Update 6 on Lotttery

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

The number of people who win a house and who have withdrawn their gil is going to be very small. In addition some will pay when the time comes. It is a perfect solution no but given the issues of getting an npc ready the alternative would have been to hold up the lottery rounds until 6.2 and that's not going to happen. It's already taken way to long to get this issue resolved hopefully on the 16th.

Lets hope there aren't any additional issues then.

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This isn't true, I know a ton of '0' winners who didint refund out of fear, with the news that refunding = a free house, now refunding.

it will be a very large amount in some wards with free houses.

Not that im opposed to this but im being honest here. This update was a big roundabout way of SE saying those effected by the '0' bug will get their house for free, in a very PR flowery way. As much as I see it as the only choice they could make, this will make up a large amount of affected '0' plots.

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Originally Posted by WillIrishclover

This isn't true, I know a ton of '0' winners who didint refund out of fear, with the news that refunding = a free house, now refunding.

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So you're saying people can still get refunds? I believe that refund period is over and the system is locked down. I can't personally test it given the house I bid on didn't get the zero bug.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

So you're saying people can still get refunds? I believe that refund period is over and the system locked down. I can't personally test it given the house I bid on didn't get the zero bug.

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Yes you can still get refunds, the refund period is not over nor was it ever frozen, all that was frozen was the next lottery date, Refunds are on a 5 to 6 month timer, multiple people on reddit have confirmed that they have now refunded after this news.

edit- Let me just underline this, right now anyone who hasn't refunded on their '0' plot is in a position of walking away from a free house, that is going to be a very very small minority by the 16th.

Seems really unfair that those who paid get nothing back, while others get a house for free cos of SE mess up. Im in a small FC and took months to get the gil together for a medium house. People should have to pay at the placard or recind their win. That would be fair.

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Originally Posted by ryo0123

他人の得を自分の損として計上するのは精神衛生上よくないと思いますよ。

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I don't think it's good for your mental health to see other people's gains as your loss.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

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I don't think it's good for your mental health to see other people's gains as your loss.

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I agree up to a point but it must be a bitter pill to swallow if you lost the lottery. Someone gets the house you wanted for free and next round you have to pay for yours if you win.
So I can understand why people are upset.

The solution they've come up with is the least worst option, but it's far from ideal.

What is the general feeling on the Japanese Forum though? Is everyone being philisophical about it or are feelings running high there too?

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Originally Posted by Solarra

I agree up to a point but it must be a bitter pill to swallow if you lost the lottery. Someone gets the house you wanted for free and next round you have to pay for yours if you win.
So I can understand why people are upset.

The solution they've come up with is the least worst option, but it's far from ideal.

What is the general feeling on the Japanese Forum though? Is everyone being philisophical about it or are feelings running high there too?

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I think of it the other way. I look at the gil from it as the way of compensation for the issue existing in the first place. Nobody including those that now benefits from it wanted the #O bug. All of them would rather pay the price and get their house right away instead of being forced to wait unknown amount of time unsure if they even got it (because that also wasn't clear unless you were the only bidder).

And ultimately it doesn't matter. Those who lost on the bidding wouldn't get the house anyway? Why does it matter that the other side got it for free or not? Those who didn't win lost nothing.

EW seems to be my lucky xpack in most bizarre and inflammatory fashion.

Earlier: release delay enabled me comfortably to go visit my friend, only chance I got last year, to other side of the country and come back home to enjoy the week one with everyone else. Otherwise my visit would have gracelessly landed on launch week.

Now, with Empyreum housing: I enlisted my FC buddy to help try upgrade my alt FCs house from small to medium. We put 2 tickets, all of our fc money at that time on nifty little med house and waited. 0 bug hit. We were the only 2 participants.

Since I have house for that FC already, I just thought "well, I guess it was not meant to be", asked my friend to take out the money and just move on. Next chance will come.

Sooner than I thought, though. Since some people had been able to relo to Empyreum, I noticed there was even nicer plot now free on one of the old housing wards. But by now the FC had money for 3rd ticket, so I enlisted another fc friend by bribing her with new teacup emote (first friend got mogstation emote too when bribery entered in game, no worries).

Now it looks like the originally bid Empyreum house is free(???), + I have made money for 4th ticket, and my dye mule will buy that one I guess. So if it is only possible, I think I'll accept the Empyreum plot as failsafe upgrade, and try my luck with that nicer old housing ward plot. Yay... °˖✧◝(⁰▿⁰)◜✧˖°

Since my scheme is so evil I am also highly considering tossing some money to that 6.2 NPC... if I have any left at that point.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

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I don't think it's good for your mental health to see other people's gains as your loss.

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When it comes to a limited resource like houses other people's gains are quite literally your loss.

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Originally Posted by Azuri

When it comes to a limited resource like houses other people's gains are quite literally your loss.

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Then you lost the moment the RNG decided to not pick you. People who won't get the house now wouldn't get it even if there was no bug. Regardless of if SE decided to somehow deduct the Gil or not those who didn't win the lottery wouldn't get the house.The only gain those affected by bug have is Gil. Whether it's a substantial gain or not is up to anyone's interpretation

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Originally Posted by Jaquan

Then you lost the moment the RNG decided to not pick you. People who won't get the house now wouldn't get it even if there was no bug. Regardless of if SE decided to somehow deduct the Gil or not those who didn't win the lottery wouldn't get the house.The only gain those affected by bug have is Gil. Whether it's a substantial gain or not is up to anyone's interpretation

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The gil that can easily be lended to friends for future lotteries and increase competition for everyone else? ;)

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Originally Posted by Azuri

The gil that can easily be lended to friends for future lotteries and increase competition for everyone else? ;)

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Or spent on 500k dyes or whatever other stuff. Whatever tickles someone's fancy.

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Originally Posted by Solarra

What is the general feeling on the Japanese Forum though? Is everyone being philisophical about it or are feelings running high there too?

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It's a lively conversation hitting about 15 pages so far. Lively to the point the moderators have stepped in and deleted some posts.

The views are wide, varied, and on this topic, the NA and JP forums are surprisingly close. If Yoshi-P was to read that thread, he would see an echo of every single one of our points.

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Originally Posted by Azuri

When it comes to a limited resource like houses other people's gains are quite literally your loss.

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Then demand SE fix the situation so it's no longer a finite resource rather than get angry at your fellow gamer for having a little more luck.

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Originally Posted by Nepentha

Then demand SE fix the situation so it's no longer a finite resource rather than get angry at your fellow gamer for having a little more luck.

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bold of you to assume we dont also advocate for instanced housing

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Originally Posted by MaeveHatesHousing

bold of you to assume we dont also advocate for instanced housing

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Funny I've been on this forum for quite some time doing just that and I /just/ now see you speaking up at all. And just screaming about people getting their houses for free this round, the horror.

Not a bold assumption at all.

ppl are withdrawing their deposits as far as i'm aware, assuming they will get the house anyway. I just hope they will actually get it instead of some another thing occurs that's gonna make into an another clusterfak of problems.

Maybe make the house free up until patch 6.2, then you must pay the NPC to keep it or lose the home back to the lottery.

I'm kind of ambivalent about this issue. I mean, change the outcome one way or another and it still does not solve the core issue of there being not enough housing. For all the nerve-wracking grief that bidders on the Zero-bug plots went through, I don't really mind them getting some compensation. Could this have been handled better? Most certainly. It seems that the developers are fumbling around a bit. In the end though, the most important issue is making housing more plentiful for all. The Lottery solved the issue of fair access. Now we need more housing to meet the demand.

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Originally Posted by Arazehl

Maybe make the house free up until patch 6.2, then you must pay the NPC to keep it or lose the home back to the lottery.

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Seems they don't want to waste developer time making the database to track it, and all the coding to deal with payment and crossing names off the list, and the GM trouble if a FC member leaves the FC and maliciously doesn't pay.... plus a million other edge cases - along with the QA to ensure that nothing went wrong and innocent people's homes weren't destroyed. I mean, imagine a bug where someone who held a large for years and years lost it, because they didn't pay!

I guess it's a case of :- do you want more playable content in the next patch, or instead the Devs to put all that time and effort into reclaiming money instead?

im pretty sure i was the only bidder on my medium and got the 0 bug but did do the refund !!
i think ill still pay my money for it anyway its only fair !!

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Originally Posted by Arazehl

Maybe make the house free up until patch 6.2, then you must pay the NPC to keep it or lose the home back to the lottery.

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It is a social eksperiment as well, and a way to spot out who wil hit and run and who will just cough up, the gil was ear marked for the purchase anyway.

And personally I would have a hard time inviting a person into my FC, that take the more dishonest route.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Seems they don't want to waste developer time making the database to track it, and all the coding to deal with payment and crossing names off the list, and the GM trouble if a FC member leaves the FC and maliciously doesn't pay.... plus a million other edge cases - along with the QA to ensure that nothing went wrong and innocent people's homes weren't destroyed. I mean, imagine a bug where someone who held a large for years and years lost it, because they didn't pay!

I guess it's a case of :- do you want more playable content in the next patch, or instead the Devs to put all that time and effort into reclaiming money instead?

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Am I crazy to think there is/should be a separate group of developers for housing that focus on that vice the devs that work on all the other things in the patches? That being said, I don't think the dev team is capable of programming a system like that to work and not be all jacked up anyway...

Here is what I found the funniest thing out of all this:

Everyone screams for some type of entitlement 'compensation' when something happens in the game, yet when the same thing happens, everyone cries 'foul' about doing exactly that. It's the best part of this entire debacle.

Doesn't matter what side of the argument you sit on, NOT everyone is going to be happy. Housing in this game is going to remain a hot topic in this game until the core issue is fixed (availability).

Some cry it should only be for FC's, other's cry it should be for everyone, other's cry it should only be for personal's. There's simply a lack of supply and until that issue is resolved (not going to be anytime soon), people will remain unhappy and even then you're going to have fringe types on each end. Better to please the majority 80% rather than the fringe folks.

What is done is done, time everyone moved on from this.

Getting the houses out to their rightful winners is the #1 priority. People have had to wait over a month for their results, and it would be ridiculous to delay things any further for the sole purpose of making sure to take their gil.

If you were lucky enough to win a house in a non-bugged plot, then be thankful for that. You have been able to to enjoy your house for the past month without needing to deal with the drama and uncertainty of having a glitched plot. It is not your place to judge what happens to the gil of the winners of these plots.

The few who got their houses have now had a month. A month to grow their gardens, build their submarines and other things in the FC workshop. The ones stuck with the bug will never get ahead of that market curve.

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Originally Posted by Pablomaldito

Getting the houses out to their rightful winners is the #1 priority. People have had to wait over a month for their results, and it would be ridiculous to delay things any further for the sole purpose of making sure to take their gil.

If you were lucky enough to win a house in a non-bugged plot, then be thankful for that. You have been able to to enjoy your house for the past month without needing to deal with the drama and uncertainty of having a glitched plot. It is not your place to judge what happens to the gil of the winners of these plots.

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100% this.

While I understand that people who legitimately won their plots will be a bit miffed about having to pay gil while others are potentially getting houses for free, the whole thing just reeks of sour grapes to me. The compensation of free housing is just that - compensation from Square to say "We shit the bed, we're sorry." and that should be fine. As for the gil itself, it'd only get removed from the game anyway - which is the intention of houses in the first place, an endgame gil sink for people with more gil than they know what to do with; and if you play for a couple of years at least you'll fall into this camp pretty fast because the game has a way of just throwing gil at you without a lot to spend it on. Ultimately the result of this is a couple hundred million gil floating around each server that'll probably be spent on furniture because players are feeling flush and will be wanting to splash cash on nice expensive housing glams. If I were one of these people who got a house a month ago, instead of moaning about how unfair it is, I'd be crafting and looking to capitalise.

Well, I guess in the end maybe the fairest you can get is everyone is unhappy for one reason or another.

This housing system is so flawed. It's really unfortunate.

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Originally Posted by XiXiQ

The few who got their houses have now had a month. A month to grow their gardens, build their submarines and other things in the FC workshop. The ones stuck with the bug will never get ahead of that market curve.

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Well those that didn't win also had to wait a month and now have nothing to show for it at all except a month of wasted hope., didn't even get a free house out of the deal they just get told to fuck off and try again against a now ever insurmountable set of odds.

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Originally Posted by Pablomaldito

Getting the houses out to their rightful winners is the #1 priority. People have had to wait over a month for their results, and it would be ridiculous to delay things any further for the sole purpose of making sure to take their gil.

If you were lucky enough to win a house in a non-bugged plot, then be thankful for that. You have been able to to enjoy your house for the past month without needing to deal with the drama and uncertainty of having a glitched plot. It is not your place to judge what happens to the gil of the winners of these plots.

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those that didnt win have now had to deal with the drama and pain of having not won a plot, now having to face ever worse odds to get a house, and dont even have "free gil" to show for it.

sorry buddy. i dont care about those that had to wait a month for their house because in the end at least they have a house. i'm now stuck fighting 500 people instead of 5 for a plot.

I am incredibly disappointed with this fix. I'm probably in that small group (or maybe not that small?) that left my money in the lot, in the belief that Square would fix this issue. And now, here we are. Sure, I have my house, but why do some players get theirs for free? It just doesn't sit right.

It's just misstep after misstep.

The lottery as it was conceived was a band aid on a bullet wound. The lottery as it was implemented was a defective band aid on a bullet wound. They've already spent a whole month fixing the band aid. Do you really want them to waste more time on that stupid band aid? It's not going to help you in any way if they manage to perfect their band aid and collect some gil from the winners.

I hate the housing sytem. I lost my lottery too (though I didn't need to wait a month to know). I know exactly what awaits my future housing prospects under the current system. In round 2, we're probably going to see nearly a hundred bidders per house. Subsequent rounds will be even worse until they open up the smalls in the FC wards to personal buyers. At that point, we may see odds as "good" as round 1 (10% chance is "good" in this horrible system lol). But after everything fills and we go to the usual 1 or 2 houses available every week, it's gonna be hundreds or thousands of bids per house. 0.1% lotteries, here we come!

If you don't get a house in these initial rounds, then it is reasonable to assume that you will never get a house. The numbers are just so staggering. I hope more and more people realize that as the lotteries go on, and that hatred for the housing system increases among the player population. But wasting time trying to collect some gil solves nothing for any of us. We need the lotteries to start running again so that we can see those horrible 1000 bidder rounds and the much deserved drama and hatred that they will inevitably generate.

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Originally Posted by Pablomaldito

The lottery as it was conceived was a band aid on a bullet wound. The lottery as it was implemented was a defective band aid on a bullet wound. They've already spent a whole month fixing the band aid. Do you really want them to waste more time on that stupid band aid? It's not going to help you in any way if they manage to perfect their band aid and collect some gil from the winners.

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No, I don't expect them to waste more time, the housing lottery needed to be re-started asap. They have had enough time and it's incredibly disappointing that this is their fix. It's just not right that Square-Enix are allowing some to receive their house for free, potentially allowing some players to receive a boost of 20-50m gil. I don't know what the solution is. No-one is happy, except those that got their house first (especially in the new DC) or, I suppose now, those that won the lottery and get to keep their gil.

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Originally Posted by ChrysOCE

I am incredibly disappointed with this fix. I'm probably in that small group (or maybe not that small?) that left my money in the lot, in the belief that Square would fix this issue. And now, here we are. Sure, I have my house, but why do some players get theirs for free? It just doesn't sit right.

It's just misstep after misstep.

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It is just gil, and saying what you are saying.. is like showing that you are dishonest and would just run with the bank.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

It is just gil, and saying what you are saying.. is like showing that you are dishonest and would just run with the bank.

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How am I dishonest, when I left my gil in the lot? I didn't take the refund, I paid for my house.

Sure it's just gil, which you can use to get furnishings, glamour, dyes, materia. I'm not saying I want my house for free. I'm saying everyone should pay for their house. If they want to provide some measure of compensation, for all of this, an optional payment only for those that took the refund, when they won their house, isn't it.

Put all houses affected by the bug on a demolition timer that starts with the NPC's added and won't stop until plot's paid for or time runs out. I can't see them going back on their voluntary repayment statement, but damn if it wouldn't be a great way to force people to pay and entertaining to see the salt generated by that feature being announced.

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Originally Posted by Illmaeran

Put all houses affected by the bug on a demolition timer that starts with the NPC's added and won't stop until plot's paid for or time runs out. I can't see them going back on their voluntary repayment statement, but damn if it wouldn't be a great way to force people to pay and entertaining to see the salt generated by that feature being announced.

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Now this I can get behind :)