Put Crystal Tower into MSQ roulette

I'm sure having 24 man instances and 4 man instances in the same pool is going to end well.

Well this would definitely prevent getting circus tower in alliance roulette, that's for sure.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

That could work, but considering how old those raids are, it might actually be easier to just redo the fights like they did with Castrum, Prae, and Ultimate Weapon. They definitely can't throw them in the main story roulette, as the OP suggests. Especially after they finally fixed it in a way that most players seem to be ok with. There are also mechanics in those raids that are severely outdated; such as players losing control of their characters in fights like Scylla and Amon. Lastly, as you suggested, they sync the ilv so the mechanics remain relevant. Xande, and Cloud of Darkness in particular should not be pushovers like they are now. These beings lore wise, are some of the most powerful the WoL has faced.

This would undoubtedly lengthen the time to get through the CT raids, but oh well. It also keeps players from naked queuing into it.

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Actually got Sircus Tower today and noticed they changed the markers on the last boss to match the standardized stack marker they used later. So at least baby steps are being made to update this old content lol.

People would just cheese the next alliance raid.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Honestly, just fix the item level sync so we're not horribly outgearing LOTA and ST and see how many people remember any of the old mechanics. Or how many people remember Glasya Labolas has mechanics at all.

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Obligatory "look at how they massacred my boy" here, Glasya was my fave boss in ST and now we never see the bouncy castle part :(

On topic otherwise, I'd like to not run CT Roulette and actually get something else while I'm leveling alt jobs so I can actually learn rotations past lv50. I'd be down with this so it's not just "will we see Livia, Gaius, or the Ultima Weapon today?" and have a little more in there, or at least make it less annoying to get something other than ST or WoD constantly.

Most often it’s CT or Void Ark.

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Originally Posted by UkcsAlias

Another solution would be to make the rewards scale towards the ilvl of gear you enter with, vs the lvl of the msq (avoids a lvl 70 that is still in HW to be punished severely). Stripping down would on that just negate any bonus and it becomes more rewarding to just go with the best gear you have. But again, this is already more work than just placing an ilvl restriction on the raids

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It would also need to take into account the job level queued as because a level 50 does not have access to gear with the proper ilvl for the Mhachi raids. That's adding a lot of complexity which tends to be risky but it's also hard to explain. How are do you propose to inform the player they're not getting the full payout? We're already being spammed with enough warnings that I just dismiss them without reading on the assumption it's something I've read before.

That still doesn't solve the problem that running the other raids is not attractive enough for whatever reason. Personally I just don't run the a-raid roulette unless my friends want company and most of them haven't logged in in months.

It's frustrating that I only get ct but putting it into the msq roulette makes zero sense. No, they must find an alternate solution.

I haven't seen a single LotA or ST since I'm back from my break, which was a month ago. I got a lot of Nier lately.
Does it mean we have less sprouts and refugees? Or I am just insanely lucky?

I don't think sticking three 24-man alliance raids into the 4-man MSQ roulette queue will solve the problem as people will just find ways to cheese that. The solution is to rebalance Crystal Tower, and even the Heavensward alliance raids to an extent, so they take as long as Ivalice and newer raids do. Since Endwalker has released, the 50/60 alliance raids are easily twice as fast as the other alliance raids which is why people are abusing the system so much.

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Originally Posted by Johners

I don't think sticking three 24-man alliance raids into the 4-man MSQ roulette queue will solve the problem as people will just find ways to cheese that. The solution is to rebalance Crystal Tower, and even the Heavensward alliance raids to an extent, so they take as long as Ivalice and newer raids do. Since Endwalker has released, the 50/60 alliance raids are easily twice as fast as the other alliance raids which is why people are abusing the system so much.

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By far not the only reason CT raids happen more often. Preventing ilvl cheese will have far less of an impact than many people wish for.

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Originally Posted by Johners

I don't think sticking three 24-man alliance raids into the 4-man MSQ roulette queue will solve the problem as people will just find ways to cheese that. The solution is to rebalance Crystal Tower, and even the Heavensward alliance raids to an extent, so they take as long as Ivalice and newer raids do. Since Endwalker has released, the 50/60 alliance raids are easily twice as fast as the other alliance raids which is why people are abusing the system so much.

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They would just do exactly what they are doing now. Only in this case, they'd get a huge XP buff for doing it, because MSQ roulette gives way more XP than Alliance roulette.

It's not fixing the problem. It's shifting it from one roulette to another.

Like I said. If you can't change gear while in a raid, they have to run the raid naked and likely get vote-kicked as a result. That's a better solution.

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Originally Posted by Thorio

It's frustrating that I only get ct but putting it into the msq roulette makes zero sense. No, they must find an alternate solution.

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The solution would be to actually level synch you. The current version is a joke.

Put that and Scyrus in there.
No one ever gets the other raids but in a Blue Moon
because people keep cheesing the ilvl thing.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I used to play on Crystal and would mostly get the Stormblood and Heavensward raids because people wanted to unlock bozja or do the Zadnor relic quests. I still get all of them evenly. I would say that I get ARR, Heavensward, Stormblood and Shadowbringers at a rate of 25% each.

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I mostly heal for the roulettes, and I've gotten CT raids for Alliance almost every day since I started playing last summer. On rare occasions I'll get the one with the airship that knocks half the raid off, and a few times in the past couple weeks I've gotten Paradigm's breach. I haven't even seen any of the ivalice stuff in months, not to mention the raids I haven't seen at all since I unlocked them without having to queue for them directly.

For me personally, the roulettes is more about getting random content that I DON'T SEE EVERY DAY than it is about the rewards. Constantly getting the same ones makes me want to play something else.

Are you asking for tower to be taken out of alliance raid roulette and put into msq or for tower to be in both? If the former, then no, I strip down for alliance raid but I still want two dungeons over just labyrinth, a tiny variety beats none, and if both, then how are you going to fit in a 24 man raid along side 4 man dungeons? Tower ain't even actual msq, what exactly are you asking for? Are you asking them to remake crystal tower into a 4 man msq?

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Originally Posted by Droxybrobotnik

Are you asking for tower to be taken out of alliance raid roulette and put into msq or for tower to be in both? If the former, then no, I strip down for alliance raid but I still want two dungeons over just labyrinth, a tiny variety beats none, and if both, then how are you going to fit in a 24 man raid along side 4 man dungeons? Tower ain't even actual msq, what exactly are you asking for? Are you asking them to remake crystal tower into a 4 man msq?

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Then you are part of the problem and can piss off.

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

Then you are part of the problem and can piss off.

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Sorry that I'm trying to be time efficient, I play this game for myself lmao

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Originally Posted by Droxybrobotnik

Sorry that I'm trying to be time efficient, I play this game for myself lmao

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So you are actually proud of being a selfish asshat?

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

So you are actually proud of being a selfish asshat?

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I'm proud of not being you. Good day ^^

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Originally Posted by Droxybrobotnik

I'm proud of not being you. Good day ^^

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So you're proud of not being someone who actually cares about other people?

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Originally Posted by Valfreyja

They would just do exactly what they are doing now. Only in this case, they'd get a huge XP buff for doing it, because MSQ roulette gives way more XP than Alliance roulette.

It's not fixing the problem. It's shifting it from one roulette to another.

Like I said. If you can't change gear while in a raid, they have to run the raid naked and likely get vote-kicked as a result. That's a better solution.

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You can put low level gear, queue and get back to your real gear before entering.

You can abuse loot/combat to avoid kick in Alliances raids very easily.

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Originally Posted by Jybril

Put that and Scyrus in there.
No one ever gets the other raids but in a Blue Moon
because people keep cheesing the ilvl thing.

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Am sure it has nothing to do with the fact you need only 1 59 and below or 1 person with only CT unlock to get CT and 24 60+ with HW Alliance unlocked/ 70+ with SB Alliance unlocked/ 80+ with ShB Alliance unlocked to get HW/SB/ShB Alliances.

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Originally Posted by Scaramouche

Am sure it has nothing to do with the fact you need only 1 59 and below or 1 person with only CT unlock to get CT and 24 60+ with HW Alliance unlocked/ 70+ with SB Alliance unlocked/ 80+ with ShB Alliance unlocked to get HW/SB/ShB Alliances.

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Or somebody needs to direct queue for ST because Khloe wants a bedtime story.

For me, it doesn't matter which raid I get. I get the 'HomeWork' feel no matter which Alliance raid I get. It's just like leveling roulette. It doesn't become fun just because you get different dubgeons/raids. Even Savage raids become stale after 6 weeks or so.

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Originally Posted by Droxybrobotnik

Tower ain't even actual msq

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Tower is actually MSQ, or at least it was when I did it lol. It was required to progress in MSQ. Maybe I'm misremembering though

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Originally Posted by Padudu

Tower is actually MSQ, or at least it was when I did it lol. It was required to progress in MSQ. Maybe I'm misremembering though

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No you're not, it was made pretty necessary since Shadowbringers. Can't even progress through the last patch of ARR without it completed.

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Originally Posted by GeminiReed

Or somebody needs to direct queue for ST because Khloe wants a bedtime story.

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A buddy of mine recently did two shb relics. That's another 30 syrcus tower runs happening because of a single person.

Honestly just make Alliance Roulette the same as Expert.

To keep it unlocked you must do the required raids at 60/70/80/90 when you reach that point and lock it to the minimum ilvl of the highest raid at the time. So example you just turned 70. Alliance Roulette doesn't unlock until you've cleared Orbonne and meet its minimum ilvl requirements.

Alternatively, let me queue for more than 5 pieces of content at a time so I can click more raids to simulate a roulette minus CT.

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

No you're not, it was made pretty necessary since Shadowbringers. Can't even progress through the last patch of ARR without it completed.

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Can't progress without Titan/Ifrit/Garuda Hard mode doesn't make them MSQ.

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Originally Posted by ASkellington

Honestly just make Alliance Roulette the same as Expert.

To keep it unlocked you must do the required raids at 60/70/80/90 when you reach that point and lock it to the minimum ilvl of the highest raid at the time. So example you just turned 70. Alliance Roulette doesn't unlock until you've cleared Orbonne and meet its minimum ilvl requirements.

Alternatively, let me queue for more than 5 pieces of content at a time so I can click more raids to simulate a roulette minus CT.

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Yes. Id say before you can finish the last quest of an expension it should be mandatory to finish the side stuff... it my lv 50-80 roulett got me ala mhigo 7 times in row...

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Originally Posted by Scaramouche

Can't progress without Titan/Ifrit/Garuda Hard mode doesn't make them MSQ.

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If you can't proceed with the MSQ without completing it, then it's part of the MSQ.

Specifically for Crystal Tower, it does set up some major plot elements for Shadowbringers, so yes, it very much is part of the MSQ now.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

If you can't proceed with the MSQ without completing it, then it's part of the MSQ.

Specifically for Crystal Tower, it does set up some major plot elements for Shadowbringers, so yes, it very much is part of the MSQ now.

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To progress 2.5 you need to complete CT and Ifrit/Titan/Garuda

Either both should be msq or none.

Also msq roulette always been last instances of 2.0

If msq means mandatory for the main quest then you can add sastasha, tam tara, copperbell, ifrit, totorak, haukke, Brayflox, Stone vigil, Garuda, king mog, leviathan, Shiva, keeper of the lake, snowcloak, ramuh, etc.. They are all part of msq and are required to progress.

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Originally Posted by Scaramouche

To progress 2.5 you need to complete CT and Ifrit/Titan/Garuda

Either both should be msq or none.

Also msq roulette always been last instances of 2.0

If msq means mandatory for the main quest then you can add sastasha, tam tara, copperbell, ifrit, totorak, haukke, Brayflox, Stone vigil, Garuda, king mog, leviathan, Shiva, keeper of the lake, snowcloak, ramuh, etc.. They are all part of msq and are required to progress.

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This just feels like semantics. "It shouldn't be in MSQ because other things that are required to progress the MSQ aren't in there." "MSQ roulette has always been the last instances of 2.0." Well, yeah. But those aren't arguments against putting CT into MSQ, it's an argument for keeping things the same.

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Originally Posted by game_enjoyer

I'm not sure how it is on other data centers, but on Crystal, alliance raid roulette has just become Crystal Tower roulette. People will strip to get a guaranteed CT run simply because they want the XP and don't want to run anything with even slightly complicated mechanics.

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You don't say...

Judging from the prevailing opinion on all the other threads, everyone is bored and leaving the because the game has become way too easy! How could it be possible that players are skewing towards the simpler mechanics if they hate how easy the game has become? In all seriousness, though, players are clearly voting with their in-game choices. Trying to funnel them into content that goes against their preferences will only result in funneling them right out of the game. This is why I'm playing this game every day now and not WoW.

Wouldnt the duty roulette push everyone not ilvl cheesing into non crystal tower raids (if there are any)? Naturally you have progressively longer queue times with each level increase. A longer queued party should get priority on members if I understood the duty finder correctly so if you yourself arent ilvl cheesing you should get those non crystal tower raids more often then if no one was ilvl cheesing. Atleast this checks out with my experience with alliance roulette. (shouts out to that one dude who abandoned duty first in paradigm's breach but was able to use duty finder again before I could because that raid just takes that long)

Yes, oh god I mean Hydaelyn yes please.

Won't happen unless they make them 4 man duties. All the MSQ duties for the roulette is 4 man now.