likely is a separate new problem. SE may not be paying attention to the old thread.

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Sorry I'm just very frustrated with the whole ordeal. But you know what? That's actually a good idea. I'll do that, maybe it'll catch their attention.

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

Most of the JP playerbase are actually quite nice, you do meet the odd group that are extremely phobic of foreigners, but they are quite rare and only poke their ugly heads when there is new content.

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Oh so just like that same toxic swarm of locusts on NA…

Lot of the comments here make me sad, I love to see region travel as a tool to actually learn and understand eachother's culture even if we don't respectfully agree on some things.

Just remember the golden rule of their house, their rules.

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We all got got good and bad people, doesn't matter what country. All that will be sorted out by GMs if some regional trolls decides to cause trouble.

Also people can make use of the blacklist if needed if someone is being disrespectful in the chat.

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

Lot of the comments here make me sad, I love to see region travel as a tool to actually learn and understand eachother's culture even if we don't respectfully agree on some things.

Just remember the golden rule of their house, their rules.

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We all got got good and bad people, doesn't matter what country. All that will be sorted out by GMs if some regional trolls decides to cause trouble.

Also people can make use of the blacklist if needed if someone is being disrespectful in the chat.

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The blacklist is a joke and needs to be revamped. If they did that, then SE wouldn't have to worry about cross region DC travel. SE's statement they're worried about implementing this (they already can) because of JP can easily be solved to exclude JP altogether.

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

All that will be sorted out by GMs if some regional trolls decides to cause trouble.

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This sparked thoughts that may explain another reason for not implementing cross-region.

How are the GM tickets going to get handled? It's easy enough to say "their house, their rules" but how to handle the situations where a player is acting in good faith and not trying to cause problems but has somehow broken the unwritten rules of another region. Not to mention whether ticket volume will end up increasing or decreasing greatly by region compared to the size of staff for that region.

Personally, I'm in favor of cross region. I doubt that many trouble makers will appear. The greatest impact will be on the marketboards but those who play the markets will adjust just as they did when world visit launched and again with dc travel.

They also either need to get Materia connected to another region or give up the OCE data center as a failed venture and move Materia to another region. I don't think the Xbox release is going to make enough of a difference to OCE's population for it to be self-sustaining.

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Originally Posted by Rehayem

The blacklist is a joke and needs to be revamped. If they did that, then SE wouldn't have to worry about cross region DC travel. SE's statement they're worried about implementing this (they already can) because of JP can easily be solved to exclude JP altogether.

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Something we've been pointing out ever since JP's objections became known.

Let them stay isolated if they want to be isolated. The other regions side heavily toward a global game community. Use the rest of us as the test for cross region. If it works well for everyone else, JP can change its mind and get added later. If it doesn't work well, then JP can be happy that they weren't involved.

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Originally Posted by Rehayem

The blacklist is a joke and needs to be revamped. If they did that, then SE wouldn't have to worry about cross region DC travel. SE's statement they're worried about implementing this (they already can) because of JP can easily be solved to exclude JP altogether.

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They could make duty finder a manual opt-in/opt-out for playing with <traveler>'d players. Stick a checkbox in the same window as the unsync option. Along with adding a party finder window filter for said <traveler> label as well.

No need to even touch the blacklist system to fix their complaint here.