Community Feedback for improvement of all existing PvP in 6.1

Could you consider adding a custom party ranked bracket to Crystalline Conflict? Something that would allow us to use Party Finder to assemble a party of players within the same/similar riser rank and que into Crystalline Conflict to be matched only with other custom parties, without chat restriction. A ranked pre-made vs pre-made bracket without team member restriction as Feast had.

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Originally Posted by Sinstrel

Could you consider adding a custom party ranked bracket to Crystalline Conflict? Something that would allow us to use Party Finder to assemble a party of players within the same/similar riser rank and que into Crystalline Conflict to be matched only with other custom parties, without chat restriction. A ranked pre-made vs pre-made bracket without team member restriction as Feast had.

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I think if the mode is popular enough, like waaaaaay more popular than Feast, then they could bring back the Ranked Team seasons. The issue with the team seasons from before is the small amount of groups actually competing made it a long wait between queues, sometimes none at all, and not that fun due to the massive skill gap between what few teams existed.

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Originally Posted by Sinstrel

I'm sure the development team has a direction already planned out. It matters nothing what you think of any of my suggestions. SE will read these posts and decide for themselves what they would like to implement and what they would not like. What actually matters is the suggestions we all write here, so how about adding some of your own instead of daydreaming about the old days?

It would be great if SE had a representation of everyone's suggestions to improve PvP, both new and old players, because so many of us are not satisfied with the status quo. Whether you or I think they are good or bad suggestions is completely irrelevant and a waste of time to read. Let's just continue to provide as much feedback as we can in this time while they can still make some changes during their development. Think about what you do and don't like about the current PvP and write feedback to the development team.

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On the contrary, many of us post here to exchange ideas and to read through various opinions, so kindly do not feel that you are in a position to shut anyone down. We have no idea of how much of what we write ever does get passed on for future patches if you feel that it's not worth your time- fine, that's up to you.

Could the 1 crystal conflict map per day restriction be removed in favor of a random map being drawn on each que?

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Originally Posted by Sinstrel

Could the 1 crystal conflict map per day restriction be removed in favor of a random map being drawn on each que?

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I wonder sometimes when you see stuff like this if it's the old boogeyman, server resources or bad coding.

Personally I think theres a core issue with how PVP is rewarded in this game. Mainly I think there are too many rewards behind PVP, and adding more isn't a good idea.
PVP is already a controversial thing to have in any primarily PvE game, so forcing players who do not want to interact with the PvP systems is going to tank your quality of matches, and if you find you're at a player deficit to actually fill matches without having rewards in PVP I think that speaks a lot about the actual enjoyment of the mode itself.

I really think there should be a way to sidestep PVP entirely in terms of just getting the items locked behind it, that way you're not forcing people into a system they hate just to get a glamour item that was put behind PVP arbitrarily.

Sweet I should have my eyes checked because I just made a post for this reason but here's some that I've seen as well as some of my own
1: 8 man premades be allowed back in Frontline
2: allowing players to choose their grand company for Frontline
3: having crystal conflict either allow premades for ranked or have a team ranked option
4: if crystal conflict doesn't implement premade then bring feast back as a team based PvP
5: if crystal conflict implements premade then bring feast back as a solo 1v1 tournament based style
6: remove experience & tomestones from PvP
7: create a separate roulette for pvp
8: reduce Frontline combatant number lower than 72
9: add more maps to Frontline and rival wings

Also I shared this on revival and pvpasisa discord hopefully that was ok

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Originally Posted by Sinstrel

Could the 1 crystal conflict map per day restriction be removed in favor of a random map being drawn on each que?

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Yeah, I thought it was weird they went with the FL "one map a day" instead of just getting a random map each time you queue. I feel there might be some maps people choose not to queue into(looking at you knock up wind tornadoes), though maybe if they see what maps people avoid they will know where to adjust or fix.

They could also just make the maps unselectable unless in custom party. As long as you solo que, make only the roulette selectable and have it draw from all maps.

No premade queue, not even against other premades? Wtf

One shot kills in ranked pvp. The words escape me

This dev team has an amazing capability to outdo themselves in creating unimaginable levels of trash mechanics and content

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Originally Posted by Pibz

One shot kills in ranked pvp. The words escape me

This dev team has an amazing capability to outdo themselves in creating unimaginable levels of trash mechanics and content

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I've already given up on healing in pvp entirely. I really wanted to like it, I tried. It's just miserable now.

A complete lack of healer basic spammable heals make them irrelevant in PvP. . .

AST for example has 1 heal (2 charges) on a 15s recharge Yes they have double cast but that's ridiculous

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

A complete lack of healer basic spammable heals make them irrelevant in PvP. . .

AST for example has 1 heal (2 charges) on a 15s recharge Yes they have double cast but that's ridiculous

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It's almost if they made the jobs more akin to all being DPS with job flavor than their roles. That was their intent. WHM is insanely strong right now and harder to kill than any other job. Not to mention I have seen healer damage numbers in the millions all day yesterday.

The big piece of feedback I have is simple: let me queue for CC with a friend. Even one. Not in ranked, just in casual. That's all.

Let me queue with my friends (1-5 player party) in CC, thats all I care about

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Originally Posted by Ixon

It's almost if they made the jobs more akin to all being DPS with job flavor than their roles. That was their intent. WHM is insanely strong right now and harder to kill than any other job. Not to mention I have seen healer damage numbers in the millions all day yesterday.

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Just because that was their intent doesn't make it good in practice. God forbid some of us healers actually liked healing.

Healing was a meme before because of infinite healing. If they reverted it the game would just be boring. It's already insanely hard to kill anyone in CC because of WHM and AST healing abilities. Any more would just make the game a constant stalemate until someone randomly dies. The game has plenty of healing and doesn't need any more.

I want to queue with friends like others have said. Other than that my main feedback is related to the quick chat in CC. The sound effects attached to a lot of the messages are very bothersome. The uncomfortable noises with every single one make playing with someone who spams the options obnoxious. There should be an option to at least turn off the sounds, if not turn quick chat off entirely, or the ability to mute a teammate.

New mode if fun, but rework of jobs make some feel weak.
For example, on Bard your ult buff 5% dmg and regeneration to LB.
SAM have 3 charges of dash, RDM have 2 Corps-a-corps, DRG is unseen while executing LB, NIN reset his timers after LB. WAR just smash you into face with stun and as an BRD you have jump back on CD, without any charges.
I think they need to rethink, what they did to some jobs, most likely range psy dps, coz it feel like you wanna just don't play....

Customizable PVP HUD elements would be greatly appreciated. Not being able to move my team list or enemy team list is frustrating. I would also love additional options added to tab targeting such as an option to not target enemies that are out of LoS or enemies that are more that a certain distance away.

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Originally Posted by Smork

Not being able to move my team list or enemy team list is frustrating.

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Isn't this possible? When in CC and in the HUD menu (might also work in the wolves den but then you won't be able to actually see it), click the button that says 'Duty' and it will highlight stuff like the party list.

When the wind starts in Cloud Nine map you can be the only person on the feather spot and still miss it while going through it because of server ticks not registering it :p How random getting the feather feels it is almost better just to use Guard every time instead gamble for it so hopefully they could make it more consistent? (EDIT: Might be going through it when having full LB bar :p )

SMN could use some manner of friend or foe indicator for their Slipstream AoE

Visible barriers plz

Please gives us a death log where we see how long we stayed stunned what killed us and things like that (League of Legends death cam)

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do as a DRK in Frontline. It seems balanced around pulling people in with Salted Earth and hoping for the rare occasion that your team will follow through (most times they don't).

I don't have any ranged options outside of Shadowbringer, which is only 10y. I don't have any actions that stun, so people just walk away from my SE. Most of the time I see myself stalling and waiting for my LB bar to fill up so I can use Eventide. If I dare to jump in with Plunge to use SE I just get stunlocked to death by 7 White Mages, even with Purify.

Not sure why they are not setting role limits in Crystaline conflict, but they really should still be adhering to a specific role mix. It would help hedge things in case there is a balance issue between roles, like tank roles suddenly become way more dominant due to some imbalance so suddenly everyone is queuing in casual as a tank. And yeah, the role skill imbalance is pretty bad. I don't see how they make PvP enjoyable without everyone having some kind of ability that does each of the major required tasks since no one can really "group" for content. If they try for the MOBA type of gameplay, it would just fall flat on it's face due to the extreme differences in party makeup.

Please add new UI elements into Frontline similar to the ones in CC. This there would be nice :
1. nice transparent minimap
2. BIG Scoreboard with clearly readable state of the game
3. timers till the next objectives (maybe, maybe not)

I want devs to stop self inserting themselves into jobs.

There's no reason a Samurai should be tankier than a tank, have more mitigation that a shield healer, have more damage than a black mage on a much shorter cooldown, have such a overloaded move like Chitin and have more CC than someone that needs it like BLM or SMN.

Red Mages hit like a nuclear weapon. I am pretty sure this wasn't tested and it's some Alisaie fan fiction.

I like the mechanic of RDM and NIN, where you have on the fly options to be offensive or defensive. I hope this is also passed on to support jobs like healers. It's very satisfying when you stall because of a decision like that for a good game outcome or get punished for being greedy.

Support jobs like DNC don't feel satisfying, they need to bring a team wide buff if you want to keep them sub-par.

People already rage quitting at first wipe. I hope there's a punish mechanic for this in the future.

Can we talk about some classes needing rework here or is this specifically for the PvP modes?

My main two concerns are:

1. Job Imbalances
2. CC is King / Purify doesn't work

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Job Imbalance
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Classes like WHM and WAR not only define the meta but their kit is objectively better than 90% of their role's counterparts. Not only that but if they're not on your party it's almost guaranteed to be an uphill fight. I play the crap out of SGE (because GNB is an absolute joke in PVP at the moment) but it makes me feel like I'm not even doing enough because despite kardia being on no cooldown I cannot toggle characters fast enough, THEN cast dosis or edosis, and then swap again fast enough when WHM can hit a single button press, dash in, get protect on its allies, and proc an AOE cure.

They need to take a look at kits like GNB and SCH and tweak them for their role. GNB can't even tank if there isn't a tank on the opposing team, and why waste time nerfing healing with SCH if you can just stun them completely every 60s with WHM and nuke them? Combine that with several lackluster kits/LBs and it steers almost anyone trying to be "serious" towards a specific few classes.



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Crowd Control and Purify
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Purify claims it's supposed to be a 5s duration but server is eating that haaaaard. I'm also 90% sure that Silence can't be undone by Purify despite the tooltip saying it can be. Right now the game is pretty much heavily skewed in CC/burst favor so if you can't do that it's pretty much over. That is part of the reason the WHM/WAR meta is so strong. Add in a bard with silence or RDM with silence and bind I believe (black/white shift) and you're not going anywhere.

It doesn't feel like skill to be able to play really well but be ganked because I have no CC but the opponents have a ton, which makes me not want to play half the classes I like as a result.

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All things considered I want team match added so I can actually play with friends and the kits re-balanced/functioning. At the moment I really like PVP but now that I have my armor I don't know if I want to keep playing knowing all of ranked is just "WHM + WAR + SAM/MCH/BRD/NIN" Having fun classes to play in different ways doesn't help/matter if the opposing team can keep you locked down and keep you from being able to do anything for what feels like an eternity.

Please fix Cloud Nine map. It is like 30% chance of getting the feather in air because of the server ticks. I want to fill that LB bar for free and I don't want to skip the maps mechanic with Guard just because its RNG to actually obtain the feather :(

i put mine in a separate thread but in short

- add a way to automatically target lowest HP enemy and/or marked enemies
- add some sort of vfx or sfx to limit breaks (ESPECIALLY zantetsuken)
- give charges to purify
- PLEASE let us queue with friends

Crystalline Conflict seems very well received so far. I think if the gamemode is to continue for a long time, we need to be able to queue with friends. It's an MMO, afterall, and lots of people play specifically for the social aspect. I see why ranked might need to be kept to solo queue (unless another teams queue is added in the future with some improvement/better queue times due to more players), but I'm really enjoying CC. I think that I'll get burnt out if I'm just playing on my own though, because it's seriously addicting. I'm playing so much that I feel bad for not interacting with my friends and FC, and the thing is a lot of them are doing the same thing. I think I'd sacrifice a slightly longer queue time in order to play with my friends. On that note, in ranked, I'd also sacrifice queue times for role queue. I had the experience of facing a team that had 3 healers, a warrior and a dragoon. My team, all squishy DPS, stood no chance. The warrior didn't even die. In casual, I'm okay with some cheese and funny comps. But when I'm playing ranked I like a little more balance. I guess I'd just like to see CC actually continue to be played, supported/expanded on, and I'm worried with the current system people won't want to due to the lack of party queue in casual, and role queue in ranked.

Hello SE, thank you for listening to the feedback we have been requesting over the years regarding improving PvP. I enjoy the new changes and the crystalline conflict game mode a lot. However with how fast paced the new PvP ability changes are, it has become increasingly obvious that the netcode cannot support the changes. There are many examples of using DRG's Sky High limit break ability and dying in mid-air, using Guard but still being hit for 100% damage, using Purify only to be stunned again before the resistance buff kicks in to immune the players from the next stun attack, and many more examples like this.

Could it be possible to update the netcode or the way the servers handle data (I don't know the cause, I am not an engineer) in a way that minimizes this and gives the players a smoother experience?

Fix outright bugs, make Purify work consistently, and tweak class balance. That's really all I'd ask, unless we're in the fantasy dimension where we can request higher tickrate servers.

Honestly, the thing CC makes me miss, the feast, now hear me out, I would like it brought back, but not as it once was, with Crystalline Conflict, it has become abundantly apparent, MOST FFXIV do not do well with objective based PvP, Crystalline Conflict, Frontlines are all objective based PvP, objectives first killing secondary (or in the case of CC 1.5) I have honestly been unable to progress past Bronze Rank 2 because I am always in parties that dont stand on the objective or go after other players, meanwhile the enemy team is just casually escorting the crystal to the goal, and there is only so much I can do when I am on BRD, I think with the new PvP reward system and maybe an alternating seasonal system (i.e. Feast -> Crystalline Conflict -> Feast etc.), the feast can and should make a come back, if players REALLY wanna just go kill people.

There are few things that I would like to see implemented on the current systems:
1.) For Ranked matches if a person DCs or Leaves the game should Pause, and a 1-2 minute count down timers should initiate while they players refill, if a DC'd player does not come back they are removed, and a new player is searched for, if no new players in a minute, both teams are expelled from the duty, no penalty or rewards, if the party does fill, then the players are returned to their starting bases, the crystal returns to the nearest check point or the middle, and the match resumes and maybe if there's less than 30 seconds left on the clock an additional 30 seconds are added, just so that way the nearest team can just go stand on the objective while the timer runs out and win.
2.) This is gonna be mainly from BRD standpoint since that's all I've played in PvP since SB, but overall role balance needs to be addressed. (I am kinda hoping things are severely overtuned right now because this is new, and they want to entice people to play but...) it's absolutely not fun playing BRD right now, because I dont have the oomf other jobs have, and most other jobs can kill me if 2 or more players decide to focus on me, in frontlines this isn't a problem, in CC it's absolutely a problem especially if all melee have things that can basically one shot me on impact not to mention their LBs are basically one shots as well, on top of that BRD's LB builds way too slow for CC, I can get one MAYBE two off if the match goes into over time. Wanderer's is also just kind of annoying to work with on controller, maybe if it provided a group wide esuna or status shield that would be easier to work with

Also to kinda go against other people in here, if the option for queueing with friends is made available, please either make it a team only mode OR keep it to casual for Crystalline Conflict

I do want to iterate as well there are a reason things like queueing for pre-mades as well as frontline freelancer are things
For pre-mades it creates disparity because you get the added benefit of coordination, whether in game or through external means, unless you can assure that ALL the other 64 other players are in pre-mades it creates such a severe imbalance, that makes it unfun for other teams. (Heck I am even of the mind now that they should just do away with pre-mades altogether in Frontlines and Rival wings)
As for freelancer it was forced implemented because people would legit swap Grand Companies to get wins, back in Stormblood on aether there was a HUGE thing that "if you wanted to win, you had to join the Maelstrom because all other teams would just lose" it became self-fulfilling, and made PvPing on Adder or Flames feel really defeating (and I am sorry but who you choose for a GC should not be influenced by PvP)

If everything was fair and just, I would totally be down for adding these back, but they aren't and we as players proved we can't handle them and that they were just unfair, so that's why they were taken away from us.

I'm not sure if it has been said anywhere else. But spells saved by Double Cast get removed when using Guard/Recuperate/Sprint on Astro. It would be nice if these abilities did not remove double cast spells.

The most annoying thing for me personally is our good friend server ticks. Nothing more absolutely infuriating then hitting Purify when stunned, but because of server ticks, your recuperates don't go off in time and you get clapped regardless.