please balance seals per hour

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Originally Posted by Eagleheart

A good point. Doing Toto-rak solo would actually be slower, due to more backtracking. o.O I should have thought of that.

So the would-be exploit is actually more inefficient than simply duoing as normal. o.o Which brings us back to the OP topic - seal leves and caravans need some tweaking of the upward variety.

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I wouldn't mind caravans base reward if the bonus tiers were higher so that a perfect run could get 500-700. that would put caravan at 2-2.8k an hour if your doing flawless runs.

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Originally Posted by Eagleheart

I concur that some adjustment would be a good idea. (o.0 ) I just discard the fifteen minute leves that I get, and cycle them until I get a hunt-the-snurble/eyeball leve at Halitali - the longer ones are simply not worth the time involved.

Of course, once I began doing Toto-Rak spam, I never bothered with anything else. o_O Definitely agree with OP that some tweaking is in order.

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Don't bad mouth toto. You can get 10k seals in desmael really fast. But you know why we dont. Because its a pain in the ass all the bitching and whinning for loot. That's why ppl like me got sick and tired of doing parties there. Leave toto alone. We need some peace of mind!

I'm pretty sure Toto speed run is not an exploit... but yes more seals for Canvas missions would be nice

Some tweaking is definitely in order, on all of the things other than Toto-rak. Toto-rak has a good rate of seal acquisition, other things need to be brought up to comparable par with it. The leves and carvans, as others have stated, are hardly worth doing for how many seals you get compared to Toto-rak. The low-level NM items are all well and good but it's 100% up to luck.

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Originally Posted by Noir

Don't bad mouth toto. You can get 10k seals in desmael really fast. But you know why we dont. Because its a pain in the ass all the bitching and whinning for loot. That's why ppl like me got sick and tired of doing parties there. Leave toto alone. We need some peace of mind!

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This is exactly why I do Toto-rak, just me and buddy and we get about 5k an hour with pretty much zero stress and total fairness. It's like "Oh, I got 4 drops from the 5 chests and you only got 1, here let me give one of my drops so you don't feel like you've wasted your time." Way less stress than with Dzemael.

toto solo = 24 minutes, duo = 15 minutes and less greens dropping to the ground.
its true 3-4 runs in an hour is 3k seals and 4-5 leves per hour is 500 seals
also gathering mats to turn in at 99 an hour is only 297 seals. very unbalanced.
8 man DH might give 2-4 blue giving 4k seals over 8 people, 500 seals per run average.
so turning in made items, giving 100 average a turn in is where the seals are best gotten. 80 hasty hands an hour, 8000 seals average just have to get the mats

http://xivpads.com/?-Guides&Guide:_N..._Seal_exchange
http://xivpads.com/?-Guides&Guide:Th...ws_of_Toto-Rak
http://xivpads.com/?-Guides&FFXIV_Gr...sions_Missions
Yes please fix so there is an average

ps, CC and AV seal turn in? 2-3k an item?
1.22b? hoping for this
fawking scorpion shields

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Originally Posted by Green_and_a_Half

ps, CC and AV seal turn in? 2-3k an item?
1.22b? hoping for this
fawking scorpion shields

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You can sell CC and AV drops (except DL gear) on the market wards, so no I don't think so.

The toto for seals is grinding in the purest form, something not everyone wants to do. My problem with it is makes it hard to build chocobo escort groups or Darkhold groups for marks. I understand why, it is a far improved investment for you time to seals. Why even bother building a party to get seals when you can just get one other for toto and get more seals? I will not do Toto grinds, every time I try to I end up getting so bored with FF14 that I don't play for a few days. It just burns me out and bores me that much.

I completely agree, balance and/or adjust the seal rates so more options are worth while. More options are always better. Speaking of which, why can't we have group company leves? Guarding that retarded alchemist might be fun if fighting a hoard of monsters with a group.

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Originally Posted by Green_and_a_Half

toto solo = 24 minutes, duo = 15 minutes and less greens dropping to the ground.

http://xivpads.com/?-Guides&Guide:Th...ws_of_Toto-Rak

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Map I made for friends and linkshell.(Click it to enlarge) 2 people running this route can clear full chest run in 12 minutes
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/6751/totorakroute.jpg
Also there seems to be alot of confusion over the kill chest pop conditions. You only need to the kill the 2 bombs at the little star in my map for the kill chest. you can sleepga and run past absolutely everything else. but yeah running this with 2 people you can earn between 2.5k and 3.5k seals in ~45 minutes

Yes please, definitely. I'd love to do leves and chocobo escorts for seals and have a variety of things to do, rather than just running dungeons all the damn time.

Yes SE, give us 25k seal... we want all and now ^^

/sarcasm

For some reason I'm now scared SE will nerf seal rewards for toto-rak... It would definitely balance it! ... but ugh... please bring the other options up to par with toto-rak!

SE always nerfs good things ; ; lol

Hush, don't give them a reason to nerf Toto-Rak seal farming D:

why nerf? 1250- seal for 1 run with 5 chest opened... in Darkhold can farm more seal

Yes for the love of all that's holy please give escorts/company leves an increase.

they need to stop the foreced 15min leves. after you hit the numbers you should be finshed.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

you think alot of these people complaining care?

i bet you a ton of them would think 10k per hour still isnt fast enough

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I'm pretty sure we just don't want to do boring unbalanced leves or dungeons which are half our level in order to increase our rank in the end game faction and buy end game gear
Time consuming and challenging is better than time consuming and simply unenjoyable

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Originally Posted by indira

they need to stop the foreced 15min leves. after you hit the numbers you should be finshed.

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I second this. This would actually help a lot.

Just give me some more options to obtain seals, I don't care if it's faster than Toto-rak or not. I just want something that wont melt my brain like company leves and chocobo escorts.

Hell wouldn't mind Gathering/crafting company leves that give 100 seals instead of exp at the end...

how many way you want guys? Provisioning/expedtionary/supply mission per craft/gather/combat... escort 100-150seal every 15min, leve 100-150 seal and EXP (very good for leveling)

if you want 25k now, gg

I'd like to see them up Caravan seals per hour. That way you'd get some synergy towards getting a hamlets supply rating up to lvl 2 to pop the NM for it's drop.

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Originally Posted by Cthulhu

I'd like to see them up Caravan seals per hour. That way you'd get some synergy towards getting a hamlets supply rating up to lvl 2 to pop the NM for it's drop.

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Not to mention people would start doing them... I don't know if it's because I'm an Adder or what but I never manage to find a party for caravans... ._.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

I see. I haven't done totorak to exploit it for seals. I heard you get a lot but didn't think it was 3k/hr. (Yes I think that separating from the party so you can get all the drops is an exploit, because it's clearly not an intended mechanic.)

That being said, I think they should increase the amount you can get via leves and choco escort and fix the totorak exploit.

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I duo Toto-Rak with another level 50 friend and all we do is pop the 6 chests, kill the required mobs and take down the top boss to get the 5 boss chests to pop, then divide the loot. In what universe is that exploiting? The whole reason SE added the trade in loot from the dungeons was to get people running them again, this is what they wanted us to do, in no way is it exploiting.

btw we've got this down to 15min a run and we can usually get around 4k seals per hour. We actually do two runs, one person takes all the drops then the other on the next run, trade them in then rinse repeat.

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Originally Posted by Galliano

I duo Toto-Rak with another level 50 friend and all we do is pop the 6 chests, kill the required mobs and take down the top boss to get the 5 boss chests to pop, then divide the loot. In what universe is that exploiting? The whole reason SE added the trade in loot from the dungeons was to get people running them again, this is what they wanted us to do, in no way is it exploiting.

btw we've got this down to 15min a run and we can usually get around 4k seals per hour. We actually do two runs, one person takes all the drops then the other on the next run, trade them in then rinse repeat.

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you should read what I wrote. I never said duoing totorak was an exploit. ever.

I'm afraid this thread is going to make them put a level cap on toto...

The issue with company seals is actually the one I am most annoyed about in the game. Bringing in an item we will need costing 25000 seals in a addition to all the recent GC gear we may want with the current methods of obtaining seals is terrible.
A system whereby the best way of getting seals is to spam an old dungeon meant for level 25 characters shows a shameful lack of imagination and laziness on the part of the development team. This is the first time I have felt let down by them, it is an unimaginative,blatant and unwelcome time sink that cheapens the game.

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Originally Posted by Majidah

I'm afraid this thread is going to make them put a level cap on toto...

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that would be like SE to ruin a good thing to make it awful like everything else.

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Originally Posted by Majidah

I'm afraid this thread is going to make them put a level cap on toto...

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a level sync would actually be awesome imo

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

Yes there is an exploit. I'm not talking about a speed run. The exploit is that you get into a group to enter totorak, and everyone leaves the group allowing a single person to run around in the dungeon and get all the drops. You can't enter the dungeon solo, the exploit lies in the fact that these folks are completing the dungeon solo which shouldn't be allowed based on the entrance criteria.

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are people really up in arms about this lol its pretty difficult to get a speed run solo but really who cares you can duo it and get about the same seals per hour. If you are so worried about someone doubling up to get in and then solo then we should push to allow totorak to be a soloable dungeon.

I swear people QQ about the most stupid things.

I agree that company leves need to be redesigned and they should allow you to choose which ones you want to do.

The ones where you /poke a monster, I could do them all day.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

I agree that company leves need to be redesigned and they should allow you to choose which ones you want to do.

The ones where you /poke a monster, I could do them all day.

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Yea, they are a bit more clever then the other leves. Would love to see some imperial stuff in some new leves.killing mech is so much funner then killing ants.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

Totorok is a really good way to make seals, that being said it makes everything else a waste of time. Leves being the biggest joke of coarse.

increase seals for leves
allow us to choose what leve we want
increase seals for caravan
increase drop rate in dark hold
also allow solo entry into totorok

as is now, i wouldn't mind doing GC leves solo if receiving 100 seals for 15 mins of my life wasn't such an insult to my humanity.

Please SE, make the adjustments.

i think 2k an hour should be what you aim for when considering balance, but thats my opinion.


EDIT: wanted to add this about leves
If i had to guess, id say leves are the easiest "content" to create in this game, or any game for that matter. Why we have 3 leves for a lvl 40+ camp is beyond me. It seemed like when SE added the no time limit leve they had plans to expand the system, now it just seems half done and abandoned. Please introduce more leves with a selectable leve UI and tiered reward for ranks.

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As to your post concerning the rewards for GC Seal I concur with everything you said. As it is the current set up is a waste of either your time or your leve allotments. Toto-Rak is my exclusive source of company seals.

As to your edited comments this is something players have been screaming about since release. The Leve system was Tanaka's idea for the main advancement content and has never been fully embraced by Yoshida. Except for updating the synths for the current list of quests to replace deleted synths the Dev team has chosen to totally ignore the Local Leve system. If it wasn't for the support for the Local Leve system expressed by the current player base I am sure that the current system would have been abolished by the time Ver 2.0 arrived. So don't get your hopes up.

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Originally Posted by Rizon

As to your post concerning the rewards for GC Seal I concur with everything you said. As it is the current set up is a waste of either your time or your leve allotments. Toto-Rak is my exclusive source of company seals.

As to your edited comments this is something players have been screaming about since release. The Leve system was Tanaka's idea for the main advancement content and has never been fully embraced by Yoshida. Except for updating the synths for the current list of quests to replace deleted synths the Dev team has chosen to totally ignore the Local Leve system. If it wasn't for the support for the Local Leve system expressed by the current player base I am sure that the current system would have been abolished by the time Ver 2.0 arrived. So don't get your hopes up.

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i hate the current leve system and hope they do abolish it. However, Id like the to revamp the GC leve system as a better way to solo seals.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

The ones where you /poke a monster, I could do them all day.

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I had a bunch of those in a row last night while leveling lancer. It was a blast.

Then I got stuck defending an npc after that. @_@

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Originally Posted by Goufunaki

I had a bunch of those in a row last night while leveling lancer. It was a blast.

Then I got stuck defending an npc after that. @_@

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if you have something 40+ to level the leves are good xp, and the seals are a nice lil bonus. I solo'd pug from 40-50 mostly on GC leves. I would get about 15000 a leve +or-, which on 15 min leves is 400 seals an hour(plus bonus depending on lvl)

leves should give 150-200 with higher ranking leves giving up to 300-400. Also the npc should give you a choice since most people will just abandon the ones they don't want anyway.

Totally OP. Just today I was about two and a half minutes from completing one and I got a 'FF14 has stopped working'... so I ended up wasting 13 minutes and a leve allowance... for nothing. and even if I had completed it... 40 or 50 seals? what the crap.

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Originally Posted by Goufunaki

I had a bunch of those in a row last night while leveling lancer. It was a blast.

Then I got stuck defending an npc after that. @_@

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just abandon till you get that one

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Originally Posted by Green_and_a_Half

just abandon till you get that one

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pretty much what i do

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

i hate the current leve system and hope they do abolish it. However, Id like the to revamp the GC leve system as a better way to solo seals.

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Personally I would prefer that they take the time to balance the Local Leve system. The alternative is to invest very large amounts of time and Gil for farming or buying the many Mats needed for Grind sessions. And again not all classes have this problem. Bsm, Arm, Gsm and Lwr can easily be leveled from 1 to 50 strictly via Local Leves. I know, I did it.