The Men FFXIV Needs

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Originally Posted by hagare

if you really support what you're saying, you'd be playing a roe

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Roe are cartoonishly large. They tend to remind me of Darth Baras from SWTOR given how wide they are. Some of us just want some buffer, more grizzled looking humans rather than having to default to Diet-Shrek.

so just giving male high landers eye brows and more beards?

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The right side one still looks like from 2010 or before if we are to be honest

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This is preliminary, remember. Final results pending.

So you got a type you prefer. Congratulations.

Can we drop the boring 'race-baiting' (humanity has only one race, BTW - The Human Race) and go back to the topic at hand; more natural masculine male character creation options.

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Originally Posted by Eldtagg

more natural masculine male character creation options.

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So... Beer bellies?

If we're talking what we'd like to see, I'd love to be able to design a character closer to this guy in terms of height, physique and facial features:

https://i.imgur.com/5emF5OM.png

https://i.imgur.com/cogmFRg.png

I think the fitness model's name is Serge...something? Russian guy, highly attractive - which would fit well with the general aesthetics that modern Final Fantasy games like to lean into with the likes of Gabranth, Gladio and Snow.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

but it'd still be nice to have more masculine options such as these for players who wanted them. Highlanders are a bit too stylized, in that they aren't really handsome, plus the whole eyebrow thing.

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Yea my first character is a Highlander and it was really restrictive, still not happy about the nose and eye shape limitations, that being said i have multiple male (and now female characters) and i agree we do need more options. I do enjoy my bunny boy character i think they do have the pretty boy look done by now.

Also its great that the OP included images for those who don't know what Males and Females are or its distinctions.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

If we're talking what we'd like to see, I'd love to be able to design a character closer to this guy in terms of height, physique and facial features:

*Image Snip*

I think the fitness model's name is Serge...something? Russian guy, highly attractive - which would fit well with the general aesthetics that modern Final Fantasy games like to lean into with the likes of Gabranth, Gladio and Snow.

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This post made me realize that even just a character creation option for a few different jaw styles would go a long way in alleviating the issue. It would just be a band-aid fix, but it would be a start! Anything other than just soft round curves or an anime triangle chin.

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Originally Posted by Jagick

This post made me realize that even just a character creation option for a few different jaw styles would go a long way in alleviating the issue. It would just be a band-aid fix, but it would be a start! Anything other than just soft round curves or an anime triangle chin.

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Aye. A strong jaw really makes a difference. ESO may be a little dated on some fronts but I appreciate that it has enough sliders to sculpt a jaw and other features to my liking. I think that game came out in...2014? So roughly around the same time as ARR did.

Apparently the upgrade to character textures is just the 'first stage' of the graphical overhaul though I do hope the development team are rebuilding the models from the ground up so they can more easily add new options in the future.

This game already lacks masculine options in every aspect and you demand for another Hien metrosexual male model for gucci guilty fragrance advertisement? Well at least it's how I see it. The game needs more raw masculinity imo, and highlanders are not masculine, they're just ugly. So yeah, more jaws, more cheekbone options, more noses, more everything and I want it RAW.

Game definately needs more traditionally masculine options, not even just in character creation, but also in-game. There's probably 20 Low T catboys and bunny boys for every 1 Highlander I'd bet lol. +1 for OP, good post

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Originally Posted by Lustre

Game definately needs more traditionally masculine options, not even just in character creation, but also in-game. There's probably 20 Low T catboys and bunny boys for every 1 Highlander I'd bet lol. +1 for OP, good post

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Definitely it's a catering bonus to the Justin Biebers, Boy band fan Teen Girl dominations and the obvious Asian Cultural variation which is all valid and Done. We do also see more busty & mature variations of women too so there's a argument to be said about including upgrades to the Highlander, Au Ra males, Roes and male customization variation. (please more Highlander nose and Eyes shapes lol)

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Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank

So... Beer bellies?

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Absolutely, as an option!

Back in the day; being fat = having lot's of money. Being slim = poor, can't afford to eat.

I'd like something akin to the SF6 Ryu and Guile. Not only Ryu's beard and Guile's goatee but the straight up ruggedness and battle harden look to there faces. The faces of someone whose been fighting there whole lives.

Due to the lack of manly men/hroth it is why the mod The Body SE and its body and gear variants exist and there's even a variant to give you a beer gut version called Chonk

eg: beefy hroths and roes
https://staticdelivery.nexusmods.com...055469032.jpeg

Type M variant
https://staticdelivery.nexusmods.com...-814757259.png

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Originally Posted by Izar_Chillen

Due to the lack of manly men/hroth it is why the mod The Body SE and its body and gear variants exist and there's even a variant to give you a beer gut version called Chonk

eg: beefy hroths and roes
https://staticdelivery.nexusmods.com...055469032.jpeg

Type M variant
https://staticdelivery.nexusmods.com...-814757259.png

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But first... Those nipples has to go.

Remember, the nipple is evil!

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Originally Posted by Izar_Chillen

Type M variant

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...someone give this guy something to eat, my god.

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Originally Posted by Izar_Chillen

Snips

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...Dude really? Stop linking third party pics here, you don't want billboard situation happens to you don't you? :eek:

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

...Dude really? Stop linking third party pics here, you don't want billboard situation happens to you don't you? :eek:

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Who is Bill and why is he bored?

Hroths and vieras should have been the hint this game is only ever going to get fujobaits and bara clowns.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...crX0AE7NPn.jpg

At any rate...here's some more examples of tall, conventionally attractive masculine men who represent the sort of options I'd like to see brought to the table:

Steve Fox from the Tekken games:

https://i.imgur.com/Eugwed2.png

Kiryu Kazuma from the Yakuza games:

https://i.imgur.com/hmOTULx.png

I'll post some more examples later, if anyone is interested!

How does Kiryu always manage to look so perpetually mad? I get one hell of a headache if I furrow my brow like that for more than ten minutes because the sun is too bright or something.

Travis Fimmel

https://thelittlefacts.com/wp-conten...-576x1024.jpeg

Karl Urban

https://www.greenscene.co.id/wp-cont...ly-Butcher.jpg

Viggo Mortensen

https://www.cinemascomics.com/wp-con...os-anillos.jpg

Idris Elba

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...path-prefix=es

Joe Manganiello

https://s.abcnews.com/images/Enterta...0_4x3t_992.jpg

Ian Somerhalder

https://www.kinotip2.cz/uploads/page...-102016990.jpg

Paul Walker

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f3/79...16cb59c62b.jpg

Clint Eastwood

https://tvovermind.com/wp-content/up...ng-640x469.jpg

Michael B. Jordan

https://thespun.com/.image/ar_1:1%2C...m-festival.jpg

So many beautiful men...

What we have:

https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...592379b653.jpg

Would more options be good? Sure. As long as it doesn't go as far as "Dude that's been very roughly chiseled from a slab of Granite with skin that looks as rough as volcanic rock feels. " or your typical Mr. Universe contestant.

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Originally Posted by Jagick

How does Kiryu always manage to look so perpetually mad? I get one hell of a headache if I furrow my brow like that for more than ten minutes because the sun is too bright or something.

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I just assume it's his resting ***** face.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

Would more options be good? Sure. As long as it doesn't go as far as "Dude that's been very roughly chiseled from a slab of Granite with skin that looks as rough as volcanic rock feels. " or your typical Mr. Universe contestant.

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Why not? If "literally a baby on a man's body" is acceptable for the game, why not this?
Even Nomura, for all the shit he gets, knew he had to design at least one stereotypically masculine character in his sea of pretty boys.

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Originally Posted by Jagick

How does Kiryu always manage to look so perpetually mad? I get one hell of a headache if I furrow my brow like that for more than ten minutes because the sun is too bright or something.

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Yeah, it's...intense. I like it, though. The game is desperately in need of some more testosterone so it'd be nice to create a character who looks like that without venturing into ugly territory.

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

Why not? If "literally a baby on a man's body" is acceptable for the game, why not this?
Even Nomura, for all the shit he gets, knew he had to design at least one stereotypically masculine character in his sea of pretty boys.

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Funny I don't remember most of the player base saying they liked or that they wanted more characters that were Emmanellain Fortemps clones. You know a character model that actually uses one of the few baby face types. Yet I feel the other extreme is going too far. I said I wouldn't be against more options or even more representation of npcs that looked like your Henry Cavills, Idris Elbas or Chadwick Bosemans. I'd even go for Michael B Jordan or Anthony Mackie, but I think a few in this thread would call them too smooth and not masculine enough. Even Lou Diamond Phillips would be on my list. Along with Sebastian Stan.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Yeah, it's...intense. I like it, though. The game is desperately in need of some more testosterone so it'd be nice to create a character who looks like that without venturing into ugly territory.

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So what I'm hearing is that Gaius should be our traveling companion for the next few expansions.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

So what I'm hearing is that Gaius should be our traveling companion for the next few expansions.

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I'd be all for it if not for what happened to Estinien. Since all male scions and their tag-alongs end up as the butt of distasteful jokes, it would be unfortunate to add Gaius to that list.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

So what I'm hearing is that Gaius should be our traveling companion for the next few expansions.

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I wouldn't say no - though arguably it would have been better if it happened sooner when Garlemald was more relevant to the story.

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Originally Posted by Misplaced_Marbles

I'd be all for it if not for what happened to Estinien. Since all male scions and their tag-alongs end up as the butt of distasteful jokes, it would be unfortunate to add Gaius to that list.

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Good point - Gaius' latest appearance being him in a rooster suit doesn't exactly inspire confidence. :p

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

So what I'm hearing is that Gaius should be our traveling companion for the next few expansions.

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Ideally, yes. Especially if the story ever takes us back to Ilsabard. Here are some other actors/characters that I think would be good to see in game:

Jason Momoa

https://variety.com/wp-content/uploa...ous.jpg?w=1000

Julien Kang

https://photos.hancinema.net/photos/photo1463677.jpg

James Norton

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cp...i031634065.jpg

Walter von Schenkopp – Legend of the Galactic Heroes

https://64.media.tumblr.com/1fba2140...f19044b392.jpg

Tonraq – Legend of Korra

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/lrETPw4pk5A/maxresdefault.jpg

Trevor Belmont – Castlevania

https://sportshub.cbsistatic.com/i/2...or-1209850.jpg

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

So what I'm hearing is that Gaius should be our traveling companion for the next few expansions.

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Honestly? Yes. I'd take him as a companion, I find his whole story and development quite interesting and it has so much potential for a lot of interesting conflicts. So given that he doesn't end up as some comic relief sooner or later, I'd take him as a travelling companion anytime. I enjoyed his whole "I'm still a son of Garlemald" stance; proved you can learn to see some things differently without giving everything up that made him who he is.
Bit late for it, I agree with Theodric there, but still worth having imo.

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Originally Posted by Rilifane

Honestly? Yes. I'd take him as a companion, I find his whole story and development quite interesting and it has so much potential for a lot of interesting conflicts. So given that he doesn't end up as some comic relief sooner or later, I'd take him as a travelling companion anytime. I enjoyed his whole "I'm still a son of Garlemald" stance; proved you can learn to see some things differently without giving everything up that made him who he is.
Bit late for it, I agree with Theodric there, but still worth having imo.

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I could see it working if we're going across the world to another continent. Example, finding out we need to go to Meracydia, and discovering a Legion was sent there and hasn't been heard from in a while. The legatus of said legion Gaius personally knows and is worried about, as said legatus never misses reporting in. He decides to come with us just in case things need to be smoothed over with the Legatus, along with several not-Scions or B-list Scions (Hoary Boulder maybe?). Basically get a reason for him to be traveling with us, and get some lesser used characters to go along with to Meracydia. Use it as an excuse to flesh out Gaius and those characters more.

Kinda wish Gaius became a more permanent character.

Either way: I'm all for more customization to fit all tastes so everyone can make their dream character/avatar in game.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Walter von Schenkopp – Legend of the Galactic Heroes

https://64.media.tumblr.com/1fba2140...f19044b392.jpg

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It's really disappointing that the LoGH remake turned everyone into same-face bishounens.

I wish men were more manly in this game!

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Originally Posted by Lunalepsy

I wish men were more manly in this game!

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They should do it for the guys! It is a fantasy game afterall

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