If you don't like being target for violating TOS...how about don't violate the TOS?

The anger come from people tolerating lack of QoL improvements by using 3rd part tools.

If they start enforcing those rules a LOT of anger is going to be directed at the devs for not providing official tools to replace them.

To the DEVS. Put up or shut up. Unless you can do better, stop trying to stop people.

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FIX AST.

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Yes please!

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Hilarious, saying I am "mentally ill" for not showing my FFLogs. It's actually quite disgusting and a totally inappropriate accusation when there are folks really struggling with mental illness. As these responses show, too many of you treat this GAME like it is a professional job. So maybe it is you all who need help? It truly is sad how your lives revolve around DPS numbers and high-end content like you're getting paid for it.

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crime is cool and good actually

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Hilarious, saying I am "mentally ill" for not showing my FFLogs. It's actually quite disgusting and a totally inappropriate accusation when there are folks really struggling with mental illness. As these responses show, too many of you treat this GAME like it is a professional job. So maybe it is you all who need help? It truly is sad how your lives revolve around DPS numbers and high-end content like you're getting paid for it.

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Bro. They never claimed you were mentally ill. They just said it clued them into your mentality. There’s a difference.

And to be honest. I wouldn’t want to raid with someone like you either. I don’t like being carried - and I definitely don’t like carrying casuals like yourself. Thankfully you seem to stay away from semi-hard content anyways so despite us sharing a data center the risk of me encountering you is minimal.

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Hilarious, saying I am "mentally ill" for not showing my FFLogs. It's actually quite disgusting and a totally inappropriate accusation when there are folks really struggling with mental illness. As these responses show, too many of you treat this GAME like it is a professional job. So maybe it is you all who need help? It truly is sad how your lives revolve around DPS numbers and high-end content like you're getting paid for it.

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Mental refers to your ability to function under pressure, and to keep your emotions under control. Tackling something like Ultimate or Savage content takes strong mental, because you have to be able to deal with being wiped or wiping the party 10-17 minutes into a complex fight, without letting it tilt you and affect subsequent pulls.

Someone like you, who can't discuss the concept of visible DPS numbers without emotionally flying off the handle, just doesn't fit into that kind of environment. People tend to want rational and mature players. No one wants to deal with someone who holds the group back, but is too volatile to approach about the problem. People don't even want to deal with that type of player in casual content either.

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crime is cool and good actually

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Stop right there criminal scum. Police! Guards! Call 911! Someone is illegally tabulating the damage numbers freely available in the battle log. I've been violated!

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Originally Posted by Semirhage

Stop right there criminal scum. Police! Guards! Call 911! Someone is illegally tabulating the damage numbers freely available in the battle log. I've been violated!

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Parsing is good for the sake of personal improvement, but I dislike the fact the FFLogs is an "opt out" service as opposed to "opt in" as it draws a lot more negative scrutiny from people then it would otherwise.

It creates skewed performance metrics when you have people who are not actively logging and having parses inconsistently uploaded by others regardless of how good/bad they are vs. people in statics who are actively logging but can choose to omit runs where they made mistakes or did worse that they felt comfortable showing. The latter is inherently going to look better even if in practice their actual average performance is identical.

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He, like a lot of the anti-plugin brigade, seem to mald especially hard about streamers adding chat bubbles or garish ambient occlusion to their game. They're doing it in public, and that just riles them up to no end despite it harming nobody.

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I don't care your stance on it. Don't do it. It's against the rules. Until the rule gets changed I'm going to report people when I see it. Sometimes it's not about how "harmless" something is. Things are often against the rules for a reason and being dismissive about it just makes you look spoiled and selfish. I'll gladly report anyone I see with it.

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Originally Posted by Nav_Fae

I don't care your stance on it. Don't do it. It's against the rules. Until the rule gets changed I'm going to report people when I see it. Sometimes it's not about how "harmless" something is. Things are often against the rules for a reason and being dismissive about it just makes you look spoiled and selfish. I'll gladly report anyone I see with it.

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Here's a little pin for you ! Well done, good girl, be proud of yourself. /Sarcasm off

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Here's a little pin for you ! Well done, good girl, be proud of yourself. /s

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Thank you! I am very proud! :D

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I don't care your stance on it. Don't do it. It's against the rules. Until the rule gets changed I'm going to report people when I see it. Sometimes it's not about how "harmless" something is. Things are often against the rules for a reason and being dismissive about it just makes you look spoiled and selfish. I'll gladly report anyone I see with it.

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Everyday I'm thankful I don't raid with people like this.

Every. Day.

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Everyday I'm thankful I don't raid with people like this.

Every. Day.

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You don't raid with people like this because people like this don't raid. The only people who care about being cops over plugins are those who not only don't care about being at a certain skill level, they find the idea that they have room to improve to be straight up offensive.

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Everyday I'm thankful I don't raid with people like this.

Every. Day.

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That's to bad. I'm sure we would get along really well :c

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You don't raid with people like this because people like this don't raid. The only people who care about being cops over plugins are those who not only don't care about being at a certain skill level, they find the idea that they have room to improve to be straight up offensive.

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You speak the absolute truth, Brother.

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That's to bad. I'm sure we would get along really well :c

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Do me a favor and stay away from serious content please. I beg of you.

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Originally Posted by xxmiamorecadenza

Do me a favor and stay away from serious content please. I beg of you.

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Why? I'm phase 4 of DSR. I don't see the issue here.

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Why? I'm phase 4 of DSR. I don't see the issue here.

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As long as you stay away from my parties, I'll make do.

Time to embrace em :3

Wheres my WeakAuras?! Pitbull?! Quartz?!

I think people throwing a fit over mods, etc. are very much wasting their energy ^^

We all live in this together, so be nicer to one another!

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I don't care your stance on it. Don't do it. It's against the rules. Until the rule gets changed I'm going to report people when I see it. Sometimes it's not about how "harmless" something is. Things are often against the rules for a reason and being dismissive about it just makes you look spoiled and selfish. I'll gladly report anyone I see with it.

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I hope you report people for Sleeping in a hotel room with someone of the opposite sex or flying a kite in public or sweeping dirt into the street, because rules exist for good reasons.

The anti-parser rule exists for one reason, and one reason only. It's been stated by YoshiP. FFXIV doesn't have damage parsers because ONE celebrity got harassed with low numbers ONE time years and years ago, and therefore parsers are evil and toxic and should never be allowed in the game.

So clearly, if someone's using one and not harassing anyone with it, that means it's EvilBadWrong and must be stopped. Because its existence is the problem.

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I hope you report people for Sleeping in a hotel room with someone of the opposite sex or flying a kite in public or sweeping dirt into the street, because rules exist for good reasons.

The anti-parser rule exists for one reason, and one reason only. It's been stated by YoshiP. FFXIV doesn't have damage parsers because ONE celebrity got harassed with low numbers ONE time years and years ago, and therefore parsers are evil and toxic and should never be allowed in the game.

So clearly, if someone's using one and not harassing anyone with it, that means it's EvilBadWrong and must be stopped. Because its existence is the problem.

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If it's against the rules I'll report. Not gonna change my stance on it.

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If it's against the rules I'll report. Not gonna change my stance on it.

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ABNER, ABNER! Something strange is going on over at the Stevens' house!

Okay Gladys Kravitz. Keep poking that old lady with binoculars nose into other peoples' business. They're definitely ruining your gaming experience by having fun over there.

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Why would I attempt to change a mind that's already proudly closed? You don't have a logical reason why it's against the rules, other than "because it's against the rules".

People who tattle on other people for victimless offenses that don't affect them in the slightest are obnoxious busybodies. And I'm not going to change my stance on that.

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So you're being condensing to me for disagreeing? How in what way is that acceptable behavior? You're trying to school me but are being kind of a jerk about it.

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Why should they bother trying to change your mind?

Your opinion won't change and neither will ours.

As long as we don't end up raiding with you - you can't try to report and boot us from the game. It's a win-win. You don't deal with potential parsers and we don't deal with you.

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You indirectly are confessing that you use third party tools.

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You indirectly are confessing that you use third party tools.

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Report me then - since you’re so eager to do so.

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So you're being condensing to me for disagreeing? How in what way is that acceptable behavior? You're trying to school me but are being kind of a jerk about it.

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Are you seriously clutching your pearls over someone being rude when you're saying you'll happily try to make others lose their characters and thousands of hours because they do something that doesn't affect you?

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Are you seriously clutching your pearls over someone being rude when you're saying you'll happily try to make others lose their characters and thousands of hours because they do something that doesn't affect you?

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YUP SURE AM!

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YUP SURE AM!

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YUP SURE AM!

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And the award for most toxic person on the forum tonight goes to...

Bruh. Someone made an Alt and whispered 'Reported' to me.

What a loser.

[ and i have an idea exactly who it was ]

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I could tell it was bait too.

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I could tell it was bait too.

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it was quite impressive really.
I couldn't stop laughing xD

If you think need to use third party programs to have edge over others just don't tell anyone or stream them being used. Just don't complain when you get caught using them.

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If you think need to use third party programs to have edge over others just don't tell anyone or stream them being used. Just don't complain when you get caught using them.

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Oh you can still stream with them just make sure you don't have any overlays showing. And if using one that does callouts, route the audio so it doesn't play on stream. Problem solved.

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Oh you can still stream with them just make sure you don't have any overlays showing. And if using one that does callouts, route the audio so it doesn't play on stream. Problem solved.

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Imma use Phil's words on this.
Don't be stupid, stupid.

Would you harass them... with a stick? (No, because (A) I don't want to harass anyone and (B) the harassment itself is against the ToS. Note: We don't need to outlaw sticks.)

Would you harass them... with a brick? (While that does sound potentially more violent, no, because the harassment itself is against the ToS. We don't need to outlaw bricks.)

Would you harass them... with your words? (No... Again, the the harassment itself is against the ToS. We don't need to outlaw... oh, wait, we already did in PvP, didn't we? How'd that go, pray tell?)

Would you harass them... with a guide? (No! While it might make sense to ask someone to watch a guide before joining a PF group that specifically says "Watch/read a guide before joining," if that somehow turns into harassment, that harassment itself is already against the ToS. You do not need to specify the context or instrument of that harassment beyond anything that what would, by common sense, make the act harassment.)

Would you harass them... with your glamour? (...Christ on a bike.)

Would you harass them... with a parser? (You know what, by golly, there's just something about seeing numbers on a screen in a bar that goes from left to right, but isn't my cast bar nor any of these HP bars, that just makes me want to wreck someone's day. I can't help it. It's just so rage- and judgment-sparking. Please, please, get these numbers away from me; I lose all sense, tact, self-control, and even my life goals in their presence. No, not those ones; those are fine. No, no, not those either. These ones--these ones here, officer. I know they look like the others, but these ones here are inherently evil. So, yes, though I'd never have harassed anyone before, a parser would uniquely give me both the motive to do so, even if I'd have umpteen other means to do so without it if I had so wished -- which, without the presence of that parser, I wouldn't.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSLlZh9yelk

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Parsing is good for the sake of personal improvement, but I dislike the fact the FFLogs is an "opt out" service as opposed to "opt in" as it draws a lot more negative scrutiny from people then it would otherwise.

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I understand that to have enough samples for data, they pretty well need the logs themselves to be "opt out" rather than "opt in," but... why not at least have them be anonymous by default (until that, at least, is opted in)? The feature's right there; why wasn't it made the baseline? /sigh