Please let me skip MSQ

Every time someone says that they skipped the story it hurts my soul, I genuinely feel like it's one of the best stories ever told it just might not seem like it at first early on but Heavensward, Shadowbringers and Endwalker in particular are masterpieces and Stormblood definitely has high points too.

Not saying people '' aren't allowed to skip '', but this is a story based game and if you don't like it then the game probably isn't for you.
Most MMO's aren't story heavy and you'd be better off playing one of those.

They'll never let you but I wished they did. Outside of Heavensward and Shadowbringers which were both very good, the game's story is ok at best. The strength of this game is its gameplay and raid content, and for me its worth tolerating MSQ for.

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Originally Posted by Franny

All my friends play this game and they are already done with MSQ. I have barely started because I don't have a lot of time especially with the long queues. I don't care about the story I just want to have a good time with my friends doing dungeons. But I haven't been able to do that because everything new is locked.
The game is actively preventing me from playing with my friends. I have cried over this.
I want to have a good time when I get home from work and not be stuck running from point A to B for days completely alone because I have to earn the ability to not be alone in a multi-player game.

At this point I regret asking my friends to play this game with me because I isolated myself because I can't keep up anymore.

Please just let me play with my friends. :(

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Get new friends. They can come do the low lvl dungeons with you nothing is stopping them. Apparently they just don't want to cause nothing is in it for them. Everything in this game they can sync down to you on.

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Originally Posted by Franny

I don't want the game to change I just want a skip.

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You DO want the game to change because you deny one of the core ideas of it. We're all required to go through the main story questline. This is the catalyst of everything in the game. Even the stories to unlock optional content are usually related somehow to the main story questline. That's why it's required to unlock them. They give the option to skip cutscenes and dialogue so we can engage with the story to the amount that we want, but we all have to engage with it in some manner, at least for the current content. It would change the structure at a base level if they just let you skip the main story questline entirely. This is not an MMO where the highest of the high stuff is the only important thing and that's why many of us play it.

I will ask a genuine question for everyone who insists that "Story is the main focus and you are obliged to do it". What is the point? Is that some kind of "eat your vegetables before dessert" approach? No matter if you consider those "vegetables" the most delicious gourmet cuisine ever made, why force them on someone who has no interest in the story? Will the game benefit or you feel happier if someone like the OP spends several evenings just going between NPCs and pressing ESC twice to skip the cutscenes before they can do something they are interested in? Because let's be honest, MSQ is nothing but a series of cutscenes (with less than half of them voiced) intermingled with A to B fetch tasks.

And no, MSQ really isn't a social activity you can do with friends. Not if you don't care about the story. They can help you unsync an occasional mandatory dungeon but in the end this is likely not what you or them want to do. If someone just wants to do the latest dungeon/raid/whatever, is offering them a skip that includes the latest expansion on the mogstation really such a problem?

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Originally Posted by Azuri

If someone just wants to do the latest dungeon/raid/whatever, is offering them a skip that includes the latest expansion on the mogstation really such a problem?

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Generally the latest dungeon/raid will incorporate the mechanics that have been "taught" over the past expansions instances. Sometimes these are old mechanics brought back into use, sometimes they're new (in the sense FFXIV hasn't had them) concepts and markers (Like the tankstack marker).

People who skip straight into endgame are more likely to be a detriment to everyone elses experience. Not that these people don't exist now, but it's a barrier of sorts at least. These people don't know their job very well, don't perform their role beyond surface combos and in the case of a healer like OP have frequent responsibilities that if failed result in wipes or extra stress being heaped on others.

While I'm not entirely against someone being able to jump straight into endgame with their friends, it's also a consideration that they aren't usually ONLY going to be playing with their friends and they should have at least some understanding of the game itself before joining those who would like smooth runs and have worked to expand their skills and knowledge to contribute as such.

FFXIV being a theme park MMO people are of course welcome to enjoy the parts of it they want to and avoid the rest, but avoiding 99% of it is a bit extreme. "Endgame" currently being 2 dungeons and 4 raid instances that amount to about maybe an hour or two of content at best.

Wait, I just realized OP is level 80. I'm not trying to be rude but...really? Your friends can't help you through 10 levels? When OP said they were crying I thought it was because they were back in ARR or something and all their friends were max level. But they are freaking level 80???

So, they've played through ARR and three other expansions and are now crying about not being able to play with their friends at max level because of the story? Um...you know what? Nevermind.

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Originally Posted by Azuri

I will ask a genuine question for everyone who insists that "Story is the main focus and you are obliged to do it". What is the point? Is that some kind of "eat your vegetables before dessert" approach? No matter if you consider those "vegetables" the most delicious gourmet cuisine ever made, why force them on someone who has no interest in the story? Will the game benefit or you feel happier if someone like the OP spends several evenings just going between NPCs and pressing ESC twice to skip the cutscenes before they can do something they are interested in? Because let's be honest, MSQ is nothing but a series of cutscenes (with less than half of them voiced) intermingled with A to B fetch tasks.

And no, MSQ really isn't a social activity you can do with friends. Not if you don't care about the story. They can help you unsync an occasional mandatory dungeon but in the end this is likely not what you or them want to do. If someone just wants to do the latest dungeon/raid/whatever, is offering them a skip that includes the latest expansion on the mogstation really such a problem?

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Because it's about game design. You have to look at the game you've chosen to play. For example, when I played WoW or some FPS game or looter shooter, I'm not playing for the story. I'm playing to kill stuff and get loot. And that's pretty much it. When I played Overwatch I didn't care about the story at all. I know one was there, but the story of Overwatch wasn't why I played it. I played to PvP.

In FFXIV or LOTRO or SWTOR, story is what matters most. So when I want to get immersed in the story, those are the games I play. Endgame and loot is not the reason I play FFXIV. I play for the lore and the characters.

If all you really care about is dungeons and the like and aren't really into story, then FFXIV may legitimately not be the game for you.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Generally the latest dungeon/raid will incorporate the mechanics that have been "taught" over the past expansions instances. Sometimes these are old mechanics brought back into use, sometimes they're new (in the sense FFXIV hasn't had them) concepts and markers (Like the tankstack marker).

People who skip straight into endgame are more likely to be a detriment to everyone elses experience. Not that these people don't exist now, but it's a barrier of sorts at least.

While I'm not entirely against someone being able to jump straight into endgame with their friends, it's also a consideration that they aren't usually ONLY going to be playing with their friends and they should have at least some understanding of the game itself before joining those who would like smooth runs and have worked to expand their skills and knowledge to contribute as such.

FFXIV being a theme park MMO people are of course welcome to enjoy the parts of it they want to and avoid the rest, avoiding 99% of it is a bit extreme. "Endgame" currently being 2 dungeons and 4 raid instances that amount to about maybe an hour or two of content at best.

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I really don't think leveling instances where you can fail every single mechanic, switch to "very easy" and proceed to clear with no sweat (and even stay dead for the entire encounter while the other three players clear it if we are talking about a dungeon) are such a worthwhile learning experience to attach twenty hours of fetch quests with cutscenes to them and make the whole thing mandatory. And honestly, just giving people a "hand out" with all those indicators you can access from help menu would probably be way more convenient and useful.

And there are definitely things beyond dungeons and raids you can do after MSQ. You have entire DoL/DoH gated by it and even something like farming FATEs with friends is more of a social interaction than doing MSQ together.

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Originally Posted by Lium

Wait, I just realized OP is level 80.

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Probably bought skips to 80 but want them to 90. It's not ever going to happen in this game so it's really a mute point.

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Originally Posted by Azuri

I really don't think leveling instances where you can fail every single mechanic, switch to "very easy" and proceed to clear with no sweat (and even stay dead for the entire encounter while the other three players clear it if we are talking about a dungeon) are such a worthwhile learning experience to attach twenty hours of fetch quests with cutscenes to them and make the whole thing mandatory. And honestly, just giving people a "hand out" with all those indicators you can access from help menu would probably be way more convenient and useful.

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People have shown, again and again, they do not read tooltips, let alone the "hints" from the help menu. Dungeons can be cleared by 2 people who know what they're doing, this doesn't mean that they don't give adequate learning opportunities and guidance though. I would rather play with a vet who has done all the dungeons than a fresh person who has read a guide.
We COULD just let people skip everything, but in my opinion this would result in even more people being burdens instead of contributing to endgame instances. Again, this already happens, but at least there is some barrier to it.

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Originally Posted by Azuri

And there are definitely things beyond dungeons and raids you can do after MSQ. You have entire DoL/DoH gated by it and even something like farming FATEs with friends is more of a social interaction than doing MSQ together.

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There are a lot of things you can do after MSQ.. but there are only a few things that are truly gated by finishing all of it. If OP truly just wants to play with friends, they could easily just party up and be ferried around to fates or go grind Zadnor together... or run roulettes. I get there are certain things people want to do, I'm just doubtful the cons are worth the pros of letting people jump straight into it.

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Originally Posted by Franny

I get home from work and not be stuck running from point A to B for days completely alone because I have to earn the ability to not be alone in a multi-player game.

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You must be playing VERY little because you unlock group content in the game very quickly. Additionally with lvl sync any player can do group content with you provided they have it unlocked. If your friends are refusing to do that content with you that's on them, not the game. The game provides the tools for them to play with you. The game does not prevent your friends from playing with you.

You came to a story driven game so...you have to play through the story. You can buy a skip but it only works up to the beginning of the current expansion so whether you buy a skip or not you have story to do. You just get to choose whether to do more or less story.

All mainline series FF games are story driven and FFXIV is part of the mainline series. You can't entirely skip the story content in any of them.

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Originally Posted by Franny

I have cried over this.

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This has genuinely made me doubt the seriousness of your post. Being annoyed? Yea I can believe that.

Unless your friends refusing to play with you made you cry. That I could believe. But crying over needing to play through a story...nope.

Skip cutscenes. You'll be done in 2 days tops.

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Originally Posted by ArkenaeuxBelmont

If you're skipping all cutscenes, the actual running from point A to point B isn't very much. The dungeons/trials are another thing, but your friends can join you for those. EW is VERY cutscene-heavy.

Solo duties can sometimes be a pain, but there's thankfully not that many of them.

SE has never offered a content skip for current MSQ content, the chances of them doing so will be very very small.

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It takes like 10-15 hours to complete the MSQ + complete aether currents.

It's a significant time-sink still if you don't have too much time to play.

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Originally Posted by Azuri

I really don't think leveling instances where you can fail every single mechanic, switch to "very easy" and proceed to clear with no sweat (and even stay dead for the entire encounter while the other three players clear it if we are talking about a dungeon) are such a worthwhile learning experience to attach twenty hours of fetch quests with cutscenes to them and make the whole thing mandatory. And honestly, just giving people a "hand out" with all those indicators you can access from help menu would probably be way more convenient and useful.

And there are definitely things beyond dungeons and raids you can do after MSQ. You have entire DoL/DoH gated by it and even something like farming FATEs with friends is more of a social interaction than doing MSQ together.

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So the fact that the only things MSQ in EW locks out are the Expert Roulette (2 90 dungeons), and the new raid which literally just dropped, is somehow so detrimental that all the other content in the game doesn't matter?

OP can easily play with their maxxed end game friends in:

50/60/70/80 Roulette
Leveling Roulette
Trials Roulette
Main Story Scenario Roulette
Alliance Raids Roulette
Normal Raids Roulette

Not to mention they, as a group, can go around doing Fate farming. The maxxed leveled friends will be getting Aphorisms for queueing for the roulettes at max level, and I haven't met anyone yet who has leveled every single job and has the entire set of 570 Tomestone gear for *everything* so far, so...

To touch upon the "teaching aspects of the game during the level up process"... That's literally what a good video game does. It is not the game's fault that a player refuses to read tooltips, learn mechanics, etc. The same player who just outright refuses to learn, is going to be bad regardless of skipping or not, if a current-content story skip was on the table. So I'll agree with you on that aspect. However, I feel those types of players are a minority. A good chunk of people that I've met and played with during my course of playtime have learned by doing in this game, and seeing mechanics introduced over the course of the leveling experience tends to help them out a lot when they get to the "endgame".

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Originally Posted by Lium

Because it's about game design. You have to look at the game you've chosen to play. For example, when I played WoW or some FPS game or looter shooter, I'm not playing for the story. I'm playing to kill stuff and get loot. And that's pretty much it. When I played Overwatch I didn't care about the story at all. I know one was there, but the story of Overwatch wasn't why I played it. I played to PvP.

In FFXIV or LOTRO or SWTOR, story is what matters most. So when I want to get immersed in the story, those are the games I play. Endgame and loot is not the reason I play FFXIV. I play for the lore and the characters.

If all you really care about is dungeons and the like and aren't really into story, then FFXIV may legitimately not be the game for you.

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And is this really neccessary to gate the game and force everyone to focus on whatever you subjectively prefer? What is the harm in accommodating varied types of players? You don't make arguably the most successful MMO on the market by saying "players who enjoy X are not allowed". OP isn't asking to remove the story and lore. Or even make more content that's not MSQ. They just want a way to skip it. In the same way you are free to skip gear grind and difficult content like extreme/savage/ultimate.

And your argument about other games is not great. I've enjoyed playing Destiny for it's lore. Does that mean that this game wasn't for me? So many people buy the latest Call of Duty or Battlefield just to play the campaign and never touch multiplayer. They often have great fun with it... or are they also playing the wrong game? Big part of Overwatch's success is commonly attributed to it's appeal to wider audience through out of game media. You don't have to be a sweaty FPS player to enjoy Overwatch.

This tribalism and gatekeeping helps no one. OP could have been another paying customer who supports the game and gives SE a reason to keep it going and expanding. But they were basically told to screw off because they do not enjoy the story enough. A bit sad, don't you think?

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Originally Posted by Azuri

I will ask a genuine question for everyone who insists that "Story is the main focus and you are obliged to do it". What is the point? Is that some kind of "eat your vegetables before dessert" approach? No matter if you consider those "vegetables" the most delicious gourmet cuisine ever made, why force them on someone who has no interest in the story? Will the game benefit or you feel happier if someone like the OP spends several evenings just going between NPCs and pressing ESC twice to skip the cutscenes before they can do something they are interested in? Because let's be honest, MSQ is nothing but a series of cutscenes (with less than half of them voiced) intermingled with A to B fetch tasks.

And no, MSQ really isn't a social activity you can do with friends. Not if you don't care about the story. They can help you unsync an occasional mandatory dungeon but in the end this is likely not what you or them want to do. If someone just wants to do the latest dungeon/raid/whatever, is offering them a skip that includes the latest expansion on the mogstation really such a problem?

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It's not skipping the MSQ that is the problem so much as people picking the one Story-focused MMO to play and then complaining that they have to play through said story. There are MMOs better suited for the 'skip to end-game' style of gameplay. If you prefer FFXIV over those, for whatever reason that may be, and choose to stay here, more power to you, but don't come on here and cry about having to play one expansion worth of story in a STORY DRIVEN MMO. I've spent enough time on WoW to know what happens when the developers start catering to the end-game players above all else so yes, it does affect us if skipping the story becomes the norm.

I wIlL nEvEr SeRvE

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Originally Posted by Skiros

It takes like 10-15 hours to complete the MSQ + complete aether currents.

It's a significant time-sink still if you don't have too much time to play.

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10-15 hours is not a lot of content. That's what, a week tops if 2 hours of playtime is done a day? Barely?

That is not exactly a significant time sink.

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Originally Posted by ArkenaeuxBelmont

So the fact that the only things MSQ in EW locks out are the Expert Roulette (2 90 dungeons), and the new raid which literally just dropped, is somehow so detrimental that all the other content in the game doesn't matter?

OP can easily play with their maxxed end game friends in:

50/60/70/80 Roulette
Leveling Roulette
Trials Roulette
Main Story Scenario Roulette
Alliance Raids Roulette
Normal Raids Roulette

Not to mention they, as a group, can go around doing Fate farming. The maxxed leveled friends will be getting Aphorisms for queueing for the roulettes at max level, and I haven't met anyone yet who has leveled every single job and has the entire set of 570 Tomestone gear for *everything* so far, so...

To touch upon the "teaching aspects of the game during the level up process"... That's literally what a good video game does. It is not the game's fault that a player refuses to read tooltips, learn mechanics, etc. The same player who just outright refuses to learn, is going to be bad regardless of skipping or not, if a current-content story skip was on the table. So I'll agree with you on that aspect. However, I feel those types of players are a minority. A good chunk of people that I've met and played with during my course of playtime have learned by doing in this game, and seeing mechanics introduced over the course of the leveling experience tends to help them out a lot when they get to the "endgame".

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You've conveniently ignored two of the most relevant endgame instances the game currently offers - the two extreme fights. In two weeks, entire tier of savage raids will be added to them. If this is the kind of content their friends are focused on, OP is quite literally gated from playing with them.

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Originally Posted by Azuri

And is this really neccessary to gate the game and force everyone to focus on whatever you subjectively prefer? What is the harm in accommodating varied types of players? You don't make arguably the most successful MMO on the market by saying "players who enjoy X are not allowed". OP isn't asking to remove the story and lore. Or even make more content that's not MSQ. They just want a way to skip it. In the same way you are free to skip gear grind and difficult content like extreme/savage/ultimate.

And your argument about other games is not great. I've enjoyed playing Destiny for it's lore. Does that mean that this game wasn't for me? So many people buy the latest Call of Duty or Battlefield just to play the campaign and never touch multiplayer. They often have great fun with it... or are they also playing the wrong game? Big part of Overwatch's success is commonly attributed to it's appeal to wider audience through out of game media. You don't have to be a sweaty FPS player to enjoy Overwatch.

This tribalism and gatekeeping helps no one. OP could have been another paying customer who supports the game and gives SE a reason to keep it going and expanding. But they were basically told to screw off because they do not enjoy the story enough. A bit sad, don't you think?

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You missed my point completely. I'm not saying this game excludes anyone. I'm saying every game has a target audience. The target audience of FFXIV are generally people who like story. As is evidenced by other posts in this thread and really around the internet. I haven't played other FF games but it's clear that every game in the main series focuses on story.

That doesn't mean everyone that plays this game likes the story. It means that's the way the game was designed. The same can be said for those other games I mentioned. Yes, they have stories and some probably enjoy it. But that doesn't mean people who mostly played for the story are the target audience.

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Originally Posted by Azuri

You've conveniently ignored two of the most relevant endgame instances the game currently offers - the two extreme fights. In two weeks, entire tier of savage raids will be added to them. If this is the kind of content their friends are focused on, OP is quite literally gated from playing with them.

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And you're missing the point that, if they play 2 hours a day and skip the 'story' content, they can be at that 'endgame'. 1 hour a day and it's 2 weeks. Still make it in time for that savage. Also will show them the normal mode of those two EX fights so they aren't completely blind going into them.

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Originally Posted by Franny

All my friends play this game and they are already done with MSQ. I have barely started because I don't have a lot of time especially with the long queues. I don't care about the story I just want to have a good time with my friends doing dungeons. But I haven't been able to do that because everything new is locked.
The game is actively preventing me from playing with my friends. I have cried over this.
I want to have a good time when I get home from work and not be stuck running from point A to B for days completely alone because I have to earn the ability to not be alone in a multi-player game.

At this point I regret asking my friends to play this game with me because I isolated myself because I can't keep up anymore.

Please just let me play with my friends. :(

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dont think its the game for you if you cant chill out and play and realize the game aint going anywhere.

No offense OP, but this might not be the game for you.

If you rush to get to 90 to “play with your friends”, what exactly do you plan to do? The only content open right now post MSQ is pandemonium which just launched. You will have a week of content then you’ll just be bored. If your friends are too busy to play with you now, getting 90 isn’t going to make that easier as there is so so so much content available to you at 80 that could be done together.

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Originally Posted by Azuri

You've conveniently ignored two of the most relevant endgame instances the game currently offers - the two extreme fights. In two weeks, entire tier of savage raids will be added to them. If this is the kind of content their friends are focused on, OP is quite literally gated from playing with them.

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Would you want one of your healers in a savage raid to have never played any other instances, especially someone like OP who has difficulty with MSQ story instances?

Yes they may have a full 8 party ready... but this is exactly the kind of person I'd not want in my runs. Adding difficulty because not only is the content hard, they have no context or practiced skill at doing ANY content.

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Originally Posted by Franny

All my friends play this game and they are already done with MSQ. I have barely started because I don't have a lot of time especially with the long queues. I don't care about the story(

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The problem is akin to buying a book and wanting to skip to the inside back cover.

FFXIV is not really an MMO in the same sad pathetic sense that the game format has otherwise evolved to be. It's a JRPG with group content slapped onto the side. Slapped onto there in quality mind you, but it's still not the main game.

In this manner FFXIV stands in a small family alongside Star Wars and Elder Scrolls Online - story is the product, the rest is almost an afterthought. Guild Wars 2 is slowly joining them at that table, but if story is not your thing none of those MMOs will satisfy you. The rest of this game format is likely more to your liking.

If you were to buy Skyrim, load it up, and use every cheat code out there to instant complete the story and max out your level... what would be left would still be MORE of a game than skipping the MSQ here. But if you must insist on starting your viewing of the movie at the ending credits - you can buy a skip...

I imagine that if I went to Avengers: Endgame and stayed in the lobby drinking coffee at the food stand so I didn't "waste my time" and only came in as the credits rolled - seeing only the "end credit scene"... I'd probably leave wondering why anyone liked that movie, and wouldn't bother with much of the MCU after that.

But it's your choice to do if you so want.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Would you want one of your healers in a savage raid to have never played any other instances, especially someone like OP who has difficulty with MSQ story instances?

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I consider myself to be a very patient person and I would not take someone like that into any content above normal mode. This does not mean they will never be good enough for savage. But if a person right now has difficulty with msq solo instances they're not even ready for an easy ex trial never mind savage. I would even say some normal mode bosses would be too much for them.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Would you want one of your healers in a savage raid to have never played any other instances, especially someone like OP who has difficulty with MSQ story instances?

Yes they may have a full 8 party ready... but this is exactly the kind of person I'd not want in my runs. Adding difficulty because not only is the content hard, they have no context or practiced skill at doing ANY content.

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I really don't see how someone completing MSQ will help with it. It is quite literally designed to be as accessible as possible. Someone having "Endwalker" under completed quests doesn't have any correlation with their competence in the game.

It's also worth noting that I'm talking exclusively about MSQ skip. It's an entirely separate item from level skip. I wouldn't advocate for instant-90 item. But the quests themselves? I really don't see the harm.

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Originally Posted by Azuri

I really don't see how someone completing MSQ will help with it. It is quite literally designed to be as accessible as possible. Someone having "Endwalker" under completed quests doesn't have any correlation with their competence in the game.

It's also worth noting that I'm talking exclusively about MSQ skip. It's an entirely separate item from level skip. I wouldn't advocate for instant-90 item. But the quests themselves? I really don't see the harm.

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What's the point of the story skip if a level skip isn't given as well? I'm not in favor of instant-90 and instant-MSQ clearing skips, but being in favor of one without the other doesn't achieve the entire point of what the OP is asking for.

The OP would still be locked out of participating in the end game content their friends are doing, in that case. Leveling the first 90 job without the MSQ would take longer as well, without the armory bonus of subsequent jobs.

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Originally Posted by ArkenaeuxBelmont

And you're missing the point that, if they play 2 hours a day and skip the 'story' content, they can be at that 'endgame'. 1 hour a day and it's 2 weeks. Still make it in time for that savage. Also will show them the normal mode of those two EX fights so they aren't completely blind going into them.

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So really just "eat your vegetables before dessert" mentality.

"Tough cookies, this part you don't enjoy isn't even that long, power through it before you are allowed to have fun."

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Originally Posted by ArkenaeuxBelmont

What's the point of the story skip if a level skip isn't given as well? I'm not in favor of instant-90 and instant-MSQ clearing skips, but being in favor of one without the other doesn't achieve the entire point of what the OP is asking for.

The OP would still be locked out of participating in the end game content their friends are doing, in that case. Leveling the first 90 job without the MSQ would take longer as well, without the armory bonus of subsequent jobs.

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Well, that's exactly how all "Tales of Adventure" items from the optional items store work. If someone wants to grind dungeons/fates/potd/bozja to 90 they are free to do it, I guess.

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Originally Posted by Azuri

So really just "eat your vegetables before dessert" mentality.

"Tough cookies, this part you don't enjoy isn't even that long, power through it before you are allowed to have fun."

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Asking for something that you're not going to get is fine I suppose but seriously they aren't going to cater to this crowd who want instant skips. Check back with us when you see it in patch notes or on Mogstation but this isn't the game you're looking for.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Asking for something that you're not going to get is fine I suppose but seriously they aren't going to cater to this crowd who want instant skips. Check back with us when you see it in patch notes but this isn't the game you're looking for.

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The post isn't about me, as a matter of fact, I personally quite enjoy the story. But the hostility with which the OP was met with seems uncalled for to me.

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Originally Posted by Azuri

So really just "eat your vegetables before dessert" mentality.

"Tough cookies, this part you don't enjoy isn't even that long, power through it before you are allowed to have fun."



Well, that's exactly how all "Tales of Adventure" items from the optional items store work. If someone wants to grind dungeons/fates/potd/bozja to 90 they are free to do it, I guess.

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But the OP doesn't want to do that. They want to be at 90 and MSQ finished, to participate in the end game that their friends are doing.

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Originally Posted by Azuri

I really don't see how someone completing MSQ will help with it. It is quite literally designed to be as accessible as possible. Someone having "Endwalker" under completed quests doesn't have any correlation with their competence in the game.

It's also worth noting that I'm talking exclusively about MSQ skip. It's an entirely separate item from level skip. I wouldn't advocate for instant-90 item. But the quests themselves? I really don't see the harm.

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As I said before, completing MSQ means you went through all the dungeons and trials, at least an attempt will have been made to do instanced group content. You can still fudge these with overgeared people carrying you through but even that is still at least a dip in the pool rather than skipping them entirely.

Someone can level to 90 in a couple days from 80 .. if not 70 (I got reaper to 80 in a day so I could do MSQ during early access), so honestly levels mean less experience wise (not XP points) .

I don't think the actual story quests are important, but ratcheting up through the content is and is probably the only actual gating going on. Story fluff CAN be mostly skipped and is at most like 15-20 hours of required walking/instances. It's a pittance.

If someone COULD skip all the story but still be required to do the group content to get to the end content I would have far less problem with it.. but I'm betting this isn't OP's ask.

If your friends do not take their time to play with you from 80 to 90, I can guarantee to you they will not give time to you when you are 90 and will try to gear up, or learn the raids or extreme trials,... which is what they are probably doing now.

I had similar experience in WoW and I do not have these people as my friends anymore.

There are a lot of things your friends could do to help you level.
e.g.: Enter Bozja with you to quick farm, Enter fates with you to quick farm, enter dungeons with you to quick farm...

Then you can "skip" the cut scenes in the game when they play if you wish to. You can do this by clicking esc and clicking yes. The only thing you must do is the single instances that belong to the MSQ. I really don't think this would take that long, I can genuinely think that with skipping the discussions you can be done in max 2 days and be at "their level".

But you wont have their gear level, you will not have their knowledge on the mechanics and you certainly will still play alone if they are already struggling to help you out ...

I'd just like to throw in a reminder that even if it was possible to buy a 'story skip' (which I still think is a terrible idea), leveling from 80 to 90 is still a rather time consuming endeavor. I've been dungeon spamming to get my AST down that very road and after many hours of doing so, I'm still not 90. So, unless the story skip also came with a lvl 90 boost, OP would still be a long way from catching up with their friends. At least cutscene-skipping through the MSQ gives a pretty nice chunk of XP, because the game was designed to level that way.

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I'd just like to throw in a reminder that even if it was possible to buy a 'story skip' (which I still think is a terrible idea), leveling from 80 to 90 is still a rather time consuming endeavor. I've been dungeon spamming to get my AST down that very road and after many hours of doing so, I'm still not 90. So, unless the story skip also came with a lvl 90 boost, OP would still be a long way from catching up with their friends. At least cutscene-skipping through the MSQ gives a pretty nice chunk of XP, because the game was designed to level that way.

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Cause dungeons are the slowest way to level. Bozja southern front is the fastest as it has an exp boost now and people finish Fates in literal 30 seconds.... I leveled my dancer from 80 to 85 with dungeons and when I entered Bozja it was like my whole world changed :D I was done in less than one instance of bozja.

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Cause dungeons are the slowest way to level. Bozja southern front is the fastest as it has an exp boost now and people finish Fates in literal 30 seconds.... I leveled my dancer from 80 to 85 with dungeons and when I entered Bozja it was like my whole world changed :D I was done in less than one instance of bozja.

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Gonna be straight with you here, I don't even have Bozja unlocked <.< I got here pretty late into ShB, went through the entire story from ARR to current (twice) and then experimented with jobs until Endwalker dropped. I do enjoy dungeon spamming to familiarize myself with my abilities, especially since I'm fairly new at AST (picked it up right before Endwalker dropped). The job suffers from button bloat at the moment so I've had to create some new keybinds to accomodate them and am now practicing using said new keybinds without twisting my fingers into knots, all the while tackling dungeons that still hold a degree of difficulty for me.

It's not the most efficient leveling method, but it's what works for me given the circumstances, especially as a new-ish player. Still, though, I'll keep that in mind for future jobs, so thank you for the tip! <3

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Cause dungeons are the slowest way to level. Bozja southern front is the fastest as it has an exp boost now and people finish Fates in literal 30 seconds.... I leveled my dancer from 80 to 85 with dungeons and when I entered Bozja it was like my whole world changed :D I was done in less than one instance of bozja.

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Is this all of bozja or just the 2nd area? As much as i really dont want to do more fates, if the exp is good i could still go for it.

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Gonna be straight with you here, I don't even have Bozja unlocked <.< I got here pretty late into ShB, went through the entire story from ARR to current (twice) and then experimented with jobs until Endwalker dropped. I do enjoy dungeon spamming to familiarize myself with my abilities, especially since I'm fairly new at AST (picked it up right before Endwalker dropped). The job suffers from button bloat at the moment so I've had to create some new keybinds to accomodate them and am now practicing using said new keybinds without twisting my fingers into knots, all the while tackling dungeons that still hold a degree of difficulty for me.

It's not the most efficient leveling method, but it's what works for me given the circumstances, especially as a new-ish player. Still, though, I'll keep that in mind for future jobs, so thank you for the tip! <3

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Oh, well I would then recommend Fates in any EW zones. Just group up with people to be able to clear them fast. And always eat your food as most food has a 3% exp boost. And the dailies also give extra exp so its recommended to do them. MSQ gives a ton shit of experience for example. i know it also takes a lot of time.

But good news for you, I just read the recent patch notes and it said that 80 to 90 dungeons are now having better exp gain.

I always recommend anyway to unlocking Bozja as it does not only give you exp but while you farm you get things that you later can use or sell on the marketboard. (You esentially get notes, that you can trade for loot boxes, some of the boxes give chocobo clothing, bunch of armor glam, housing items, mounts, minions, etc... there are obviously useless things too, but such is the way of randomized boxes.) And if you do the quests you may also make a relic weapon that is shiney for some classes (for other classes it looks like shite)

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Is this all of bozja or just the 2nd area? As much as i really dont want to do more fates, if the exp is good i could still go for it.

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The southern front (that is not Zadnor) the full southern front (all 3 bases), but you can probably start farming on level one, but that would make it significantly slower.

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Oh, well I would then recommend Fates in any EW zones. Just group up with people to be able to clear them fast. And always eat your food as most food has a 3% exp boost. And the dailies also give extra exp so its recommended to do them. MSQ gives a ton shit of experience for example. i know it also takes a lot of time.

But good news for you, I just read the recent patch notes and it said that 80 to 90 dungeons are now having better exp gain.

I always recommend anyway to unlocking Bozja as it does not only give you exp but while you farm you get things that you later can use or sell on the marketboard. (You esentially get notes, that you can trade for loot boxes, some of the boxes give chocobo clothing, bunch of armor glam, housing items, mounts, minions, etc... there are obviously useless things too, but such is the way of randomized boxes.) And if you do the quests you may also make a relic weapon that is shiney for some classes (for other classes it looks like shite)



The southern front (that is not Zadnor) the full southern front (all 3 bases), but you can probably start farming on level one, but that would make it significantly slower.

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Trust XP isn't bad either with the dungeon XP buff. Typically like 3 dungeon runs per level, I've found. Works pretty well if I feel like ignoring other people or annoyed with Roulettes.

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The southern front (that is not Zadnor) the full southern front (all 3 bases), but you can probably start farming on level one, but that would make it significantly slower.

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Good. Never did the raid so i dont have area 2 unlocked. I'll try it out. Ty.