Look at the garbage I put myself through to learn my opener.

*squints*
i think someone fooled you into playing bingo. Mini bingo. And i refuse to play bingo on an mmo mouse or even think of performing an opener/rotation on any bingo like format

with the amount of shifts going on im surprised your pc doesn't make that annoying beep sound and post a dialog about sticky keys lol

What bingo? It’s no different than an ability being bound to a key on your keyboard. It’s just bound to your mouse instead and, like a keyboard or controller, you just know exactly what is going to happen when you press a specific button. It’s efficient and entails minimum movement.

As for the use of shift/ctrl/alt or whatever you want, it is pretty much equivalent to someone firing abilities from a keyboard. Personally I put the abilities that are used more the most often on the top bar, with the dots and abilities that are used every 60 secs or so and shields as well as movement impairment/interrupts on the last one.

This kind of stuff is partly the reason why I noped the he k out of endgane content. The GNB opener/rotation is like a 40+ button sequence or something.

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What bingo? It’s no different than an ability being bound to a key on your keyboard. It’s just bound to your mouse instead and, like a keyboard or controller, you just know exactly what is going to happen when you press a specific button. It’s efficient and entails minimum movement.

As for the use of shift/ctrl/alt or whatever you want, it is pretty much equivalent to someone firing abilities from a keyboard. Personally I put the abilities that are used more the most often on the top bar, with the dots and abilities that are used every 60 secs or so and shields as well as movement impairment/interrupts on the last one.

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fine, sudoku
sudoku is not minimum movement
1,2,3 is minimum movement

u do u, but the next time i see someone spazzing out in savage, im gonna assume they are doing their rotation on sudoku format

uwaa i can't imagine trying to do the sam opener all with my thumb on my mouse

but some people also just click the icons, so anything works

I find it fascinating how many people are shocked by an actual rotation.


Here's a more visual representation of what he's doing on that bingo card.


https://i.imgur.com/978VOqG.jpg


As for learning the rotation, it really just comes down to repitition.

Practice it again and again and again until it becomes muscle memory, until you only need to glance at your hotbars to figure out where you are in your rotation

Until you don't even need to think about it because your hands do it automatically and you can concentrate entirely on looking at mechanics.

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but some people also just click the icons, so anything works

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Present. I hate it but for me it's too many skills to use keybinds for, plus old MMO player habit, so eh. And I know many others who do the same.

To OP, kudos for all the effort. And don't listen to people telling you to use controller or bind differently, whatever works for you is good. Each person's hotbar layot and keybinds tend be very personal and not make sense for someone else, but it's you it needs to work for, not others.

I feel as though if you understand how each ability works (reading the tooltip and thinking logically), you will naturally do your abilities in the "correct" sequence without needing to memorize.

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I find it fascinating how many people are shocked by an actual rotation.


Here's a more visual representation of what he's doing on that bingo card.


https://i.imgur.com/978VOqG.jpg


As for learning the rotation, it really just comes down to repitition.

Practice it again and again and again until it becomes muscle memory, until you only need to glance at your hotbars to figure out where you are in your rotation

Until you don't even need to think about it because your hands do it automatically and you can concentrate entirely on looking at mechanics.

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See, THIS is what I like. Maybe it's because I'm not really a numbers guy, so the OP's picture was overwhelming. But to me, this would be much easier to digest and put into practice, even with a gaming mouse. Anything more is just unnecessary in my opinion. They are free to do as they wish, but I can't help but feel that they are putting in the work for something more complicated than it needs to be.

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Listen, I don't know if this is the best way for me to learn and memorize an opener, but It's working for me so far. I just wanted to share with you guys a little bit of the madness that is going on with me, and perhaps hear your own strategy for learning this kind of thing.

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If it works for you, then GREAT!
Everyone learns differently so no matter how silly you or other people think of the diagrams, as long it serves the purpose TO YOU then all is good.

Not sure why you need to build out a diagram. The rotation isn't that complicated, its just long. Go into SSS and just do it over and over again until it becomes muscle memory as you work around your dot. As long as you pay attention to your dot timer you're golden on keeping in line between your 2 minute and 1 minute rotations.

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I never could get used to that many mouse buttons. But best of luck to you.

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Personally I can't play any MMO without one. I bought my razer naga back in 2012 and it took me a bit to get used to it, but it makes keybinding WAY easier. I'll never play an MMO without one.

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I spent last night listening to a guy on youtube explain the 90 SAM opener. I had to make notes and then used those notes make a diagram correlating all the abilities he was using with where they are located on my MMO mouse and keyboard.

Then I went into MS Paint and did this. It's actually a work in progress depending on if I have it accurate or not, but it seems to sequence out correctly.

https://i.imgur.com/0p7YgFW.png

Listen, I don't know if this is the best way for me to learn and memorize an opener, but It's working for me so far. I just wanted to share with you guys a little bit of the madness that is going on with me, and perhaps hear your own strategy for learning this kind of thing.

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You poor thing, this reminded me of last year's summonner openening when I studied it, took me 2 whole notebooks ahahaha, I hope you learned.

though I never learn through key pressing but... skills, and then I put them where I feel it makes sense for nice finger dance movement...
it's a skill--and finger dance rotat--wait I play game pad.... well, you get the point! lol but I wonder if your method is .... good for kb/m user...
I should someday attempt this.... complicated manner of learning! (Good luck by the way!)

It's not complicated. They have simplified the info.

I strongly invite all melee and ranged physical dps to just use a controller. Tanks too, get in here. This looks like hand cramps.

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I strongly invite all melee and ranged physical dps to just use a controller. Tanks too, get in here. This looks like hand cramps.

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Hard pass. I used a controller back in HW when my PC died and I had to play on the PS4 for awhile. I hated every minute of it and eventually moved my ps4 to my desk so I could use a KB&M.

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I strongly invite all melee and ranged physical dps to just use a controller. Tanks too, get in here. This looks like hand cramps.

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Hard, hard nope. MMO mouse is where it is, baby!

Keep one hand on shift/ctrl/alt, keep the other on your mouse and use your thumb for hand movement and youre good to go!

Looks like you're making things more complicated than they need to be.

Practice the opener on the dummy, sleep on it, build muscle memory. It's not that complex.

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I strongly invite all melee and ranged physical dps to just use a controller. Tanks too, get in here. This looks like hand cramps.

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i'd uninstall before i go back to controller. absolutely abhorrent way to play XIV.

MMO mouse is an objectively superior way of playing.

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Looks like you're making things more complicated than they need to be.

Practice the opener on the dummy, sleep on it, build muscle memory. It's not that complex.

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This isn't that complex, though. He's just mapping everything that's on his screen onto the mouse and giving himself a visual aide - he is LITERALLY practicing muscle memory.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...18/unknown.png

I can't speak for the people recommending trying a controller, as I've never tried it on this game. I can recommend you invest in a Tartarus or something similar, though, if you really enjoy SAM. Rebind the keys so ctrl1 - ctrl5 are on the top row, the second row is 1 - 5, leave shift and tab alone, and set the rest in order from left to right as 6 through =. Set the thumb button to left ctrl. Now you have hot keys on one hand for 3 full bars: regular bar, shift bar, ctrl bar. You can drop the F keys entirely. You have a joystick, ctrl, and space on your thumb. You almost never have to take your finger off right click. Takes a few hours of getting used to the setup, but your keyboard becomes obsolete other than for typing and opening your inv.

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This isn't that complex, though. He's just mapping everything that's on his screen onto the mouse and giving himself a visual aide - he is LITERALLY practicing muscle memory.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...18/unknown.png

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Meawhile there's me looking at it.

https://media.giphy.com/media/WRQBXS...ktnw/giphy.gif

But I'm used to playing with a controller as far as FF XIV goes. Different things work for different people though and that's okay. When I play WoW or Warframe I'm programmed to use a keyboard though, not that WoW gives people much of a choice (officially). I'd probably opt for keyboard use even of controller compatibility was made a thing for WoW. I also use the default UI in WoW with very few addons attached which is considered a sin by many. Simple yet effective is how I like it.

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Meawhile there's me looking at it.

https://media.giphy.com/media/WRQBXS...ktnw/giphy.gif

But I'm used to playing with a controller as far as FF XIV goes. Different things work for different people though and that's okay. When I play WoW or Warframe I'm programmed to use a keyboard though. I also use the default UI in WoW with very few addons attached which is considered a sin by many. Simple yet effective is how I like it.

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Controller is a whole other layer of mess when you start optimizing a hotbar for freedom of movement and comfortable rotation. It can take me a month to set up an unfamiliar job, considering how controller lives or dies by muscle memory.