It is disrespectful to enter alliance raids without watching a guide.

No, it's not. People learn at their own rate.

Look, if you want to tell everyone that you're the guy that pulls during cutscenes without actually telling us that you pull during cutscenes, just do it! At least be honest about why you want everyone to roll their eyes at you.

Is this Titanmen? :o

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Originally Posted by Soge01

Is this Titanmen? :o

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I don't think he's into potato...

it's bait but imagine being one of those unforgivable people who don't let someone experience things for the first time.

it's like that friend nobody wants to invite to play any new game or DnD/pathfinder/whatever with because all they do is pull up a guide and obnoxiously min-max and/or "conveniently" know where the 1-time super rare thing spawns/drops and screws everyone else over.

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Does this mean japanese players never go into new alliance raids when there are no guides out? Or will they wait till NA or EU players made guides? If not, how do japanese players make guides if they can't go into the raid because no guides exist?

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First the japnese will hold a game show to determine who it is that will make a guide. Then that person will be sent alone into the Alliance Raid and be kept there until he manage to solo the entire place, while noting mechanics.

This is bait, but there are others who do think like this, so this is a reply for them.

Nobody's forcing you to play on a server or a data center where others care if new people have a good experience. I would hardly call cheering on new people and enjoying their honest reactions to going in blind selfish, too. Some of my best alliance raid runs are when everyone is waiting to see how the new person responds in alliance chat to X cool thing. We're old and jaded to it and it gives us a little bit back of that feeling of discovery from when it was fresh and new.

I'm looking forward to all the new people we're going to see in Void Ark for the first time soon.

This sounds like the Western tendency to put Japanese culture up on a pedestal and idolize it as if it is perfect and can do no wrong and the rest of us are uncivilized philistines in comparison. Which is bull. Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of good about Japanese culture, a lot that is worthy of admiration. But in the end they are flawed imperfect human beings just like the rest of us, and so their culture has it's ups and downs just like all other cultures. It just happens to be a different set of ups and downs. I'll grant the West may at times go a bit too far with self, but I personally will take it over enforced collectivism any day.

Ensuring that you understand at least the fundamentals of your rotation I think is critical and not taking the inclination nor the time to learn your job is disrespectful.

It isn't disrespectful, however, not to read upon and study the encounters beforehand, especially for those that want to experience the encounters for the first time without the spoilers involved. People shouldn't need to read a guide for every little encounter in the game. Now, if you're doing savage or extreme then yes, it is disrespectful not to read the mechanics beforehand.

Even though this is bait, there are absolutely people out there that unironically believe in what OP says. Imagine needing a guide for an alliance raid of all things - hell, I've seen some people try to say that people should look at dungeon guides before entering. Dungeon guides.

And while I do think it'd be a good idea to check out a guide for EX or higher content that you're delving into, it's definitely not necessary if you find a party that is okay going in blind. But to call it disrespectful, for alliance? lol. Lmao, even.

so many angry posters here is not a safe place to be will return after the smoke clears.

Ah.

Let's look the other side. You want people spoiler themselves for your comfort. Do not ask for empathy if you don't have it neither.

In a civilized society, people would never consider entering a 24-man raid without baking cookies for everyone, bringing fresh coffee and refreshing it after every boss. With fingernails that shine like Brute Justice. And a voice that is dark, like Cylva's past. They're fast, thorough and sharp as a tack. They pre-scout the instance and pick up the slack. We need a player with a short FAQ and a loooong walkthrough.

In Eastern societies like Japan it is disrespectful to make eye contact when talking to someone but here in the US it is respectful and shows you are listening. By saying it is rude for people to go in blind is saying only us who have been here on patch day get to enjoy an unknown raid, trial or dungeon when no guides or info is out or made. Patch days are super fun and I do not want to rob anyone of that same fun of going in blind on their first run.

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Originally Posted by tatatatatata

In Eastern societies like Japan, people do not want to disappoint their teammates. Therefore, they spend the time doing research, making sure that they know their rotations and the mechanics, and enter an alliance raid knowing the mechanics.

Unfortunately, it seems that many players in NA and EU do not care about other people’s time. The common sentiment is that:



This is you putting your own enjoyment over 7 other people’s enjoyment. It is what an individualistic and selfish culture promotes. Unfortunately, this will never change because it’s engrained in Western culture.

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What about the people who did it the first time when the patch came out? Do you think they were all trolls cause they did not datamine the game? :P Or what are you suggesting here? That if you dont play the game on the first week when the contect comes out then you are should not have the ability to have the same experiences as those people who did? Cause it kinda sounds like taht.

If people want to do it blind, they can, especially if they go by duty finder.

If it's party finder and PF says "know the mechs" its a completely different topic.

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Originally Posted by tatatatatata

In Eastern societies like Japan, people do not want to disappoint their teammates. Therefore, they spend the time doing research, making sure that they know their rotations and the mechanics, and enter an alliance raid knowing the mechanics.

Unfortunately, it seems that many players in NA and EU do not care about other people’s time. The common sentiment is that:



This is you putting your own enjoyment over 7 other people’s enjoyment. It is what an individualistic and selfish culture promotes. Unfortunately, this will never change because it’s engrained in Western culture.

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Um... I don't know maybe I'm selfish that I want to enjoy things I enter first time experience is amazing seeing it all fresh. On bosses I will ask for advice and stuff on in chat.. However I won't watch videos for first time.

Alliance Raid is for casuals. You cannot demand the minimum Extreme and Savage etiquette on something that is expected to be casual ilevel catch up. There's a reason Ex and Savage pf have to state they are "blind progs" while AR pf raids have to state they are complete duty already and to know the mechs.

But you know what great? You can absolutely avoid this entire problem by making your own PF with your exact expectations! You will find like minded people, I assure you. You are responsible for your own experience.

nope. good day

“I cannot BELIEVE that these people made a mistake! A MISTAKE?!?! In a video game!! Can you believe this AUDACITY!!? Have they not considered ME, the centre of the ENTIRE WORLD?!?! What about MY time?!! How inconsiderate!!!!”

It’s a game. Literally nothing bad happens in the world if you wipe. Stop being so self absorbed and calm down.

My troll sense is tingling. Where is it tingling? That's a SECRET!

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My troll sense is tingling. Where is it tingling? That's a SECRET!

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YOU KEEP IT IN THERE MISTER! Don't let Balmung change you like this!

Alliance raids and even normal 8 mans are so easy you can have half the group die multiple times on every fight and still win. You don't need to watch a guide for them.

Now if we were talking savage fights, maybe. But people tend to have statics for those.

No candy in alliance raids unless you brought enough for everyone.

JP DC ----> that way {thank you}

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Casual content is not difficult enough to justify watching a guide. You can go through basically all of it with half the people required knowing what they're doing

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No candy in alliance raids unless you brought enough for everyone.

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Well I did bring enough for everyone...but they will have to watch me eat all of it.

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Originally Posted by tatatatatata

In Eastern societies like Japan, people do not want to disappoint their teammates. Therefore, they spend the time doing research, making sure that they know their rotations and the mechanics, and enter an alliance raid knowing the mechanics.

Unfortunately, it seems that many players in NA and EU do not care about other people’s time. The common sentiment is that:



This is you putting your own enjoyment over 7 other people’s enjoyment. It is what an individualistic and selfish culture promotes. Unfortunately, this will never change because it’s engrained in Western culture.

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It's individualistic and selfish to wish someone to deprive themselves of a novel experience so you can get through content 15 seconds faster.

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Well I did bring enough for everyone...but they will have to watch me eat all of it.

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You and I are enemies now.

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You and I are enemies now.

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I'm fine with some PvP. So...clothes on or off?

Uhmm I play in a JP server and no they don't mind newbies coming in blind on Alliance Raids and even in other duties. Most would actually cheer for you and even ask the MT (since in JP DC Alliance B is default MT) to wait since there are newbies and would generally do a ready check before starting.

I came in all duties/raids without watching a guide 'coz I don't want to spoil the experience. Yes I died a lot of times but hey it's part of the experience. No one blames anyone for dying in duties here.

Owell? if I wanna go in blind and enjoy the raid my first time without spoiling it then I will. Sorry if this upsets you lol

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Originally Posted by tatatatatata

In Eastern societies like Japan, people do not want to disappoint their teammates. Therefore, they spend the time doing research, making sure that they know their rotations and the mechanics, and enter an alliance raid knowing the mechanics.

Unfortunately, it seems that many players in NA and EU do not care about other people’s time. The common sentiment is that:



This is you putting your own enjoyment over 7 other people’s enjoyment. It is what an individualistic and selfish culture promotes. Unfortunately, this will never change because it’s engrained in Western culture.

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Actually on JP servers people will wait for you to learn the mechanics.
Nobody expects you to be a top tier 1% raider that knows everything in the game.

The only people who push for you to go watch videos and know everything before stepping in are the toxic players that should be making speedrun parties if they don't wait to play with other people.

Alliance raids are casual content.

I originally created this recipe for my WoW character's cookbook. It's really good!

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Broke = Watching a guide for casual content
Woke = Watching a guide for savage+ content

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Broke = Watching a guide for casual content
Woke = Watching a guide for savage+ content

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...and when i do both ???? what then ? do i win ?

well, removing the stuff that is not worth mentioning in the OP initial text, i think there is an easy solution for that.

Some people LIKE to enter hard content blindly. Like, to see "what happens, how and when I die, how to avoid after some tries, etc, etc..." There is a lot of excitement for those people.

And there are that many people who value more their time and focus to have things done. For those, to watch tutorials is mandatory.

So, the solution is: make your own group (static) to go through such contents. Bring people like you to learn from try and error or to watch and study/practice every single step insde a fight.

To avoid frustations you have to learn from reality (what are the types of players about hard contents). And by avoiding to try to make everyone to be like you are. :)
Just find people akin to your playstyle and go with them.

if its a roulettes raid will just run and tear it up but if its savage then study up and be ready.

No thanks i love seeing people dying on basic mechanic, it boost my casual player ego !

So once new content comes out we will all wait for SE to publish a video guide for it, right. We wouldn't want our beloved streamers and youtubers to be disrepectful and go blind into any sort on new things, right? Learning is only for mortals anyways, right?