Yoshi P... Please dont listen to subscribers!

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Originally Posted by viion

Yoshi dont listen to your Subscribers! Especially the guy who said this! Dont listen to him!

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...162#post675162
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...430#post651430
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trollfailz

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The end, can this topic be locked now?

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Originally Posted by viion

Yoshi dont listen to your Subscribers! Especially the guy who said this! Dont listen to him!

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...162#post675162
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...430#post651430
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trollfailz

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hahahahahahaha

I'm going to be in the credits /joy

I can claim all the good parts of the game are there because I posted in the general discussion forum.

I agree with OP. Everybody comes on the forum to whine about something they want, something they dont want, or something they saw in another game. While some ideas are good and need to be weighted, 95% of posters are just selfish haters and obvious trolls like in this thread trying to discredit OP.

I hope the forum managers do their job making a synthesis of the good ideas and people's opinion, and do not send too much nerf this nerf that to the devs.

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Originally Posted by Silma

I agree with OP. Everybody comes on the forum to whine about something they want, something they dont want, or something they saw in another game. While some ideas are good and need to be weighted, 95% of posters are just selfish haters and obvious trolls like in this thread trying to discredit OP.

I hope the forum managers do their job making a synthesis of the good ideas and people's opinion, and do not send too much nerf this nerf that to the devs.

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Exactly.. there is an distinct difference between Opinions and Good ideas that work when sorting out the good and the bad.

its fine to listen, but not everything the community writes is good

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Originally Posted by GinTama

its fine to listen, but not everything the community writes is good

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That's mostly subjective. I mean yeah. There are some obvious ideas that just won't work with the game, but everyone here is genuinely interested in improving the game the way they see fit. Otherwise they would be wasting 10 bucks a month trying to ruin an already damaged game.
Simply labeling someone as a troll just says to me that you're not willing to give differing opinions a second thought.

I find the mixed messages we're sending highly amusing. Top 2 threads: "Yoshi P, listen to your subscribers" and "Yoshi P, don't listen to your subscribers!"

Sends SE a very clear message, "We're morons!"

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Originally Posted by Denmo

Sends SE a very clear message, "We're morons!"

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Just because people disagree, it doesn't mean they are morons.

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Originally Posted by Daku_Naito

Just because people disagree, it doesn't mean they are morons.

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Tis a joke, sarge. These threads need to lighten up.

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Originally Posted by Denmo

Tis a joke, sarge. These threads need to lighten up.

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Yes, I got the joke lol.

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Originally Posted by vageta666

not to sound like an arse but players are really screwing this game up. with their lil wants and whines about stuff and the devs and yoshida trying to please these whiners is really messing up the game. Yoshi P has an awsome understanding of mmos and how they should play and evolve. just let the devs and yoshi do their magic people!!! FOR GOD SAKES MAN!!! its not fun when u know whats comming because suggestions are all over the forum and they usually are lame and have no real significance to the game. NUFF SAID!!

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Yoshi doesn't know anything. He is looking at WoW and imitating, meanwhile every game coming out this year is already evolving beyond that.

But I think these forums have a strong right-wing FFXI bias, and that's hurting the game as much as anything else. It validates the development team's antiquated point of view on combat mechanics etc.

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Originally Posted by bobbygunz

Yoshi doesn't know anything. He is looking at WoW and imitating, meanwhile every game coming out this year is already evolving beyond that.

But I think these forums have a strong right-wing FFXI bias, and that's hurting the game as much as anything else. It validates the development team's antiquated point of view on combat mechanics etc.

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So the people in the forums like FFXI, so the devs are listening and doing more FFXI stuff, yet Yoshi-P is imitating WoW? I don't get it. It would be stupid for any developer to not follow some of the good in WoW, it was very popular. I think Yoshi-P has done well, and there isn't any evidence against so.

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Originally Posted by Daku_Naito

It would be stupid for any developer to not follow some of the good in WoW, it was very popular.

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AND it still exists. We need to bring people in by being original. Why would they want to subscribe to a game that does what the biggest game does for no extra charge.
I'm not saying we shouldn't add some regular features to the game, but it needs to stand out at its core. How the player progresses, what they do on a daily basis, and how they interact with the world and others are what they need to revolutionize. Raids and primals aren't going to cut it and I hope to see more fresh new ideas from Yoshi and team.

Yes... Square has always been known to make great, successful MMOs... I mean, look at how long XI has been struggling to stay alive... they added abyssea which BOMBED the game... great job, there. I think taking input from customers is fine, they just need to use common sense when putting it into consideration. Abyssea was NOT common sense.

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Originally Posted by Kiroh

I c what diz thread did hur.

(Oh, you made a thread to whine about what other people want but you don't and gave it a title opposite of an existing thread. You must be so witty, clever and original.)

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why ty. them some kind words...................... coughwusscough

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Originally Posted by Daku_Naito

Moderation, compromise, it is the way of the world.

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hey look its ghandi ^

devs listen to players, game turns into a WoW copy. look thru all the suggestions. they all come from WoW or WoW copies. i donbt want to play a game that has WoW elements. rested xp already gave me a punch to the gut. WoW is a crap game. u like it so much go effin play clowns!!!

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Originally Posted by vageta666

devs listen to players, game turns into a WoW copy. look thru all the suggestions. they all come from WoW or WoW copies. i donbt want to play a game that has WoW elements. rested xp already gave me a punch to the gut. WoW is a crap game. u like it so much go effin play clowns!!!

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Well it's not like every suggestion is a WoW mimic. If anything, my recommendations stem from XI and general Dragon Quest shenanigans.

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Originally Posted by vageta666

hey look its ghandi ^

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Psh. You say that like it's a bad thing.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Well it's not like every suggestion is a WoW mimic. If anything, my recommendations stem from XI and general Dragon Quest shenanigans.

Psh. You say that like it's a bad thing.

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let it be its own!!!! what part of that do yall not understand!!!!!

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Originally Posted by vageta666

i respect ur thoughts but with all do respect, yoshida shouldnt have to take feedback from players. now maybe if tanaka were still producer then ya he should take players suggestion. but this is yohi p man! hes doing an absolutly amazing job. when he writes in the letters and in his interviews he paints a beautiful picture and its from his own mind, not the players.

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Constructive criticism is perfectly fine, as it will ultimately help improve weaker aspects of the game. I suspect you are referring to the people who keep posting the same dumbass troll topics over and over again, and those certainly are never constructive.

Wow, Vageta effectively destroyed whatever credibility he may have had with those last few posts.

You're not exactly in a position to be casting judgement on other peoples' ideas, Vageta. At the very least, respect Yoshi enough to know that he can tell the difference between good and bad suggestions when it comes to his vision for the game.

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Originally Posted by Inaaca

Wow, Vageta effectively destroyed whatever credibility he may have had with those last few posts.

You're not exactly in a position to be casting judgement on other peoples' ideas, Vageta. At the very least, respect Yoshi enough to know that he can tell the difference between good and bad suggestions when it comes to his vision for the game.

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and who are u to judge? and what credibility do i need? plus who asked u what u thought of me or anything else? also, im not allowed to defend myself or my views? ur comment is garbage! move on!!

said LIKE A BOSS

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Originally Posted by vageta666

and who are u to judge? and what credibility do i need? plus who asked u what u thought of me or anything else? also, im not allowed to defend myself or my views? ur comment is garbage! move on!!

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Just pointing out that your shallow comments aren't really helping out your case at all.

Considering that you're saying that Yoshi shouldn't listen to anyone on this forum, I take a little offense at that. If you're going to judge everyone else on this forum, don't get bent out of shape when people judge you as well.

Not to mention that you want Yoshi to ignore everyone else's comments, but you want yours to be heard? You're being a little hypocritical, all things considered.

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Originally Posted by vageta666

not to sound like an arse but players are really screwing this game up. with their lil wants and whines about stuff and the devs and yoshida trying to please these whiners is really messing up the game. Yoshi P has an awsome understanding of mmos and how they should play and evolve. just let the devs and yoshi do their magic people!!! FOR GOD SAKES MAN!!! its not fun when u know whats comming because suggestions are all over the forum and they usually are lame and have no real significance to the game. NUFF SAID!!

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They don't have to take player's suggestions. derp

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Originally Posted by vageta666

let it be its own!!!! what part of that do yall not understand!!!!!

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Nothing is really its own. I'm not saying directly rip from these assets, just take inspiration from them.
Simply being its own thing dosn't amount to much. That's how XIV was in the first place.

Vaggie if you don't want Yoshi to listen to the community be the example and stop posting.

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Originally Posted by vageta666

not to sound like an arse but players are really screwing this game up. with their lil wants and whines about stuff and the devs and yoshida trying to please these whiners is really messing up the game. Yoshi P has an awsome understanding of mmos and how they should play and evolve. just let the devs and yoshi do their magic people!!! FOR GOD SAKES MAN!!! its not fun when u know whats comming because suggestions are all over the forum and they usually are lame and have no real significance to the game. NUFF SAID!!

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This makes no sense because they aren't reacting and adjusting according to complaints

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Originally Posted by Daku_Naito

So the people in the forums like FFXI, so the devs are listening and doing more FFXI stuff, yet Yoshi-P is imitating WoW? I don't get it. It would be stupid for any developer to not follow some of the good in WoW, it was very popular. I think Yoshi-P has done well, and there isn't any evidence against so.

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WoW is just FFXI with instances and casual gameplay. Both WoW and FFXI are out-dated compared to current generation MMOs like Guild Wars 2 and TERA and Blade and Soul and ArcheAge etc. All the current games are bringing something new to the table in terms of questing, combat, or freedom. Meanwhile, FFXIV is harkening back to the days of WoW and FFXI and will suffer for it.

THere are many games and MMo attempts that didn't take player feedback.. Yet they are no longer around.

There is a balance. You do need to supprot your strongest user base, and decide what concepts are able to be worked in, and what are not. One person may have a vision, and thousands of subscribing customers may not like it. Can't allianate your customer base, or you won't survive in business.

As hyped as GW 2 is, when you have played the beta since the clossed beta, it simply doesn't have that exileratign feeling. THer are issues with it, broken balances, and it will ahve to be worked on for some time even after the upcoming retail release. Hopefull yteh dull enemy animatiosn will be worked on. Rift is more fun to be honest then GW2 and far less buggy. Haven't played enough Tera to care.

I enjoy FFXI and XIV because of the more relistic timings, casting, attacking. Not the a-typical spam spells garabage. OR te AI that seems to be programmed by a 3 year old.

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Originally Posted by kazaran

Can't allianate your customer base, or you won't survive in business.

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The amusing part is, the NA players think they're the user base~

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Originally Posted by Denmo

The amusing part is, the NA players think they're the user base~

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We make up nearly half of their income. We better be considered a big part of the user base.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

We make up nearly half of their income. We better be considered a big part of the user base.

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Ah so you are the minority then, nice to hear you admit it:P

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Originally Posted by bobbygunz

WoW is just FFXI with instances and casual gameplay. Both WoW and FFXI are out-dated compared to current generation MMOs like Guild Wars 2 and TERA and Blade and Soul and ArcheAge etc. All the current games are bringing something new to the table in terms of questing, combat, or freedom. Meanwhile, FFXIV is harkening back to the days of WoW and FFXI and will suffer for it.

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Tera is as old and generic as it gets. Only the battle system is different, everything else is what was present in MMOs from the 90s to now. ALL new MMOs suffer simply for the fact "it's not WoW" or "not a WoW killer" or tries to hard to mimic WoW.

SWTOR and RIFT were the highly anticipated western MMOs..look at how they turned out, MMOs suffer for reasons beyond being "old school" and just because you don't like those, doesn't mean it will suffer.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Tera is as old and generic as it gets. Only the battle system is different, everything else is what was present in MMOs from the 90s to now. ALL new MMOs suffer simply for the fact "it's not WoW" or "not a WoW killer" or tries to hard to mimic WoW.

SWTOR and RIFT were the highly anticipated western MMOs..look at how they turned out, MMOs suffer for reasons beyond being "old school" and just because you don't like those, doesn't mean it will suffer.

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So did SWTOR fail?

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Originally Posted by Hycinthus

So did SWTOR fail?

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It actually is starting to.

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Originally Posted by Thebard

Ah so you are the minority then, nice to hear you admit it:P

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What does that have to do with anything?
If thay only listen to Japan or the English speakers, they loose out on nearly half of their projected income. That would be stupid.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

What does that have to do with anything?
If thay only listen to Japan or the English speakers, they loose out on nearly half of their projected income. That would be stupid.

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Likewise if they listen to NA for their wants, they lose out on what the other playerbase wanted because chances are if one side is for making a character start maxed out and pushed to EG asap (Exampled NA want) and the JP/EU side didn't want that, guess who they'll lose out on?

That's the purpose of striking a balance..or just making the game how the company wants.